taylor30

I am writing this because I cannot NICELY respond to many responses on here. I do not expect everyone to suddenly be my friend. In fact only 1 person has taken me up on my offer. I want to write a LONG explanation of what appears to me to be A LOT of reading between lines and accusing me of things I NEVER said. So I will only say I respect your opinions and out of that respect I will not answer posts as I do not wish to be GREATLY insulting or offensive ( as I surely feel like being ). I am very happy for everyone on this site that no one appears to go through the same problems I do. GOD BLESS.

Because I am hoping you might understand what your demands feel like to other people so that you won't judge us for not meeting them. Is it fair for me to ask you to post your city and state? Well, several people have their location listed on their profile, and still others mention from time to time what state or country we live in. My state is public. So what do you have to hide? But you want me to invite you to my home to prove I care. Are you going to ask me to pay for your travel expenses as well to get here? And what would you do should you come here? I don't even have a couch for a guest to sleep on. And besides, I would not let any man other than my Dad or my brother stay over. Yet you demand I invite you over to prove I care? I can understand and appreciate your loneliness - I've suffered the same. But this isn't the way to form friendships, and this isn't the way to find a girlfriend. As I've been trying to tell you, the best way to find Ms. Right is to first be Mr. Right. Consider this, would you want to date a girl who is dishonest and is a nag? Think hard on this, and then look back through your posts here and ask yourself what image you are presenting to any female here, and then ask yourself if a female would be attracted to this image. And I'm not asking you to walk a path I haven't walked myself. WOW. You really read between some lines to give a response like that. As I stated before, I never asked anyone to post anything publicly. Yet you just criticized me for not doing it. I didn't say people HAD to invite me over. I was just curious who was willing to show the self sacrificing love that Jesus demonstrated and commanded. I don't condemn people for not doing EVERYTHING they are commanded by God to do, I just don't like it when people elevate themselves higher than they should. I see a lack of humility on here. NOT trying to be offensive.

I agree with you but that doesn't solve the problem. We must have forgotten that GOD did legislate morality. Anything that wasn't right was sin I am 100% certain that if the Israelites had the technology back then to do it, God certainly would have had something to say on this issue. Murder is a serious sin that deprives someone of life. Organ donation also CAN be a type of murder ( if someone could have used your heart and you refused to give it ). Allow me to use another illustration to get my point across. If I see a child drowning in a pool, I have a RIGHT to simply walk away. There is no law that requires me to help and I would have the RIGHT to do it. I view organ donation as the same thing. To refuse to save a life ( if someone is waiting for a heart or lung) is morally WRONG and I must admit my surprise st hearing Christians defend the RIGHT to do something morally WRONG and sin. I DON'T think God would defend this "supposed" right. DO YOU? If God wouldn't, why are we, AND how does it make God feel that we would defend something he wouldn't.

Not blood, but I do donate plasma. And I do that because it pays $25 each time I do it. As so many on this thread have stated, it is our RIGHT to refuse to do good, even though God says to refuse to do good or exercise that "right" is a sin. People on this thread may not judge those who refuse to do right, but God WILL.

I'm not talking about condemning anyone. I am only saying is it right to allow someone the supposed "right" to refuse someone something that can help someone after thay no longer have need of it. Sort of like a millioniare putting in his will that his cash should be burned though he lives in a small poor town ( as an illustration ). Yes, we have the right to refuse someone something even if it can help them. We have the right to have money and not give it to people in need. Biblically, giving is to be free will, not coerced, not forced, done in secret, where it will be rewarded by the Father. Yes technically we have the "right" to do it. But having the right does not necessarily "make it right" if you see what I mean. I guess I am on my own on this one. I just believe a Moral Obligation to help someone should not be a choice. IMO What is mandatory is righteousness before God which is Loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and body and your neighbor as yourself. The question would be, How does organ donation fit into that? Good question. Once again you bring up selfishness as a possible root cause for someone deciding against donating organs. My question above asks the question, Is what we are deciding to do, with anything, centered around our love for God and others or a self-centered human desire? I am an organ donor. I leave forcing people to do things up to God as that is his department. When man gets involved in forcing people to do things, he is rarely ever just in his efforts. Gary Allow me to answer that with another question. How can refusing to help someone when you have the ability be anything but selfish? OK, I am going to approach this gently, because I know you are hurting right now. You cite selfishness as a reason to not give when we could have. But in your own life right now, you are choosing to stay at home rather than venture out and help others. You could go to church merely for the benefit you could provide to others. You could volunteer your time to people who are also lonely. But you don't, for a variety of reasons. Now... do you think it would be right to FORCE you to give that which you have (time) which could help others? No, it isn't right to force it. God requires free will giving, from the heart, voluntarily. I agree with the point you make. Of course if people have the RIGHT to deny helping someone, then I certainly have the RIGHT to stand by and withhold help front others too right? I can't be judged for exercising my RIGHT any more than those who refuse organ donation. Correct?

I have a question. What defines defending a country? because I only see America going into other countries and occupying them in the name of OUR freedom and defense. I don't see any other countries trying to invade us like we have so many others.

IMO woship is automatic for whatever holds first place in your life, be it God, family, money, etc. Then whatever time you devote to that is worship. IMO

What is mandatory is righteousness before God which is Loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and body and your neighbor as yourself. The question would be, How does organ donation fit into that? Good question. Once again you bring up selfishness as a possible root cause for someone deciding against donating organs. My question above asks the question, Is what we are deciding to do, with anything, centered around our love for God and others or a self-centered human desire? I am an organ donor. I leave forcing people to do things up to God as that is his department. When man gets involved in forcing people to do things, he is rarely ever just in his efforts. Gary Allow me to answer that with another question. How can refusing to help someone when you have the ability be anything but selfish?

I'm not talking about condemning anyone. I am only saying is it right to allow someone the supposed "right" to refuse someone something that can help someone after thay no longer have need of it. Sort of like a millioniare putting in his will that his cash should be burned though he lives in a small poor town ( as an illustration ). Yes, we have the right to refuse someone something even if it can help them. We have the right to have money and not give it to people in need. Biblically, giving is to be free will, not coerced, not forced, done in secret, where it will be rewarded by the Father. Yes technically we have the "right" to do it. But having the right does not necessarily "make it right" if you see what I mean. I guess I am on my own on this one. I just believe a Moral Obligation to help someone should not be a choice. IMO

I'm not talking about condemning anyone. I am only saying is it right to allow someone the supposed "right" to refuse someone something that can help someone after thay no longer have need of it. Sort of like a millioniare putting in his will that his cash should be burned though he lives in a small poor town ( as an illustration ).

I have a question that got me thinking based on a radio commercial that plays about 100 times a day for some odd reason. Should organ donation be mandatory for the good of others? Is it selfish to deny others what you can't keep and they need? My personal opinion of both questions is YES. What do you think?

Why did God create human beings? For his pleasure. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: What makes you think evil was already present when they were created? Genesis chapter 1 says that God created man on day six both male and female and that he gave them the fruit of the trees and the herb of the field to eat. Genesis chapter 2 & 3 speak of the creation of Adam and Eve plus their fall. He gives them the fruit of the trees to eat except one in the morning then upon their fall he gives them the herb of the field to eat. In the end it must be understood that their fall was planned and executed on day 6 of creation. At the close of the day God looked at fallen man and said that everything was 'very good'. All going according to plan. He did not say it was 'perfect'. No. He had a plan to make it perfect and we are about 6000 years into the plan and about to close the age of the gentile church. God has always been in full control. Gary Was the serpent (Satan) evil. Did he exist before Adam and Eve? Satan existed as the Angel Lucifer when Adam and Eve were created. However since Giddy called his creation VERY GOOD evil could nite yet have existed. Therefore Satan sinned and fell sometime AFTER Adam and Eve were created. I understand your logic as to thinking that God would not have declared everything to be 'very good' if evil were present but what then do you do with the information I provided above? I believe evil was present when God made that statement and I have provided scriptural evidence to support that claim. Gary You didn't really mention specific scripture. You only said Genesis 1-3. I think the answer is pretty clear. There is NO sin or fall mentioned until chapter 3. Since Adam and Eve were created in chapter 1, I don't understand your logic. There is NO indication any type of evil or sin existed before chapter 3. Chapter 2 is an expansion of chapter 2, specifically the 6th day of creation. Can you show specific scripture that shows evil already present when Adam and Eve were created? Keep in mind that it is likely Adam and Eve were in the garden for as long as 100 years before Satan tempted Eve and got them kicked out if the garden. How could one acquire the knowledge of good and evil if evil did not exist? God created this tree, and after the fall, said "man has become like us, knowing good AND evil. I'm almost 100% certain that evil existed long before the creation of man. satan is the author of lies, and all disobedience. He pre-dates mankind. Gen 2:9 Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve had already knew of good and Evil, there would be no reason to create a tree of knowledge. If eveil predated man, then you are disagreeing with dozens of scriptures that clearly places the fall with Adam. Satan DID fall before Adam, but THE FALL was with Adam.

Thanks for derailing my thread people.

I am not a hypocrite. I NEVER ask something from someone else I am not willing to give myself. Send me a PM and I will give it to you. I might be considered stupid. I call it trusting God. Just posting your city and state would suffice for now, actually. I told you to send a PM which you haven't done. I NEVER asked anyone to post info publicly. Why are you asking me to.

Thank you. I appreciate your understanding. As far as no one rejecting me, I guess that is a matter of perspective. I had had some MEAN things said to me in some of these posts, but I seem tonne the only one who gets confronted about it. Case in point, earlier today I was accused of not even having any kind of relationship with God. It may be my latest rants that have gotten people's attention, but before that IT WAS my not going to church that people were criticising me about. Its nice to see someone else on here admit they are not pressured or tilted into attending church because others think they should. Thanks for the encouragement.

Neb! Sis! You hang out with a dead guy! Would you mind clarifying what you mean by dead guy? Since you quoted ME, I assume you are referring to me. I would like to know How I am the butt of a joke. Um, enoob quoted Nebula, and if you checked her profile, you would see what he is saying. Actually, it's rather funny and true at the same time! Your right. I saw my name and just didn't realize that. My mistake. Apologies.

Neb! Sis! You hang out with a dead guy! Would you mind clarifying what you mean by dead guy? Since you quoted ME, I assume you are referring to me. I would like to know How I am the butt of a joke.

I am not a hypocrite. I NEVER ask something from someone else I am not willing to give myself. Send me a PM and I will give it to you. I might be considered stupid. I call it trusting God.

I will be proud of MY selfishness as long as its not a sin to want it. I am REALLY tired of repeating myself but I will do it one more time. I want a wife and a few friends. Several people have told me how selfish that is. Well I assume there are many selfish people on this item then, because I'm betting few people have no one. In the book of James it tells us NOT to give advice without actions. It gives the example of telling a starving man to "be full" but doing NOTHING to help him do that. That is what the majority of people here have done. They give advice and don't reach out physically. I gave a challenge to the "Christians" on this site to give me certain personal information. Only 1 person has done so. So talk is cheap as I have finally proven. When put to the test, people will NOT back up their words and beliefs with actions. James also said faith WITHOUT works is dead, and when I look around I see LOTS of professed faith and NO works. You can claim safety is the reason. But what would Jesus do? Jesus would invite me in. He would expect his followers to follow husband example. People love to justify themselves, and I have NO doubt they will continue to do so. Yes I am proud, but the sins of others in their judgement and advice without love and professions without actions is cheap and those sins right now are far outweigh mine. This part is for everyone reading this. It is not my intention to simply keep arguing with all of you. I don't want any if you to feel you need to respond. Don't do it out of obligation. Only respond if you want to, no other reason. I'm sorry this thread is not going the way I had hoped, but I honestly don't think any of you are trying to understand. Many of you HAVE spouses and children and CANNOT understand what insane pain this sort of loneliness can cause. Its like a millionaire trying to comfort a homeless person. MANY of you CANNOT relate to me and that may be why your advice is not well taken. You must walk in my shoes to relate to me.

I'm sorry you Have experienced the same as me. You put it into words far better than I can. I'm glad to meet you and I hope things get better for you. God Bless.

Taylor, are you going out and visiting sick people? Perhaps you should . Or visit widows. Or orphans. Can you go out and practice your religion? Honestly I would love to. Unfortunately I am dealing with my own crisis right now and can't show compassion that I haven't experienced myself. You might find you comfort each other . But let me tell you something I learned painfully when I felt lonely and incredibly sad. 2 Cor 1. We comfort others with the comfort we have received from God. There is a spiritual lesson in this. We must learn how to sit and receive comfort from God. That is not something anyone else can teach you or impart into you. It is about sitting quietly, listening to Him, reading His Word, believing His promises. Only when you have learned to receive that comfort from God can you comfort others. That comfort is available in the here and now for you. So I urge you not to go through this bitter lonliness for no reason. Learn the lesson, learn how to receive His comfort. And then, cry out to the Lord, Lord if I am to be lonely, at least use that lonliness for your kingdom. Focus on the Lord and others above yourself. Because later on, once you've learned to receive His comfort, He can use you to comfort others. But right now, your focus is "me" and ideally we have died to self and live to serve the Lord, esteeming another higher than ourselves. I am sure this will sound selfish but I can't get the comfort I require from God. God may be all powerful but he can't give me a hug or a shoulder to cry on. I need PHYSICAL comfort and God can't give me that. I am HUMAN and we require physical comfort which is why God said is NOT good for man to be alone. Actually, God has provided. In His wisdom, He tells us not to avoid gathering together, as some have become accustomed. The method by which God provides that physical comfort is through His body, the Church. If you choose not to participate in His body in your local community, you are cutting that source of comfort off. Unfortunately, we cannot go to God and demand His comfort, but reject His wisdom that tells us how to receive it. Apparently you haven't been reading all my posts. I DID go to church. I DID try to fellowship. I DID give people a chance. I only stopped those things AFTER I was rejected by my so called spiritual family. Spiritual family is false. I have NEVER seen ANY Christian show as much love and compassion to a stranger as they do to their own family. I would even go on record here and say that NO ONE on this entire site would be willing to give me their address and let me just stop by for a few days. Yet that is EXACTLY what Jesus would do and if anyone TRULY believes the spiritual family of believers is just as important as the blood family, they would be only too happy to do it. In biblical times it was customary to allow a complete stranger to stay with you for 3 days. Such biblical hospitality does NOT exist today, even among the most true Christians. Unless someone on here wants to prove me wrong. Try another one which I am sure others have already suggested. We had 6 new people join us this weekend, all were greeted and made to feel welcomed. Each new member is treated the same, we get to know them, we find out if there are any needs they may have whether its spiritual or physical. Most churches if given the chance will do exactly that, dont go to a big huge church find a small gathering and allow Him to guide you, if you cannot let God into your heart then there is more wrong than you not being able to fit into a church. I know for a fact my pastor and his wife have allowed people to stay at their home when needed, I think you are just making excuses because you dont want to belong to a physical body. We all know how hard it is to find a 'home' find a place where we feel comfortable, most of us here also know how hard it is to put oneself out there to get out of our comfort zones and allow Him to put us where He wants us. Give it another try and if that doesnt work out then try another, find an outreach program that you might be able to work with, when we give we get back, its part of being in a physical body. shalom, Mizz What do you MEAN if I CANNOT let God into my heart? Who do you think YOU ARE? Don't talk to me like that. That is the most disrespectful thing anyone has said to me on here. You Have NO RIGHT to judge me or what kind of relationship I have with Jesus. THAT WAS COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR AND NOT SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED FROM A MODERATOR. PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY OF MY POSTS AGAIN.

Taylor, Well Taylor you have to be 'in the body' within a group of believers for the 'body' to see your needs don't you? How can say a body is supposed to help one another if you are physically with those people to see your needs. You are not 'going to church' here, yes I do believe this a fellowship yet it is also a internet discussion board, here we meet and talk of His word, discuss the various aspects, we can relate to one another over His word. But you need physical contact with believers, I image you will argue till the cows come home but I am here to tell you that you are to physically touch others lives also and we do that when we physically worship and join like minded believers. I can see where some of your problems come from you just dont trust people, and it seems as if you do not trust God either. Hey many christians know I suffer also does that make you any different than me or countless others, how is anyone going to help you unless you trust someone enough to open up and let them know what it is you suffer about? Worthy is not an assembly of believers in the true sense of the Word, I cannot physically go and help Candice or Botz or even you thats why we told to gather, to not forsaking one another. The scriptures also tell us to confess to one another, you might want to do a study on what God says are assemblies instead of what you think it might be. Your whole 'thankfully its not a command' speaks volumes about who you are and where you are in knowing Him. Have you ever once consider your own words? If the body suffers over one and that one will not and join himself to a physical body when he has the choice to do so he is outside of the body. Believe me the body suffers greatly over false teachings, false teachers, apostacy and the like just dont go blaming the body for your troubles because no one is responsible for your sins but yourself, if you dont want help fine but if you really do want someone to help you then you need to reach out to real life people also, get yourself plugged into a church and dont expect those people to fix your problems overnight. I also would recommend a good prayer session with God on your knees crying to Him asking what is His will because Taylor its not all about us to start with its about Him, His glory, His grace, His honor and not all about what people can do for you. Your are wrong in your thinking here, you need a physical body, doesnt have to be big could be a home fellowship, a bible study but you need that in your life. You have to give church a real chance, you have to let people get to know you so they can know how to help you. If you cannot do that then how could you ever be part of the priesthood, the bride in the kingdom? The bride gathers physically and not online so you see it is a physical body also. shalom, mizz People on this site do not like to listen it seems. I keep getting the answer of "just go to church". Forget about the fact that I DID for years. Forget about the fact in my time of need the church looked the other way and refused to help me. Forget about the fact that I reached out to MANY people in friendship, but everyone was too comfortable with their lives and couldn't fit me into their schedule. I would greatly APPRECIATE it if someone on here would give me advice that I HAVEN'T already tried. Please wait giving me the "just go to church " responses. You people can't just tell me to go back to an institution that has hurt and betrayed me. I'm happy all of you have found perfect churches, but I haven't even found a good church. PLEASE keep this in mind when telling me what I should do.

Yes its VERY selfish to want companionship. It has been suggested that CHURCH is the place where we can find companionship. HOWEVER as has been pointed out REPEATEDLY God should be enough. Therefore I would be wrong to do that even in church. Therefore I would like to ask honestly to ANYONE here this question. If GOD is TRULY all we need, how is it NOT selfish for other people to want wives and friends. Did God himself not create the institution if marriage and friendships? How is it selfish for ME to want these things when its not selfish for others? you will see if and when you do get married. you find out how selfish and carnal you are when you do have a child and wife. being single you dont see it. God uses persons to show us things of HIMSELF. a boy has taught me more about god then any sermon and doesnt even know it. you will also learn that christs love for the church is also to be reflected in and by you to your wife. meaning sometimes the wife must come first, and how that is often hard to do as the word teaches marriage is about you get not what you give to each other. marriage is all about loving someone more then you! that is what i mean. So then yes I am selfish and PROUD of it. Thousands of women every day murder their babies and poor people in my then regulate like rabbits and live on welfare. MOST people are selfish. Yes I don't want to be alone. I will do whatever I have to make sure that doesn't happen. You can judge all you want, I will NEVER feel bad or guilty for it. So yes. I am selfish and PROUD of it.

Why did God create human beings? For his pleasure. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: What makes you think evil was already present when they were created? Genesis chapter 1 says that God created man on day six both male and female and that he gave them the fruit of the trees and the herb of the field to eat. Genesis chapter 2 & 3 speak of the creation of Adam and Eve plus their fall. He gives them the fruit of the trees to eat except one in the morning then upon their fall he gives them the herb of the field to eat. In the end it must be understood that their fall was planned and executed on day 6 of creation. At the close of the day God looked at fallen man and said that everything was 'very good'. All going according to plan. He did not say it was 'perfect'. No. He had a plan to make it perfect and we are about 6000 years into the plan and about to close the age of the gentile church. God has always been in full control. Gary Was the serpent (Satan) evil. Did he exist before Adam and Eve? Satan existed as the Angel Lucifer when Adam and Eve were created. However since Giddy called his creation VERY GOOD evil could nite yet have existed. Therefore Satan sinned and fell sometime AFTER Adam and Eve were created. I understand your logic as to thinking that God would not have declared everything to be 'very good' if evil were present but what then do you do with the information I provided above? I believe evil was present when God made that statement and I have provided scriptural evidence to support that claim. Gary You didn't really mention specific scripture. You only said Genesis 1-3. I think the answer is pretty clear. There is NO sin or fall mentioned until chapter 3. Since Adam and Eve were created in chapter 1, I don't understand your logic. There is NO indication any type of evil or sin existed before chapter 3. Chapter 2 is an expansion of chapter 2, specifically the 6th day of creation. Can you show specific scripture that shows evil already present when Adam and Eve were created? Keep in mind that it is likely Adam and Eve were in the garden for as long as 100 years before Satan tempted Eve and got them kicked out if the garden. I have done breakdowns in the past on this particular issue. Chapter 1 is an overview. Because of the specific content of chapter 2 and 3 they must fit within chapter 1 verse 24-30. All the events from chapters 2 & 3 happen before God said everything was very good. Lets start here and see if you can understand what I am showing you. Ask any questions you might have and I will see if I can help answer them. Gary I fully agree that chapter 2 must fit within chapter 1, but what is your basis for saying chapter 3 must. I see no evidence for that. Please tell me how you came to that conclusion.

Yes its VERY selfish to want companionship. It has been suggested that CHURCH is the place where we can find companionship. HOWEVER as has been pointed out REPEATEDLY God should be enough. Therefore I would be wrong to do that even in church. Therefore I would like to ask honestly to ANYONE here this question. If GOD is TRULY all we need, how is it NOT selfish for other people to want wives and friends. Did God himself not create the institution if marriage and friendships? How is it selfish for ME to want these things when its not selfish for others? I searched this whole thread to see where anyone has told you that it is selfish to want a mate, and have found none. It seems you have added the term selfish yourself. Scripture tells us that if one can remain single, it is profitable to the Lord, since the single person can focus on Him. Yet, if they desire to marry, it is not wrong and should seek a mate. God never promised to be a matchmaker, though some would point to various scripture to equate them as being so. All He promises is that you will have what you need if you follow Him and His will for our lives. If its true that no one has said I am selfish, its an honest mistake that I thought someone had said it. I suppose it is the fact that people seem to think I SHOULDN'T be seeking a wife ( which people HAVE said ). Yes scripture says it is profitable for a msn to stay single, but that is 100% voluntary. House are also right that God says its NOT wrong to want a wife. Please don't assume an honest mistake is necessarily intentional. People HAVE insinuated that I should let God be enough for me and seek a wife. I was not pointing any fingers, just observing. If anyone had said that it was wrong to seek a mate, they would of been corrected by more then me, I am sure. Thanks for clarifying. GOD BLESS.