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To me it's about more than the lack of values, It's about the relationship with Christ. I understand you disagree, but the lack of relationship with Christ, the lack of living by GOD's rules, by his standard and what he expects of us, only leads to perversion and death. Things like hatred, murder, theft, envy, unrestrained lust and passion or a lack of self-control if you will, all this stems from our own nature. the only cure is a relationship with christ as Lord and savior. If we don't live by 'those morals" as you put it, then no I don't think someone should raise children. By everything I hold dear, the Father, Yeshua and the Holy Spirit and his word, the thoughts and intents of our hearts are only evil continually apart from GOD and having a relationship with him.

LOL, There are some who claim that they are christians , yet believe and teach there kids things contray to GOD, of whom I would include in what I said. I see your not a believer. I understand you don't believe the things I do. But from my perspective, what GOD says is enough. I wasn't always a believer. So I understand you not holding the same belief. rasing children is one of the most important duties a person can have. i believe it should be done in a way consistant with the word of GOD and Christ.

Let me put this real simple for you. Anyone, and I mean anyone who teaches kids that doing things contray to GOD and The word of GOD is ok, has no bussiness rasing children. Eph 6:4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

It's the same as the title of this thread. if I'm not mistaken ( Please correct me if I'm wrong Bold Believer ) Magog is believed by Bold Believer to be either satan or the spirit of anti-christ, which is at work perverting the minds of people, pulling them away from GOD. Homosexuals who are parents, teach there children by there very behavior that it's ok to disregard what GOD says simply because they lust for it, or desire it. That is just plain wrong. You say "don't say it's sinful", well I can't do that. GOD said it is sinful, I will not back off like a coward what GOD said just because someone else might not like it. If you don't like that it is sinful then your arguement is with GOD not me, not Bold Believer. The enemy has blinded people into thinking that things like the op post is ok, perverting things. Trying to Turn that which is good into evil, and that which is evil into good. Only by seeking Christ and his truth, accepting Christ as savior and Lord of our lives, can any of us hope to escape the snares of the enemy.

It's not just you, It's hypocrisy at it's finest. But I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

I'm not trying to give any credit or glory to the enemy with this post. There are a lot of spoken and unspoken laws or rules that people follow and they don't even have a clue where they come from. For example, the world has for the last few years, has moved to the belief that everything is ok as long as it dosen't hurt anyone else. That there's nothing wrong with living and doing all those things that bring you happiness, no matter what it is, as long as no one gets hurt. This idea is right out of the satanic bible. It was written in the 60's by a man named anton levey. It reads, do what you will is the whole of the law, as long as it hurts no innocent. do whatever you will as long as it leads to personal happiness and gratifcation. the current world belief on how to live is litterally, satanic. This is one of the reasons those of us who know Christ must stand up and be the lights in darkness that Yeshua made us to be. May Yeshua bless and keep you. I was congratulating you for knowing your enemy. BTW, the Satanic bible (LaVey's foolishness) was published only 4 years before (1969) the Humanist Manifesto 2 (1973). One of the tenets of HM2 (Tenet 6, under 'Ethics') reads as follows regarding sexual behavior: Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise, individuals should be permitted to express their sexual proclivities and pursue their lifestyles as they desire. Remarkably like LaVey's statement, is it not? Yes it is, although Lavey stretched it out to include all actions and not just sexual activities. Did you know one of the people he based a lot of his beliefs on, one of his biggest influnces was Aleister Crowley. It just amazes me sometimes how so much of the worlds thinking is influnced by this kind of evil and selfish thinking. Before my repentance and conversion by accepting Yeshua as my Lord and Savior, I did a lot of study into other religons, and ancient beliefs while I was a satanist. two that always had my intrest was ancient eygptian, and ancient babloynian. I haven't heard someone mention Marduk since before my conversion in 2002.

I do agree that espically with pretrip, it seems more like escapism. i understand and actually agree. When I was told what I was by Christ himself, I've always noticed a glaring absence of when. He said in my lifetime, I was 26 when it happened, I could easily live another 50 years. What I was trying to say is that ignoring all of it is just as wrong as focusing on it all the time. There must be balance.

I'm not trying to give any credit or glory to the enemy with this post. There are a lot of spoken and unspoken laws or rules that people follow and they don't even have a clue where they come from. For example, the world has for the last few years, has moved to the belief that everything is ok as long as it dosen't hurt anyone else. That there's nothing wrong with living and doing all those things that bring you happiness, no matter what it is, as long as no one gets hurt. This idea is right out of the satanic bible. It was written in the 60's by a man named anton levey. It reads, do what you will is the whole of the law, as long as it hurts no innocent. do whatever you will as long as it leads to personal happiness and gratifcation. the current world belief on how to live is litterally, satanic. This is one of the reasons those of us who know Christ must stand up and be the lights in darkness that Yeshua made us to be. May Yeshua bless and keep you.

I'm aware. But you have no Biblical support for that. You seriously do not. You can be asleep...awake...comotose...whatever.. I could list personal experiences on here too...maybe even more colorful...but I don't. I don't think they have a place here under anything other than..."What do you make of this"? I would never assume to try to force another to believe that my personal experience trumps Gods revealed word. That, is something I had to learn the hard way and it is a lesson I don't care to repeat No need to continue you disagree. My point is that I just really think it is out of place to believe others should feel the same way you do. I am sure we can all at least agree on what Scripture says. Thanks 2 Cor. 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

i respectfully disagree. A vision is something you have when you are wide awake. I was not awake, I was not asleep, I was dead! big difference

I've read a lot of posts from you that all seem to condemn anyone or anything that dares believe that christ will return, we will meet him in the air and forever be with him. Well, let me tell you what I know. Not what I think, not what I believe, not what another man told me, and not even what I read in the bible, but What i got right out of the mouth of GOD. See, in 2003 I died. Legeally died. For an hour and a half, dead as a door nail. Christ told me right out of his mouth, That I would return to finish the work he gave me, and that he would return for his, in my lifetime, and he would show me how it would happen, so I'd know what to expect. He did, when not long after, I saw ( weather in spirit, or vision only GOD knows) the snatching up of the saints to meet christ in the air! You can speak all the wisdom of man you want, speak your opinion, and all the traditions you've studied and believed for so long. But at the end of the day it comes down to your relationship with Christ. The op is dead on. People are to concerned with this world's nonsense, and there own little lives, to have GOD first. to truly seek him, and sadly most don't see it, because there blinded by there own lusts and pride. Pride, like the scholars of christs day had, that just because they had recieved the approval of man, man's pat on the back that they were educated and by mans standard must know GOD, then they must know him. Lust, because everything has to be about them, there wants, there desires. A man can't serve 2 masters. I'll pray for you, that GOD will open your eyes to the truth, his truth. May the most high bless you.

Job 33:14 For God speaks once, yea twice, yet man perceives it not. Mark 6: 1-6 Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. “Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? 3 Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph,[a] Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him. 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith. Notice a couple things about what is said here in these verses. It says that GOD is speaking but we don't understand. Also When Jesus went to his home town, the first thing he did was try to teach the truth. the wouldn't recieve christ's truth, because they thought they knew him already. By rejecting his truth...his own people mind you.... he could do no mighty works expect heal a few sick folk. So now I ask you, What happened in Jesus home town? You had GOD in the flesh and the healing of a few sick folk. Now, what happens ....in the best of services....., in any church in this country on any given sunday? At most you get the presence of GOD himself and the healing of a few sick folk. What was the reason for this in Jesus home town? lack of faith. but lack of faith in what. In the true doctrine of christ. Before the great miracles was always his truth. Without recieving his truth, not ours, his truth and building that releationship with him can those things happen. Want more proof? Then I direct you to the man of GOD named Smith wigglesworth. Haven't heard of him? look him up. Great testamony and was a powerful witness for christ before he went to be with the Lord, I believe in 1947. I hope this helps you. GOD bless you all

GOD is not being glorified, the children of GOD are not being edified. I request that you do as you have proposed and lock this thread. I ask that you not delete it. two reasons why. First, someone might come through and by reading this not make the mistakes of how they speak that I have made. 2nd, I've gotten pm's about how this has helped, encouraged others, and was used by GOD for comfirmation, therefore, the most high might use it as such again in the future. Regardless of your decsion, thank you for your time OneLight, and may GOD bless and keep you.

I just found it about a year ago. Someone told me about it. Have you gotten all the updates for it? you can get a few from the website. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. GOD bless

I have never posted that I am a prohet. I have never said that I am a Prophet. Having dreams and visions doesn't make someone a prophet. Posting in a prophecy fourm, doesn't make someone a Prophet. With the gift of prophecy as one of the gifts of the spirit, for the Holy Spirit can decide to use any gift through any believer, so even speaking prophecy doesn't make someone a prophet. Only GOD can make someone a prophet.

There is a bible program I use. It's downloadable to your computer. It's called Interliner Scripture Analizer, or ISA. You can find it at scripture4all.org The program comes with a kjv bible. it gives you the orignal heberew and greek. as well as the literal translation and the english. It has a strong's concordance with it as well. I use it most to find the orginal greek/heberew words, then I open something like google and start researching the word or words. It's easy to use this program to search. It makes learning of usage of words, feminie/masculine and all the little neuiances of greek a lot easier to learn. I don't have a great formal education. but Like you said I don't mind donig the work. Using this bible program, has really opened scripture up to me. I hope this helps. GOD bless

Thank you for sharing Fez, that was a blessing to read. What a great reminder.

I'm sorry but I maybe slow. It still comes across, (to me anyway) as if someone doesn't agree with you, then they are not seeking God or in someway because they are hesitant to accept your revelation, dream, vision. Are not seeking God. I thought that if we have accepted Christ as our saviour then we have, "Seeked", for Him and have found Him. It goes without saying that our daily quest is to remain constantly focused on Him. Yet I ask, " Do we need to seek that which we have found?" I don't wish you to think that I'm being picky, just not really understanding. I'm sure what you have posted till now and I have watched the topic and read all the posts; you believe to be the truth. Love Nigel. I don't mean it that way. I was just trying to say that bible is clear. All of us, me included, if we are not careful, will try to reason things out in our fleshly minds. The bible says in 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Then paul said in 1 Cor. 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. He is saying this to believers. to the church there in corinth. I myself have done some things here in all these posts that were fleshly, carnal. For that I'm sorry. I was just trying to state a biblical standard. that all things of GOD are to be taken before GOD. Have you done that, I don't know. Frankly it's none of my buisness. It's between every believer and GOD. It was just a reminder. Just as I have taken everything people are saying to GOD, and HE is taking these words, which I thought were criticism and attacks, and taught me that there not criticism and attacks but him refining the way I present things, as well as many other corrections, that clearly I needed. If someone doesn't agree with me, then so what. It don't mean they don't know GOD, or they don't have a releationship with him or anything else like that. It means we don't agree. As long as Christ is your savior and mine, we are ok. GOD will work everything to his glory. I hope this clarifies for you what my intention was. That all of us as you said need to keep him as our focus. I've learned much from this, one important thing I learned was everything must point to christ and be spoken in love. many tried to tell me, but i wouldn't listen. If someone desn't agree with me, then maybe I'm the one in a carnal mind, unable to understand. the sulotion is simple, christ. which is what I was trying to say. If we don't agree thats fine. no hard feelings, let's keep christ as the focus and let him teach us everything he chooses to by submitting to him and speaking to each other in love. May GOD bless you

I know this is from GOD. I posted it because he told me to. So his people would know something was coming. I too have been praying and seeking GOD over this. Maybe I could have presented it another way, a better way. I have had people tell me in pm's how much they appreciate me posting this. Hesitant to do it here, because in there words "the open attacks". If you don't believe it was from GOD thats fine. I'm not going to try to convince you or anyone else. But your right about one thing, I have been thanking those who post postive and not others. I should have been thanking everyone. Because we are the body of christ. Each part has a role to play. The critiscism has helpped me learn to be more specific, more patient and speak in a way that even in disagreement will atleast, by GOD's grace let us all be drawn closer to christ. Such as many of your questions have done. pointed out the flaws in the way this was presented. I'm not foolish, I understand even presented in the best manner, not all are going to accept. I asked people to pray because I don't want people to take my word for it. We are not suppose to just think it out in our fleshly minds and then refuse to move from that position. Instead we are suppose to take all things before GOD. For his words are spiritual first and are not easliy understood by the carnel mind. I'm not saying that if people don't agree with me, then they have a carnel mind. I'm just saying that only by seeking him can any of us understand him, his will, and his word. Thank you for your posts. especially to those who have disagreed with me. I have been taught a lot by the Lord through this experance. May GOD bless you all

Thank you for your post. It was very encouraging to read. May the Father and Yeshua bless and keep you in his perfect peace.

In the book of revelation, when the seals, trumpets, and bowels are opened and sent forth onto the world. It happens in the spirit. It has spiritual origins. it first takes place in the dwelling place of spirits,(spiritual origin) then manifests in this fleshly world. If that does not help you understand, then I don't know how else to explain it. there are angels and evil spirits. why can't we see them? because there in the spirit or in the spirit realm. where is jesus right now? can you drive a car to him? or fly a plane and reach him? ofcourse not, because he is not in a physical, fleshly place. but a spiritual one.

Is this what you are asking for us to do?

That's not what we are talking about I made a statement in a previous post it was "Everything that manifests in the flesh has a spiritual origin". meaning simply if you read his post and mine. that everything we both were talking about starts, in the spirit. you know where the angels and evil spirits are. in the spirit. the spiritual domian if you will. not a believer being in the spirit.

Okay, and what does THAT mean? If you don't know what the spirit is, or GOD's kingdom being in the spirit, or the devil and his principalities and powers being in the spirit then there is nothing I can say to you. If you wish to learn about the spirit pray, read the bible and seek christ. GOD bless

sevenseas Who's being condescending now. Is your doctrine perfect? Is it without flaw? Are you?You arn't the only one who has been tried and tested. I was too, even unto death. and I got sent back. with purpose after kneeling at Christ very feet. If there is one thing I learned clearly it's not about what we think but what GOD said. All of us need his arm to save us, all of us need him. love shall cover a multitude of sins. how about we try to speak in love for a change.