Bible_Gazer

Well it seem to be if you are trinity or oneness - you cannot allow God to die so he has to go or be somewhere. Since God can't die. So death seem to be about the body anyway since some believe we are going to get our body back from the grave as did God. Just Pondering about this.

Sounds right but what does that have to do with Jesus visiting hell? He died your death which was the Just sentence for your tresspass; Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes an atonement for the soul. Do you suppose that after the Priests in Israel laid hands on a Lamb and slaughtered it sprinkling the Blood that God sent the Lamb to hell to mete out your sentence or was it's life and it's Blood which pointed towards a more perfect sacrifice by faith not sufficient? Do not make Doctrine out of one piece of scripture, it's dangerous! Peace, Dave I don't think Jesus went to a living place when he died. Isaiah seem to make mention the dead don't get any truth when they are dead. What good would it do Jesus to preach to the dead.

18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. Isaiah 38:18 (KJV)

Of course, Jesus' body was dead until He rose again, but He, as all of us who know Him never die spiritually. One day we will all be given new bodies like His! What happened in Matthew 27:52-53 has nothing to do with Jesus revealing Himself as the awaited Messiah to the probably thousands of OT saints who had lived and died believing in their coming Saviour. Jesus purpose was to make a way for us to get a new body ? not eternal life

So Jesus was alive when he died ?????? so he never died ???? so nobody never really dies ??? What was the purpose of the resurrection in Matthew 27:52-53 ???? if Jesus already talked to them in the spirit Hell house.

Could it be it was talking about his body also being in Hell(hades - grave) and God was to bring it back before it got corrupted like Lazarus(4 days) 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27 Since Hell is Hades(grave) in this scripture it seems to mean - dead His soul was the sacrifice and it died. Isa. 53:10

Here is a hint about them and where they come from: Rev. 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. so we can see that they represent the saints of God. We may have to look at the beast as characters of the saints. of a man - from mankind of a lion - strong - Eph. 6:10 of a calf - sacrifice of yourself - Romans 12:1 of a eagle - good visions, rises above the flesh and sets high in heavenly places. Eph. 2

Two wars in Revelation 12 1. the first one must be an earlier time frame. The early church. Plenty of wars going on - spiritually - even among the members. (The Devil is a trouble maker) Paul fought against it. 2. the second one at a latter time v.17. - makes war with the remnant - The Latter rain church (James 5:7) Looks like two separate wars. One is before the woman goes into the wilderness and while she is or came out of the wilderness. Anybody else sees Two wars at different time ?

How can oneness and trinity even argue on this when they both believe in one God Almighty? They just have problem splitting him up into three pieces. They are not one but they are one - its an egg theory thingy - shell, white and yoke all together as one. For sure oneness and trinity are not one. Can both still make it to heaven ?

Hello tb read this

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching Heb 10:24-25 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. Eph 4:15-16 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Eph 2:19-22 1Cor. 12 talks about being part of the Body and not to be separate. Yes I think we need to be part of a church group. I would not join a church if they vote you in . That ain't right. If Jesus except you in his church that is all required, we are sealed by him.

If it was a local flood. Then there would be no more floods on the earth because of the rainbow promise, but they stil happen. So it must be worldwide since it never happened again according to the bible.

Here a thought, those who die under the wrath of God would be eternally judged. ???? Since they would be ungodly Psalms 1 says 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.