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When it comes to the topic of "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH", Shoebat is looking at scripture from a very different viewpoint than Jesus Christ, the Apostle John and several Old Testament prophets. As such, his false teachings in regards to the same ought to be shunned.

I'm sorry to have to be the one to break the news to you, but Walid Shoebat is a liar. Oh, there's no need to take my word for it. No, you can hear and see him lying right here for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzUXuu6Tre8 In one interview, Shoebat claims to have been a Muslim terrorist who threw a bomb into a bank that exploded and in another interview he says that he never threw the bomb. Not only this, but the man has been investigated and a whole bunch of his claims simply don't add up (neither does much of his theology, although he is correct about some things): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJN00dBhZVk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwr8eGTyiM

I'm just wondering why you are so sure of yourself in what you post. I believe you think your opinion is the right one? May I ask where you studied to get all the right answers? Thank you I'll ask you the same question that I just finished asking the other poster: Did you read posts #6, 7 & 8 on this thread? There, I've only just begun to offer irrefutable (unless you believe that you can refute it from scripture) evidence that "the woman" is JERUSALEM and no one else. Anyhow, to answer your question, I studied the Bible, with the help of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth. Let's not make this about "me", okay? I've offered you a bunch of scriptures already. If you believe that you can refute even one of them, from scripture, then please do so. Thank you.

The woman isn't necessarily Jerusalem, but it may be the government under Rome or the Antichrist something like the U.N or the Vatican. God's people are ordered to come out of her. The woman sits on many waters (Revelation 17:1). In prophecy or perhaps among the Israelites, the sea represents the troubled world of the Gentiles. This may imply that the woman or Babylon the great, has total domination over the Gentile world. Something like a world government. A government like the Babylon of Nimrod's time in the book of Genesis. Did you read posts #6, 7 & 8 on this thread? That's just a sample of irrefutable (unless you believe that you can refute the same from scripture) evidence that "the woman" is JERUSALEM and no one else. Again, it's just a sample...I can very easily offer more proof of the same from scripture.

Yes, I want to know and if God didn't want us to know, too, then He wouldn't have included warnings about the same in scripture.

A big mistake that a lot of people make is in conflating the woman who rides atop the beast and the beast. They are not one and the same. Personally, I agree that the beast is Rome, Papal Rome, to be exact, and the woman is Jerusalem.

Speaking of 8's, each letter of the Greek alphabet has a corresponding numerical value attached to it. Well, seeing how the New Testament was written in Greek, what do you suppose the numerical value of Jesus' name is in the Greek? It's 888.

Before you go and before this thread is closed, I hope that you recognize that you were in error in regards to some of the things which you posted in your OP and that you'll adjust your beliefs accordingly.

It's a good thing that you PM'd me, otherwise I wouldn't have found this thread. IOW, when I clicked on your "posts", it didn't come up. It did come up, however, when I clicked under "topics" in your profile.

Actually the sources that make that claim are mistaken. First of all Paul quotes directly from the book of Luke in I Tim. 5:18. He quotes from Luke 10:7. Luke based his Gospel on being able to interview eye witnesses to Jesus' ministry. Precisely. In fact, Paul refers to it as "scripture", so this tells us that Luke's gospel was already in written form at this point in time and that Paul wasn't merely reiterating something which Luke had said to him in their travels together. I Timothy 5:18 "For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward."

Hi, JTC. If we back up just a bit in John chapter 6, then we read: John 6:4 "And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh." Jesus was ever aware of His audience and His surroundings and it is no coincidence that John mentioned how that "the Passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh" before recording Jesus' words about "eating His flesh". IOW, seeing how the Passover pointed to Christ, in type, with Christ being the True Passover Lamb (I Cor. 5:7), Jesus was merely letting His hearers know that they would need to truly partake of Him in order to be saved. He wasn't teaching any sort of cannibalistic doctrine.

Hi. I just saw this and, yes, I did begin to address this in the Shoebat thread. For anybody who is interested in reading the same, here is a link:

Whatever the chant may or may not mean, Jesus has given us authority over demons, so I'd recommend that you focus more on that aspect than on trying to understand what a demon might be saying. IOW, concentrate on getting rid of the demonic presence through the authority of Christ.

The ECF's (early church fathers) had an entirely different understanding in relation to "the number of his name" and, in this case, I agree with them. IOW, they understood that letters of the Greek, Hebrew and Latin alphabets also had numeric values attached to them, so they were looking for someone whose "name" would contain letters which, when added together, equaled 666. One of the more popular beliefs of today in relation to the same, especially amongst SDA's (Seventh Day Adventists), and a position which I currently hold to myself (for many reasons), even though I'm not a SDA, has to do with a question and answer from the April 18, 1915 edition of "Our Sunday Visitor", a Catholic journal. There, we read: For those of you who remember your "Roman numerals", the following values are ascribed to the following letters of the Latin alphabet: I = 1 V = 5 X = 10 L = 50 C = 100 D = 500 Also, in the Latin alphabet, the "U" is actually a "V", so the title or "name" would read as the following: V = 5 I = 1 C = 100 A R I = 1 V = 5 S F I = 1 L = 50 I = 1 I = 1 D = 500 E I = 1 Add the totals together and you get: 112 + 53 + 501 = 666 Anyhow, this aside, there are many Biblical reasons to be looking towards the Vatican for the fulfillment of the antichrist.

Change your opening sentence to read "I've been a believer for about 25 years now" and leave everything else that you said intact and you've basically described my life. If there's something wrong with you, then I caught it about 10 years before you did.