John Bernall

Shalom Cajunboy i was merely reading through the post, and so i thought i would share my Epitaph that i have already written. and i think that this would explain my personal view on the subject: Bring not flowers nor tears, But celebrate with loud praise. For, though, I have spent my years As of such a waste of days, No one is happier than I, So, please, don't cry. Peace and Lovingkindness, Yochanan

Shalom, here's my thoughts: before we were in Egypt, we were called Hebrews ("Iv'rim" in Hebrew). when we left Egypt, we were known as Israelites. For a long time we were called "Israel" as a nation. when there was a division in the kingdom, Northern and Southern kingdoms being Yis'rael (Northern) and Y'hudah (Southern). when the Northen Kingdom (the ten tribes) was taken captive, they were dispersed throughout the nations, but they never were called Jews or Y'hudim, because they were from Yis'rael, not Y'hudah. only those of us who were from the Southern Kingdom of Y'hudah were ever called Jews or Y'hudim. at the time of the Return from Babylon we retained the title of Y'hudim (Jews) because we were returning to our land of Y'hudah. after the fall of Y'rushalayim (Jerusalem) in 70 C.E. we retained, once again, the title Y'hudim (Jews) because we were from the Southern Kingdom of Y'hudah as it was restored after the return from Babylon. and although it was occupied by various groups (greeks, romans, etc), we still held to who we were ~ Y'hudim. as for returning to the name of "Israeli", it is only fitting since the country is called Israel, and not Y'hudah (or Judah), nor is it a Kingdom anymore. though in speaking with one of us individually, we would say we are Jews, because that is our culture which was before there was a state of Israel. as for this perceived seperation. it is a shame. for those who embrace Yeshua/Jesus as their Lord, Saviour, Messiah, have become a part of Israel, they have been grafted in as wild olive branches along with and within the domesticated branches, and they have entered into the common wealth of Israel. they have become a part Israel, as the Prophecy in Jeremiah 31 alludes to. for it begins: "The days come that I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah... and this is the Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel in those days...etc." notice, it mentions both houses, Israel and Judah, but in the final part it mentions only Israel. because in the Messiah, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, but they are all one in one olive tree, some grafted in (Gentiles), some natural (Jews), but they all are Israel in the Messiah. Shalom v'Chesed, Z'ev Yochanan

A most helpful post, and one which I shall treasure. I would, though, appreciate some more enlightenment on the two paragraphs quoted above, when you have the time. Yochanan The need to abstain from things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood is clear, though the last two Christians as a whole seem to ignore, but the extrapolation from this to believe these were only temporary basics from which the law of Moses would later become the norm escapes me. Are you thinking that gentile Christians should eat kosher and obey the law of Moses, or does that only apply in your mind to Jews who have come to believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah? Shalom, sorry for the delay in responding. Acts 15:19-20 - "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood." This Scripture is talking about new, immature, idol worshipping Gentile believers in Messiah who are just turning to God. They expected the Gentiles to catch on to the rest of God

i certainly hope it wasn't tooOOOooo long, after i had posted it, i said, "Oh my, that's alot!" lol the main reason these weren't added to the old testament canon, as far as Judaism is concerned, is that they were written after Malachi's time (i think), who was considered the last prophet to speak for God. everything else was simply considered commentary or expoundings upon ancient texts of the time. however, it SEEMS (and i stress SEEMS) that many of them were considered Holy Writ in the time of Mashi'ach. the Qumran sect, aka the Essense, held many of them in high regard, particularly the Apocalyptic writings and the older works such as the Book of Jubilees, Enoch, the testimony of the 12 patriarchs, the Wisdom Writings like Sirach and Wisdom of Solomon, as well as others. and these were also considered Holy Writ by many, though not all, of the Pharisees. i agree, God will keep his word pure, He says Himself that He holds His Word even above His own Name. i in no way advocate that the various apocryphal writings be considered equal in inspiration and authority as the present canon we now have. but on the other hand, many of them do contain history that is not recorded elsewhere in the Scriptures, such as 1+2 Maccabees. also, many of them tell us of their traditions that they as a people held to in certain periods, which can give us helpful information in study. as a group, i think the various books of the apocrypha have no place in the canon of Holy Writ, but are fine enough to be in their own, seperate book, like any other commentary. Yeah, Hebrews is one of my favourites, next to John's record of the Gospel. actually, their main, first audience were other Jews. as you read through the Book of Acts, Paul would go into the Synagogues first, and as a result of the Word, and their lack of acceptance, he would later end up in home fellowships, and not just in the homes of Gentiles, but also in the homes of Jews, particularly if the leadership did not accept the Mashi'ach. hence, "to the Jew first, and then also the Gentile". in saying this, he wasn't referring to the ministry of Mashi'ach as being "to the Jew first" although that is where He was. he was reflecting on the fact that he would go into the Synagogues of every town first, as was his custom. Acts 17 "1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Synagogue of the Jews. 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying,

Shalom Phil, many blessing be with you from the Living God. in as much as this pertains to the New Testament Apocryphal writings, i stand in agreement. however, as to much, not all, of the Old Testament Apocryphal writings i do not agree. due to the historicity of much of them, though not necessarily inspired by God, they are quoted all over the New Testament, particularly Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, 1+2 Maccabees, and even though it is a parable, a favoured one at the times, and not a literal, true story, Tobit has been quoted 17 or more times in the Gospels alone. the question to be asked is, if these books were so inspired by the Adversary, then why were they quoted or alluded to in the New Testament as well as by the Rabbinical Scholars throughout the centuries since their conception? (i speak of the Old Testament Apocryphal writings). Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua (Peace and Lovingkindness in Yeshua) Z'ev Yochanan here is a list of Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach and 1+2 Maccabees quoted in the New Testament. Matthew 4:4 Wisdom 16:26 Matthew 4:15 1 Maccabees 5:15 Matthew 5:28 Sirach 9:8 Matthew 5:2ss Sirach 25:7-12 Matthew 5:4 Sirach 48:24 Matthew 6:7 Sirach 7:14 Matthew 6:9 Sirach 23:1, 4 Matthew 6:10 1 Maccabees 3:60 Matthew 6:12 Sirach 28:2 Matthew 6:13 Sirach 33:1 Matthew 6:20 Sirach 29:10s Matthew 6:23 Sirach 14:10 Matthew 6:33 Wisdom 7:11 Matthew 7:12 Sirach 31:15 Matthew 7:16 Sirach 27:6 Matthew 9:38 1 Maccabees 12:17 Matthew 10:16 Sirach 13:17 Matthew 11:14 Sirach 48:10 Matthew 11:25 Sirach 51:1 Matthew 11:28 Sirach 24:19 Matthew 11:28 Sirach 51:23 Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:24s Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:28s Matthew 11:29 Sirach 51:26s Matthew 12:4 2 Maccabees 10:3 Matthew 12:5 Sirach 40:15 Matthew 13:44 Sirach 20:30s Matthew 16:18 Wisdom 16:13 Matthew 16:22 1 Maccabees 2:21 Matthew 16:27 Sirach 35:22 Matthew 17:11 Sirach 48:10 Matthew 22:13 Wisdom 17:2 Matthew 24:15 1 Maccabees 1:54 Matthew 24:15 2 Maccabees 8:17 Matthew 24:16 1 Maccabees 2:28 Matthew 25:36 Sirach 7:32-35 Matthew 26:38 Sirach 37:2 Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:13 Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:18-20 Mark 4:5 Sirach 40:15 Mark 4:11 Wisdom 2:22 Mark 6:49 Wisdom 17:15 Mark 8:37 Sirach 26:14 Mark 9:31 Sirach 2:18 Mark 10:18 Sirach 4:1 Mark 14:34 Sirach 37:2 Mark 15:29 Wisdom 2:17s Luke 1:17 Sirach 48:10 Luke 1:52 Sirach 10:14 Luke 6:35 Wisdom 15:1 Luke 7:22 Sirach 48:5 Luke 9:8 Sirach 48:10 Luke 10:19 Sirach 11:19 Luke 10:21 Sirach 51:1 Luke 12:20 Wisdom 15:8 Luke 13:27 1 Maccabees 3:6 Luke 15:12 1 Maccabees 10:29 [30] Luke 18:7 Sirach 35:22 Luke 19:44 Wisdom 3:7 Luke 21:24 Sirach 28:18 Luke 21:25 Wisdom 5:22 Luke 24:4 2 Maccabees 3:26 Luke 24:31 2 Maccabees 3:34 Luke 24:50 Sirach 50:20s Luke 24:53 Sirach 50:22 John 1:3 Wisdom 9:1 John 3:8 Sirach 16:21 John 3:12 Wisdom 9:16 John 3:12 Wisdom 18:15s John 3:28 1 Maccabees 9:39 John 4:9 Sirach 50:25s John 4:48 Wisdom 8:8 John 5:18 Wisdom 2:16 John 6:35 Sirach 24:21 John 7:38 Sirach 24:40, 43[30s] John 8:44 Wisdom 2:24 John 8:53 Sirach 44:19 John 10:20 Wisdom 5:4 John 10:22 1 Maccabees 4:59 John 14:15 Wisdom 6:18 John 15:9s Wisdom 3:9 John 17:3 Wisdom 15:3 John 20:22 Wisdom 15:11 Acts 1:10 2 Maccabees 3:26 Acts 1:18 Wisdom 4:19 Acts 2:4 Sirach 48:12 Acts 2:11 Sirach 36:7 Acts 2:39 Sirach 24:32 Acts 5:2 2 Maccabees 4:32 Acts 5:12 1 Maccabees 12:6 Acts 5:21 2 Maccabees 1:10 Acts 5:39 2 Maccabees 7:19 Acts 9:1-29 2 Maccabees 3:24-40 Acts 9:2 1 Maccabees 15:21 Acts 9:7 Wisdom 18:1 Acts 10:22 1 Maccabees 10:25 Acts 10:22 1 Maccabees 11:30, 33 etc. Acts 10:26 Wisdom 7:1 Acts 10:30 2 Maccabees 11:8 Acts 10:34 Sirach 35:12s Acts 10:36 Wisdom 6:7 Acts 10:36 Wisdom 8:3 etc. Acts 11:18 Wisdom 12:19 Acts 12:10 Sirach 19:26 Acts 12:23 Sirach 48:21 Acts 12:23 1 Maccabees 7:41 Acts 12:23 2 Maccabees 9:9 Acts 13:10 Sirach 1:30 Acts 13:17 Wisdom 19:10 Acts 14:15 Wisdom 7:3 Acts 16:14 2 Maccabees 1:4 Acts 17:23 Wisdom 14:20 Acts 17:23 Wisdom 15:17 Acts 17:24, 25 Wisdom 9:1 Acts 17:24 Wisdom 9:9 Acts 17:26 Wisdom 7:18 Acts 17:27 Wisdom 13:6 Acts 17:29 Wisdom 13:10 Acts 17:30 Sirach 28:7 Acts 19:27 Wisdom 3:17 Acts 20:32 Wisdom 5:5 Acts 20:35 Sirach 4:31 Acts 21:26 1 Maccabees 3:49 Acts 22.9 Wisdom 18.1 Acts 24:2 2 Maccabees 4:6 Acts 26:18 Wisdom 5:5 Romans 1:19-32 Wisdom 13-15 Romans 1:21 Wisdom 13:1 Romans 1:23 Wisdom 11:15 Romans 1:23 Wisdom 12:24 Romans 1:28 2 Maccabees 6:4 Romans 2:4 Wisdom 11:23 Romans 2:11 Sirach 35:12s Romans 2:15 Wisdom 17:11 Romans 4:13 Sirach 44:21 Romans 4:17 Sirach 44:19 Romans 5:5 Sirach 18:11 Romans 5:12 Wisdom 2:24 Romans 9:4 Sirach 44:12 Romans 9:4 2 Maccabees 6:23 Romans 9:19 Wisdom 12:12 Romans 9:21 Wisdom 15:7 Romans 9:31 Sirach 27:8 Romans 9:31 Wisdom 2:11 Romans 10.7 Wisdom 16.13 Romans 11:4 2 Maccabees 2:4 Romans 11:15 Sirach 10:20s Romans 11:33 Wisdom 17:1 Romans 12:15 Sirach 7:34 Romans 13:1 Sirach 4:27 Romans 13:1 Wisdom 6:3s Romans 13.10 Wisdom 6.18 Romans 15:4 1 Maccabees 12:9 Romans 15:8 Sirach 36:20 1 Corinthians 1:24 Wisdom 7:24s 1 Corinthians 2:16 Wisdom 9:13 1 Corinthians 2:9 Sirach 1:10 1 Corinthians 4:14 Wisdom 11:10 1 Corinthians 6:2 Wisdom 3:8 1 Corinthians 6:12 Sirach 37:28 1 Corinthians 6:13 Sirach 36:18 1 Corinthians 6:18 Sirach 23:17 1 Corinthians 7:19 Sirach 32:23 1 Corinthians 9:19 Sirach 6:19 1 Corinthians 9:25 Wisdom 4:2 1 Corinthians 10:1 Wisdom 19:7s 1 Corinthians 10:23 Sirach 37:28 1 Corinthians 11:7 Sirach 17:3 1 Corinthians 11:7 Wisdom 2:23 1 Corinthians 11:24 Wisdom 16:6 1 Corinthians 15:29 2 Maccabees 12:43s 1 Corinthians 15:32 Wisdom 2:5s 1 Corinthians 15:34 Wisdom 13:1 2 Corinthians 5:1, 4 Wisdom 9:15 2 Corinthians 12:12 Wisdom 10:16 Galatians 2:6 Sirach 35:13 Galatians 6:1 Wisdom 17:17 Ephesians 1:6 Sirach 45:1 Ephesians 1:6 Sirach 46:13 Ephesians 1:17 Wisdom 7:7 Ephesians 4:14 Sirach 5:9 Ephesians 4:24 Wisdom 9:3 Ephesians 6:12 Wisdom 5:17 Ephesians 6:14 Wisdom 5:18 Ephesians 6:16 Wisdom 5:19, 21 Philippians 4:5 Wisdom 2:19 Philippians 4:13 Wisdom 7:23 Philippians 4:18 Sirach 35:6 Colossians 2:3 Sirach 1:24s 1 Thessalonians 4:6 Sirach 5:3 1 Thessalonians 4:13 Wisdom 3:18 1 Thessalonians 5:1 Wisdom 8:8 1 Thessalonians 5:2 Wisdom 18:14s 1 Thessalonians 5:3 Wisdom 17:14 1 Thessalonians 5:8 Wisdom 5:18 2 Thessalonians 2:1 2 Maccabees 2:7 1 Timothy 2:2 2 Maccabees 3:11 1 Timothy 6:15 Sirach 46:5 1 Timothy 6:15 2 Maccabees 12:15 1 Timothy 6:15 2 Maccabees 13:4 2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 17:26 2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 23:10v1 2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 35:3 2 Timothy 4:8 Wisdom 5:16 2 Timothy 4:17 1 Maccabees 2:60 Titus 2:11 2 Maccabees 3:30 Titus 3:4 Wisdom 1:6 Hebrews 1:3 Wisdom 7:25s Hebrews 2:5 Sirach 17:17 Hebrews 4.12 Wisdom 18.15s Hebrews 4:12 Wisdom 7:22-30 Hebrews 5:6 1 Maccabees 14:41 Hebrews 7:22 Sirach 29:14ss Hebrews 11:5 Sirach 44:16 Hebrews 11:5 Wisdom 4:10 Hebrews 11:6 Wisdom 10:17 Hebrews 11.10 Wisdom 13.1 Hebrews 11:10 2 Maccabees 4:1 Hebrews 11:17 1 Maccabees 2:52 Hebrews 11:17 Sirach 44:20 Hebrews 11:27 Sirach 2:2 Hebrews 11:28 Wisdom 18:25 Hebrews 11:35 2 Maccabees 6:18-7:42 Hebrews 12:4 2 Maccabees 13:14 Hebrews 12:9 2 Maccabees 3:24 Hebrews 12:12 Sirach 25:23 Hebrews 12:17 Wisdom 12:10 Hebrews 12:21 1 Maccabees 13:2 Hebrews 13:7 Sirach 33:19 Hebrews 13:7 Wisdom 2:17 James 1:1 2 Maccabees 1:27 James 1:13 Sirach 15:11-20 James 1:19 Sirach 5:11 James 1:2 Sirach 2:1 James 1:2 Wisdom 3:4s James 1:21 Sirach 3:17 James 2:23 Wisdom 7:27 James 3:2 Sirach 14:1 James 3:6 Sirach 5:13 James 3:9 Sirach 23:1, 4 James 3:10 Sirach 5:13 James 3:10 Sirach 28:12 James 3:13 Sirach 3:17 James 4:2 1 Maccabees 8:16 James 4:11 Wisdom 1:11 James 5:3 Sirach 29:10 James 5:6 Wisdom 2:10 James 5:6 Wisdom 2:12 James 5:6 Wisdom 2:19 1 Peter 1:3 Sirach 16:12 1 Peter 1:7 Sirach 2:5 1 Peter 2:25 Wisdom 1:6 1 Peter 4:19 2 Maccabees 1:24 etc. 1 Peter 5:7 Wisdom 12:13 2 Peter 2:2 Wisdom 5:6 2 Peter 2:7 Wisdom 10:6 2 Peter 3:9 Sirach 35:19 2 Peter 3:18 Sirach 18:10 Jude 13 Wisdom 14:1 Revelation 1:18 Sirach 18:1 Revelation 2:10 2 Maccabees 13:14 Revelation 2:12 Wisdom 18:16 [15] Revelation 2:17 2 Maccabees 2:4-8 Revelation 4:11 Sirach 18:1 Revelation 4:11 Wisdom 1:14 Revelation 5:7 Sirach 1:8 Revelation 7:9 2 Maccabees 10:7 Revelation 8:1 Wisdom 18:14 Revelation 8:7 Sirach 39:29 Revelation 8:7 Wisdom 16:22 Revelation 9:3 Wisdom 16:9 Revelation 9:4 Sirach 44:18 etc. Revelation 11:19 2 Maccabees 2:4-8 Revelation 17:14 2 Maccabees 13:4 Revelation 19:11 2 Maccabees 3:25 Revelation 19:11 2 Maccabees 11:8 Revelation 19:16 2 Maccabees 13:4 Revelation 20:12s Sirach 16:12

Shalom, i am in complete agreement with you about the angels in prison. i never heard/read it that way... a watermelon i've always heard the eat the meat and spit out the bones Shalom b'Yeshua Z'ev Yochanan

that is a very good point to make, Anne. without a good discernment, any extra-biblical book can be misrepresented and misleading. some have discovered so-called proof of purgatory from the Books of the Maccabbees. when doing your study of Genesis, did you research or look into the Tar'gumim? Tar'gum On'kelos or Tar'gum Yonathan? these are Aramaic interpretations which have a lot of information on various views of how the interpreters of B'reshith/Genesis saw the text. here's a link: http://www.tulane.edu/~ntcs/tgtext.htm the tradition of the book of Enoch isn't that Enoch himself wrote the book, but the Sons of the Prophets, who had seen a vision of the past concerning the times of Enoch, the Righteous Scribe, the Son of Jered. according to this also, those who wrote it related many oral traditions concerning Enoch and those times before the flood. many of the embellishments found therein are said to have some sort of interpretive context, that they are not to be taken literally. Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan

Ah yesh, the D.S.S i have spent the better part of 15 years researching the Qum'ran texts. so much so that my brother used to call me "Scroll Skull" the Gonzaga University Foley Center (where i live) has several volumes of the D.S.S. with the hebrew/aramaic text on one page and the english translation on the opposite page. not to mention there are literally hundreds of books published by scholars of every background. the problem with all these various books and scholars is that you have various opinions about these mysterious documents, like new age philosophy, Yeshua and Yochanan were Essenes, and other such stuff that are as wacky as they are spaced out. some say the Essenes were mystics and early Kabbalists. but from the research i have done, they weren't. they merely expounded upon various texts like the Book of Enoch, the Books of Adam and Eve, and the many apocalyptic texts of their time. much of their doctrine came from these books. the 200+ fallen angels were of a second falling of angelic beings, the first being that of "Lucifer" who is called Heylel ben Shachar in the Hebrew of Isaiah 14. the Book of the Wars of the Children of Light and Darkness is about the final apocalyptic battle between the followers of the Covenant and the Children of Belial. they believed in the coming of two Messiahs, and the spirits of truth or error influencing the hearts and minds of every one. they were truly a remarkable group, and despite the disagreement i have with many of their ideas, i would have loved to have hung out with them Yochanan

Shalom, The reason these books are quoted is because they didn't have an "authorised canon" of the scriptures at that time, and many other books that are not in the present "canon" were read and used in their synagogues and studied by scribes and rabbis. There are actually more books than are in the Apocrypha, upwards to about 120, and these are of Old Testament writings alone. now about the book of Enoch, the original was written by a group known as the B'ney ha N'vi'im, the Sons of the Prophets. notice the manner in which the book begins: "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he (the one relating the story to the one writing it) took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me (Enoch), and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. And concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them...etc" notice that it is written in a manner of one person relating the story of another. the tradition is that the Sons of the Prophets, around 300bce, even earlier, received visions from the Holy One of Blessing, much like how Mosheh did when writing the history of creation in Genesis, they saw the past. there is, however one section of the work that was added by Christians around 100ce. it would be the section concerning the parables (Chapters XXXVII-LXXI). this can be varified by the Dead Sea Scrolls, which lack this section in their copy of the Book of Enoch which was dated 200bce. though they are not referenced by the Sh'lichim (Apostles), there are alot of quotes and references from these book throughout the B'rith Chadashah (New Testament). B'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan Cool! Where did you get this info? Shalom, sorry this has taken so long, but i don't have my own computer and i am forced to use my brother's or my sister's whenever i get the chance, also with Chanukhah going on i have been rather busy. it's times like these that i wish i had my notes. the only thing that comes to mind is "The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha" a two volume set translated and commented upon by Charles. i don't recall his first name, and he's not to be confused with Charlesworth. these volumes are filled with notes and references. if i remember correctly Charles speaks about the Sons of the Prophets, but it may also be something i had read from a translation of the Book of Enoch. 1 and 2 M'lakhim (Kings) makes mention of these Sons of the Prophets also. i hope this is helpful. Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan Valdron

Shalom, The reason these books are quoted is because they didn't have an "authorised canon" of the scriptures at that time, and many other books that are not in the present "canon" were read and used in their synagogues and studied by scribes and rabbis. There are actually more books than are in the Apocrypha, upwards to about 120, and these are of Old Testament writings alone. now about the book of Enoch, the original was written by a group known as the B'ney ha N'vi'im, the Sons of the Prophets. notice the manner in which the book begins: "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he (the one relating the story to the one writing it) took up his parable and said -Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me (Enoch), and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. And concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them...etc" notice that it is written in a manner of one person relating the story of another. the tradition is that the Sons of the Prophets, around 300bce, even earlier, received visions from the Holy One of Blessing, much like how Mosheh did when writing the history of creation in Genesis, they saw the past. there is, however one section of the work that was added by Christians around 100ce. it would be the section concerning the parables (Chapters XXXVII-LXXI). this can be varified by the Dead Sea Scrolls, which lack this section in their copy of the Book of Enoch which was dated 200bce. though they are not referenced by the Sh'lichim (Apostles), there are alot of quotes and references from these book throughout the B'rith Chadashah (New Testament). B'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan

Shalom Nebula, if i remember correctly, i think many of Asian nations may have descended from Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, from Jephet, this is found in various English translations of the Aramaic Peshitta. Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan

Shalom, i'm not too sure where i could post this, i hope this is an appropriate spot i wrote this poem many many years ago, i hope you like it and find it inspiring... "The End Of An Era" "...I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in the Messiah Yeshua." ~Philippians 3:13,14 Thus begins the new adventure through life's Terms, dear friend. Look closely at the strifes Of heart and simply smile. For there is no Crippling blow that could ever hurt you so, Unless your passions take control of your skill And reason, without freedom of choice or will. Stray, I say, from the blade which taunts .......Your wrist to the embracing stroke, Lest your ghost for ever haunts .......In sauntering flame and horrid smoke. For no soul lives eternal from self incrimination, But for ever dwells in death's darkest damnation. Instead, let us embrace life on God's terms, Before that Day of Feasting or night of worms. The grave holds no place for you now ~ Live, I say, and ask God, "How?" Z'ev Yochanan Valdron Sh'vi'i Shel Asarah

Shalom, good work on the research, Eric! however what we're dealing with here is Interpretation. Interpretation is not the same as Translation. Sheth, actually does mean "Appointed", it comes from the Hebrew root Shith. Keynan actually comes from the root meaning "Chamber" or "Nest" or "Dwelling". using "Sorrowful" or "Lamentation" comes from interpreting it from the similar Hebrew root word Kinah, meaning "Lamentation". however, using "Chamber" or "Dwelling" would also work, in that Enosh means "Mortal", and comes from the root Anash meaning "Woeful" or "Incurably Sick". by this we can see that "Mankind is Appointed to a Woeful/Incurably Sick Chamber" or "Woeful/Incurably Sick Dwelling". Enoch, or rather Chanokh' in the Hebrew comes from the root Chanakh', meaning "Instruct", "Discipline" or "Initiation" (by means of Instruction). now M'thushelach is an interesting interpretation. the word in Hebrew can be divided into Motho Shelach, which means "His Death Brings" from the possesive for Moth, "Death" (Motho, M'tho), and Shelach, "Brings", "Sends". this one was actually utilized in a Mid'rash presenting the flood, that the flood wouldn't occur until M'thushelach died. closer examination of Lamekh' would show that the root is actually lost, that all lexicons and dictionaries do not know it's meaning (at least the ones that i've looked into). but in interpreting it, one can perceive the Hebrew prefix of the L being Li (of, for, to) and the word Makhakh' (Despairing, Disintegrating, Perishing), written with the prefix Makhakh' becomes Li-Makh' "for the despairing". the thing of it is, is that the root words are spelt the same as other words, and by removing the Nikkudoth (vowel markings) another point of view is revealed. this occurs with the verse in Mattith'yahu/Matthew, when it says that He (Yeshua/Jesus) shall be called a Nazarene. i know this was written in Greek, but the Hebrew gives it some implications that are undeniable. the Hebrew root word for Nazarene is Natzar (N.Tz.R). in the prophesy of Y'sha'yahu/Isaiah 11:1, it says: There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch (Netzer N.Tz.R) from his roots shall bear fruit. there are various manners of interpretation, there's what's called T'rumah which is Permutation, the exchanging of one letter for another. edit ............................................................................ it has been brought to my attention that dyslexia has had it way with my brain. in this statement, i meant to write t'murah, not t'rumah. ............................................................................. an example would be the word Torah and permutating the letters using the Al-Bath cipher, it becomes B'tzedek, meaning "In" or "With" or "By Righteousness". there is also another system where similar sounding letters can be exchanged, like Aleph for Ayin, Kaph for Koph, Shin for Samekh' etc etc. what many of these things profide is merely a glimpse into the inner workings of the word of the Holy One of Blessing. Shalom v'Chesed, Yochanan

Shalom, Some people worry about satan too much Seriously. Look to G-d for the answers. The key is the MESSAGE. The words. DO they glorify G-d? If so, the style of the music is irrelevant. It is the message that makes something glorifying to G-d or not. You see, G-d created music not satan. Music in it's pure form cannot be evil since it is G-d's creation. Satan has no influence at that point. When man gets ahold of G-d's creation, then it can be used for either good or evil, but INHERENTLY, the music cannot be evil since G-d created it. So, simply check the message - see who it glorifies, what it says, what it promotes. If it is a Christian message, don't worry about the style. Shalom Vicky and SDA, i very much agree with you Vicky, except on one point. the style of the music does actually matter. now, i'm not talking about the instruments. ever notice when you listen to certain styles of music you feel an emotional response to it, even without lyrics. imagine a lovesong with beautiful lyrics and hard-driving heavy metal music, it causes the confusion of spirit and soul in that you feel agression, though the words are giving praise. this is like unequally yoked material, or pure waters and bitter waters coming out of a fountain, either way the fountain is contaminated. though the Living G'd created music, what we as humans create with it is another thing. Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan

Shalom, it goes further than that throughout His genealogy... in fact all the way to Yeshua/Jesus the message speaks of the judgment, His resurrection, and other stuff. i have researched the genealogy and have done this genealogy interpretation a little over ten years ago. Since i have only a Hebrew Bible here, i will do my best to give the english version of the names. i will be doing this from memory, so i probably wont give all the names, it will have to wait until next weekend, but here's a little teaser also i haven't given all the explanations as to how i came up with the various interpretations of the names that you wont find in a lexicon, and even of the different ones that i have that you may find in lexicons, also you will notice that the second Cainan and Reysha are not in the list, they weren't in the Tanakh'. the general genealogy i used is from Luke 3. Shem= Lofty One Arphaxad= Pours Like a Desolation Shelah= Sending Ever= Overflowing Peleg= Division Ru= Evil Serug= Entwined Nachor= Piercing Terah= Tribulation "The Lofty One pours out like a desolation, sending overflowing division (and) evil, entwined (with) piercing tribulation." Abraham= The Father of Many Isaac= Laughs Jacob= Supplants Judah= Praise Peretz= Breaches Chetzron= The Surrounding Wall (of the Courtyard) Aram= Raising Amminadav= A Willing People nachshon= Strength "The Father of Many (God) laughs (and) supplants. Praise breaches the surrounding wall (of the courtyard), raising a willing people (unto) strength." Salmon= Clothed Boaz= In Majesty Oved= Servant Jesse= He Who Is David= The Beloved Nathan= Given Mattath= The Gift Mina= Ordained Malya= Fulfillment Eliakim= God Raising Yunom= Sleeper Joseph= Adding Judah= Praise Shim'on= the Listener "Clothed in majesty, the Servant, He who is the Beloved, is given; the Gift ordained (in the) fulfillment (of) God raising the Sleeper, adding praise (to) the listener." Levi= The One Who Brings Unity Mattath= The gift Y'horam= Yah Has Raised Eliezer= My God of Help Yeshua= Salvation Er= El'madan= God of Judgment Kosam= Decreed Addi= Malki= the King Neri= My Light Sh'al'tiyel= I Have Asked God Zerubavel= Scatter Confusion Yochanan= God is Gracious (this part i dont recall) Judah= Praise Joseph= Adding (or: Added) Sh'mi= the Proclaimer Mattith'yah= The Gift of Yah Machath= Blotting Out Naggay= Affliction Ches'li= The Consumer "Praise (is) added (to) the proclaimer (of) the Gift of Yah, (the) blotting out (of the) affliction (of sin) and the Consumer." Nachum= Repentance Amotz= Strengthened Mattith'yah= Gift of Yah Joseph= Adding (or:Added) Yanay= He Who Responds Malki= the King Levi= the One Who Brings Unity "Repentance (is) strengthened, the Gift of Yah (is) Added to him who responds (to) the King, the One who brings unity." Mattath= the Gift Eli= Ascends Yoseph= Adding Yeshua (Jesus)= Salvation "The Gift ascends, Adding Salvation!" Amen, Z'ev

funny you should mention that.... i was asked once where the design for the Star of David came from, and why i would draw my Star designs sideways. i told them that in ancient Hebrew the Name David was spelt Daleth Vav Daleth. the two Daleths formed a Star (one would be backwards), while the ancient Vav looked something like a Y, and the Star would be sideways with two points going up and down with the Vav in the middle forming the pole for the banner of David ha Melekh'.

Shalom, Brother Damien, I would recommend the J.P.Green interlinear, the Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, and of course the Strong's Concordance which has Hebrew and Greek Lexicons in the back. also, for a good word study bible, i would suggest the Key Word Study Bible, it comes in KJV or NAS, it may come in other versions, but those two i know of, you can order these online. the J.P.Green may be difficult to find unless they came out with new editions lately. online studies, i recommend the Blue Letter Bible, it gives Hebrew and Greek and commentaries. http://www.blueletterbible.org/ Chesed v'Rachamim b'Yeshua (Lovingkindness and Compassion) ~Z'ev Yochanan

Shalom, i study the Hebrew scriptures and like to play with the letters and there meanings, and one day, when i came across the name Y'hudah (YHVDH), i accidently thought it as the Holy Name YHVH. when i caught myself, i realised something... Y'hudah contains the Holy Name YHVH, and when i looked at the additional letter Daleth (D), knowing what the letter represents, i realised that the name Y'hudah was rather prophetic itself. it is known, Mashi'ach will come from the tribe of Y'hudah, and we know that Mashi'ach comes from YHVH. the letter Daleth is a representation of Mashi'ach. He said, "I am the Door. Any one who enters in by Me will be saved...." John 10:9 the Hebrew letter Daleth is called the Door. also, the Daleth is the number 4, called "Godhead in another manner", which brings to mind Colossians 2:9: "For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." and so i perceived that Mashi'ach will be of the tribe of Y'hudah (YHVDH), and coming out from YHVH (YHV-D-H). isn't that just neat? Shalom v'Chesed b'Yeshua, Z'ev Yochanan