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I have not replied to Michael yet and I will. In the Branch thread. You can join in.
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@Charlie744 Michael started a new thread in General discussion in my name and he posted a quote from Paul to give us some space, all is Good.
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@Charlie744 did you find the thread? I can get to that thread by following the notifications sent to me.
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2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:
I only said that Adam disobeyed God because this is what God said who never said the word "Sin" to neither Adam or Eve.
Michael said:
Hi @Your closest friendnt
The discussion branched out from end times to the question od Adam's sin, hence the creation of this new thread.
Paul has it as follows:
Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned: (13) for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (14) But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is the type of Him who was to come;
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7 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:
Sorry, can you please identify the thread?
What topic or sub- topic? Thanks.This is his post that followed
The discussion branched out from end times to the question od Adam's sin, hence the creation of this new thread.
Paul has it as follows:
Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, even as through one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed on all men inasmuch as all sinned: (13) for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (14) But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is the type of Him who was to come;
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4 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:
Sorry, can you please identify the thread?
What topic or sub- topic? Thanks.This is copy and paste below.
1 hr Michael37 changed the title to Branch Discussion About Sin Entering Through Adam
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20 hours ago, Charlie744 said:
Okay, I understand your comment. God never used the word sin but He did tell Adam that he commanded him not to eat of the tree…
So, what are you bringing that out for? They both disobeyed God’s commands…
I am glad that you took hold of that. It is very important to follow what God said and to used the specific words He did. Please post your post in that thread so I can reply there because you have raised important matters.
●●●Michael has asked to continue this discussion in the New thread
Branch Discussion About Sin Entering Through Adam.
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On 4/23/2024 at 12:11 PM, Charlie744 said:
Very nice! God knew Adam would sin and He designed a plan of that would restore man back with Him in the garden.
Throughout the Scriptures He has constantly reminded us of the “do’s and don’ts,” but we continue to “play in the streets,” we continue to “play with matches.”
Every prophecy in the Scriptures has been fulfilled exactly as it was given… His Word is true… we are so close to the end! He has revealed all that we need to be saved. He has withheld nothing in His plan of salvation to us.
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3 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:
Scriptures also say that the Angels are servants of the most high God.
Heb. 1:14 (ESV), Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?
And 1 Pet. 1:10-12, Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.
They must serve or minister to both God and Man as directed. They also ministered to Jesus after his trial in the wilderness.
I am familiar about the Angels and are not just ministry spirits they also have powers to bring their mission to pass. Like the Angel at Sodoma and Gomorrah. He brought the destruction after Lot and his family was safe. And he cause the people not to see them and they escaped. The Archangel Gabriel who not only bring to Mary the message from God but also was in charge of protecting them and told them what Herod plan to do and he went with them protecting them to Egypt and he brought them back safe. An his job was to protect them, nothing to happen to them.
And Peter and the Angel whom God sent to take him out from prison. To your comment that it was John and one of the Angels who is a servant as John as the other disciples were because he said: I am a Servant like you and your brothers with the testimony of Jesus. That he is in the Service of Jesus Christ. That the Angels were in service to Jesus Christ. They were Servants to Jesus like John and the other disciples were. And he was telling John not to worship the Angels but to worship God only. That I accept that He was an Angel and not a man. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Now I understand that he only said "I am a Servant with you and your brothers all Servants of Jesus Christ. It is as if he is telling John that Jesus has been glorified in Heaven and that the Angels know that and are now in his Service. That they are in the Service of Jesus Christ. And the point also was not to worship Angels and not to be afraid of them because they are Holy Angels. To worship God only and not the Angels. God bless.
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3 hours ago, D. Adrien said:
Why is there so much about the end times throughout the bible?
Because prophecy is one proof of the Eternal speaking truth! So that there would be unfulfilled prophecies throughout the church era for Christians to look back and see prophecies fulfilled and be encouraged to know other unfulfilled prophecies will come to pass.
2Pet. 1: 20-21 (ESV)
knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Edit: This one especially: Rev.19:10
Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.” For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
It's interesting what Peter said that men spoke from the Holy Spirit. It's like the prophetic statements that build the profile of Jesus Christ. When Jesus said that in the volume of the book is written about me and he proceeded to explain that to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. And at that time they did not have the New Testament all together. Because Jesus Christ made that statement right after his resurrection. Not even a day after his resurrection.
About referring to the revelation 19:10, in that context John is not prophesied, he is just describing what was shown to him and what he experienced. He fell down to worship the angel and at that time he found out that he was not a Heavenly Angel but someone who had the Testimony of Jesus a fellow Servant like you and your brothers. That was a factual testimony that it was revealed to John that the one who was showing things to him was a fellow Servant like him and your brothers. Who has the Testimony of Jesus. Is he telling John that one time before he died he was a fellow Servant like a disciple of Jesus Christ just like John and the other disciples who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Like him and the other disciples he was also like one of them before he died and that's where he is now and it was given to him to show those things to John. John was certainly surprised believing that an Angel from God was speaking to him and then to find out that it was someone who was a disciples of Jesus a Servant of Jesus just like him, John and the other disciples. This is a factual situation and it was not a future situation but something that had happened already. He said I have the Testimony of Jesus what I am telling you is from Jesus Christ. The one John was talking with was a Man a Servant of Jesus Christ just like him and the other disciples in his glory given to him from Jesus Christ after his death. It was not an Angelic Creature like the Archangel Gabriel who was a Heavenly Angel. He did not identified himself with his earthly name and neither with his Heavenly name. Only that I am a fellow Servant with you and your brothers. Definitely not one of those John knew. We do not know more but we know that he was a man with the testimony of Jesus. But now he was in Heaven and after he had died. He said "I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers also a Man with the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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23 hours ago, D. Adrien said:
Your closest friendnt, The warnings to the seven churches in the second and third chapter of Revelation illustrate how Jesus views what is occurring/ has occurred within the church types. Shouldn't a Christian abide by the word of God, guided by the Holy Spirit leading the body of Christ?
Understandably, I need to remove the log in my eye before critiquing someone about the splinter in someone else's eye, while also knowing that we are to judge what happens within the Christian community as per 1 Cor. 5.
They are not Antichrist. They also believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and they believe that their sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ. This is I want to highlight. I do not represent them and I was never authorized to represent them and that it wouldn't be possible because I am not one of them. And in the absence of anyone from them to speak on their behalf. I don't think it is fair to speak heavily about them or anyone else in their absence. Jesus Christ is the one who judges them. We are call to discern-(diacrino) and that's why we do not worship anyone else but Jesus Christ and we are not call to judge.Even with Mary and the prayers for the dead it is Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of their sins appointed by God to be their Judge. And He considers their faith in him above all other things which cannot seperated them from the Love of Jesus Christ. They need to know that their sins are forgiven in Jesus Christ. Jesus is our peace with the Heavenly Father. And that they have.
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33 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:
This church has the same problems that the Pharisees and Sadducees had. They hold in high regard the traditions of men over the teachings of Jesus/God.
See Mark 7: 1-9
Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, 2they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3(For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,a holding to the tradition of the elders, 4and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash.b And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.c) 5And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’8You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
9And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
Ikons, the worship of Mary, the sayings of the Elders and rituals obscure and confuse the practice of Christianity as commanded by the teachings of Jesus, the head of the Church.
As we are in the New Covenant which is paramount to understand that the Lord of the New Covenant has also died for the forgiveness of our sins. And he has put into place New principles. Jesus knows but his moto is love and forbearance and he will never do to his people what they did to him. I know many things and he knows more things about them but He knows what he is doing. This is why I stopped saying anything specific about them that it can be very offensive to them. He knows how to approach every matter. They are his children and no one has the right from Jesus Christ to speak about them in away thinking that they do a service to the Lord. In Love and in acceptance because they also have their sins forgiven in Jesus Christ. And the love of Jesus Christ is greater than their confusion.
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Paul was like Jesus. He did not have a house which is he did not stay in the same place as he had to move from place to place and being threatened and often beaten. Paul did not have a wife and children just like Jesus. He did not have a bank account and he lived on charity. How else he was like Jesus? He was arrested and brought before the Roman authorities and he died for the cause of the Gospel just like Jesus and he defer from Jesus there after. He did not follow Jesus at the time of his death to go to the same place where Jesus went at the time of his death on the Cross, when Jesus imediatly descended to the place of the dead. No one can follow Jesus in that, to descend in the place of the dead at the time of his death weather as a believer and not even as an unbeliever. But Paul as a believer in Jesus Christ he had to follow Jesus to where Jesus was at the time of Paul's death. And that place was Heaven and to Jesus and the Heavenly Father. Because Jesus was risen from the dead and was ascended to Heaven to the Heavenly Father. Jesus was raised from the dead and was in his body. But not for Paul who went to Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father while his body was seen corruption and decay. From decay to decay till there is nothing to decay anymore. Certainly Paul never mourn for the lost of his earthly body. He lost his earthly body but he gain a Heavenly body. A body that does not decay.
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When they preach the word and the Christian life they are very well educated. Extremely good in psychology and they are for Jesus Christ. But the church has a strong hold on the people with their rituals and their rituals about the dead quite similar to Catholic church. You need the church, the Priesthood and their prayers for the dead. A lot of rituals about the dead and you need the church and the Priests. They keep the people away from Jesus Christ. You need the Priests to Sanctified the people. Like many other things from the Old Testament.
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4 hours ago, Mama Etna said:
I have heard just about all of these arguments.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:44
No one can be convinced unless God draws him first. These responses come from the sinful unredeemed nature of people outside of Christ. Some of these responses are pretty nasty too.
Aggressiveness and incivility is pretty typical of the LGBT movement.
Not exactly; People defend what they have. Like all of us. There are various groups in that community and some of them aknowledging their beliefs they gather in their own Christian gathering and their own churches which you cannot judge. Because we are to encourage and not to forbid anyone to acknowlege what they believe. Even to acknowledge their faith in Jesus Christ.
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5 hours ago, WordSword said:
Yes, the statement "instead of our evil pleasures" is just my words. It means if we weren't born again we would still be in our sin!
Concerning going to Church, you will not grow much in Christ (Eph 4:15; Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18) if you're not in Church! Church fellowship with other Christians is the primary means God uses to teach us His mind and will. Many Christians stunt their growth in Christ by being out of Church; Christ's most important command is to love one another (Jhn 15:12). It's my understanding that one would need to be in a Church (Bible believing church, many putting the Word aside more or less) regularly to claim they love the saints. How else could it be done?
Greetings @WordSword
There is a few issues for discussion in your post and there is one in your first paragraph. When you said "if we were not born again we will still be in our sin". That is not a complete statement because it does not say who said that and to whom it was told and the most important how could that be. That what the one who hears that statement expects to hear. If you please fill in the blanks as to know what you were thinking about how someone is not in his sin.
*When Jesus said to the Jews at the time when the Sinai Covenant was still in effect and their sins were forgiven by the blood of the lamb of the Atonement and Jesus said that knowing that he will soon die on the Cross for the forgiveness of the sins of both Jews and Gentiles and some of the Jews will not believe in him and Jesus said to them in John 8: that if you do not believe in me you will die in your sins, and from the Gospel of John 16:8-9 NIV 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me;
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One example taking God's name in vain it is when someone says: that God will punish you and we have heard that many times from our parents when we were children.
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1 hour ago, PATrobas said:
It encompasses both deeds and words. I especially agree that to do something 'in the name of the Lord' or 'in Jesus' name' is speaking of doing, or saying something, in or by His authority. For instance, when we pray 'in Jesus' name' it is not a magic phrase we tack on at the end of our prayers like 'abracadabra' then BOOM, God answers our prayers because we followed the formula. But rather we "come boldly to the throne of grace" Heb.4:16 because our High Priest Jesus, has already gone before us there, to sprinkle His own blood on the real mercy seat, and has given us the right and authority to approach our Holy God. Not on our merits, but by His. We pray in Jesus' name (authority), reminding ourselves of why we can come boldly. I am reminded of those who argued with Jesus in Matt. 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven :22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works :23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They were claiming to speak or do in Jesus' name but were found as false prophets.
This then is one form of breaking the third commandment.
Greetings PATrobas
The 3rd commandment it was not given to them from Jesus Christ. And because Jesus lived and spoke to people to those people who were under the Sinai Covenant and he said many things to them before his death, before the New Covenant and some of them were in reference to the New covenant and some were for them only who were under the Sinai Covenant. The person who blasphem against God was according to the Law cut off from the community of the people and God for the rest of his life. No repentance to reconciliation was available as it was one of the unforgiving sins under the Sinai Covenant. The Jews to be safe they never say or write the name of God and they refer to him as Adonai or Lord.
This is what Jesus said: every one who profanes the Son of Man or after his resurrection Jesus Christ will be forgiven and the same goes for God. And this why because Jesus said that he died for all sins but one sin the sin of not believing in Jesus Christ and God. It's simple when someone believes in God and has refused to believe in Jesus Christ he is also in the sin of unbelief. Because Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of our sins or his sins. About the Holy Spirit it is besides the point because the Holy Spirit did not died and that's impossible for the forgiveness of our sins the same as God.
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On 4/6/2024 at 10:02 PM, Kristina said:
Just looking for opinions and clarity...
This is about them and at time who were under the Sinai Covenant and the enforcer of their Covenant who was the Lord God who was also the punisher of the violators. And his moto was codified in the Sinai Covenant an eye against an eye and so on...and on.
Nothing to do with the rest of the world at that time because God was not their God. And nothing to do with the Jews today and since 2000 years because we are in the New Covenant, the whole world including the Jews is under the authority of the New Covenant. They will all stand before the judgement seat of the Glorious Jesus Christ even everyone who Crusified him they will see Him in his Glory. Jesus ratified the New Covenant with his blood when he died on the Cross and was punished for our sins. And his moto is love and turn the other chic. And it is against the principle of his justice that two different people to be punished for the same offense. And Jesus was ahead of everyone and he the inosent was punished for our sins and he knows that and his hands are tight he can only bless his children and he never punishes anyone not even the unbeliever for his sins, as he is waiting for him to believe so he can forgive his sins. Which it is according to his proclamation that God made him the propretiation for the sins of the whole world, to anyone who believes in him at that time when anyone believes in him. This is why he sent his disciples to preach forgiveness of sins in his name. In his blood. In the New testament which was ratified with his blood at the time of his death on the Cross.
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4 hours ago, Marathoner said:
It's been my understanding that the name of the Lord speaks of His power and His authority; this is a position we walk in and dwell within on earth. His bondservant never has to utter a single word to be found in His name. How are we in the name of the Lord, then? We walk in and dwell with the Spirit of the Lord on this earth.
I believe that this commandment refers specifically to those who declare that they come in the name of the Lord when they do not; they take His name in vain. I'm thinking that words alone are not covered by this commandment. Why? Matthew 12:31-32:
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come." (NASB)
It's for this reason that I don't think the 3rd commandment encompasses words.The Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus for blasphemy and they said to Jesus that we do not want to kill you for the good things you are doing when Jesus challenged them and asked them for which one of the good things I have done you plan to kill me. They said to him it is for what you say that God is your Father.
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4 hours ago, WordSword said:
Hi and appreciate what you're saying! Maybe if you could bring out some particular Scriptures we might have something we can discuss.
Thank you I was looking at Philippians 2:13 "God works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13),
(instead of our evil pleasures.) This is not part of the scripture and it us not polite to say "instead of evil pleasure". I do not accept this as an accurate statement and you are talking about believers. And even for unbelievers it is not an accurate statement because there unbelievers who are very kind people. Paul met some of them and he commented about them. And the people who seek to harm him were the people of the Sinai Covenant. The Gentiles offered him their hospitality. Paul would never say that, but now I understand that "God works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13),
( instead of our evil pleasure) is not part of the scriptures.
As believers we can have our own way of life but that does not mean that our life is full of evil pleasure. No definitely not. To work and take care of your children is not an evil pleasure. Even if you do not go to church. Jesus said that we can worship him in spirit and in truth. Not here or there and that too in the churches also no problem with that.
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When the little Lamb is born in the Shepherd's sheep fold they only know how to follow their mother and have learn to recognize their mother's voice without any problem from amongst the cacophony of all the voices of the sheep in the fold. This is no strange because we understand this from our own experience even if we do not see our mother we can recognize her voice. A blind person who can not see can recognize the voice of the person it trust.
Because the Lord let us trust the people around us who take care of us eventually will seek to make inroads in understanding his calling or his voice and he has to compete with many other voices which are trying to compete with him in that matter. So he has a difficult task to help us to know or to discern his voice or the way he is trying to let us know that it is him, and that takes time and it is not the same for everyone. And his method is not the same for everyone. We need to be patient in seeking that because it maybe happening but we cannot recognize it and in any case he can teach us to learn to recognize his voice and distinguish it from any other. He can teach and this is also by trial and error and even confusing someone else voice for his but he can teach us to tell the difference and also learn to recognize the enemies voice who some times he is aproching us as the bearer of good news as the Angel of lights, even coming along us pretending and making us think it is the Holy Spirit during a Bible study. And the Holy Spirit can supply us or deposit spiritual gifts in our heart to help us know the difference.
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You are trying to say something but I don't like it because I do not see it clearly in scripture. If you make it simple perhaps I will see it in scripture and like it. Please make it digestible simple.
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Greetings to you. This is a copy from my post perhaps you miss it. On the 7th line from the top of my post.
. I agree with what you said it was about the Serpent and not the other kind of snakes and not even about the actual Serpent it self but the Spiritual power which was at work.
and I continued to identify the identification of the spiritual power who fanifested it self as a Serpent. The High Priest in Egypt were worshiping that power and their emblem was the serpent and the Pharaoh skepter had the Serpent and their head gear had the Serpent. And their was emnity between the children of God and the children of the Serpent. And the dwel of the God's of Egypt with the God of Moses who were worshiping the power who manifested as the Serpent. That was about a spiritual power in the Garden. That's the point it was about the spiritual power and about the one who was behind the spiritual power who had fallen from Heaven and the saying that he will eat the dust of the earth or crawl on the earth it is about a spiritual message and it was said at the right time after the fall of man. God promised to provide a Savior for man and a Heavenly Inheritance for the earthly man. But for the one behind the Serpent who had fallen from Heaven the judgment was he will remain on earth forever that He will be kick out from the Heavenly and be on the earth forever. That the man who was earthly will inherit Heaven- we understand that this is only for the believers but He who was Heavenly will forever be on earth. No plan of redemption for him.
If you love me, keep my commandments.
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The Gentiles indeed took over because it meant to be. As it was foretold that more are the children of the non favor wife than the favor one. (Figure that out and fill in the blanks).