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Why do you say true believers? That is partial rapture. Only the true believers get raptured. Some of the ones who believe but are not right with God get a second chance, but that's based on Ken Peters' dream. A man said he had not been right with God, shared the Gospel to him, 2 weeks after he got that dream he got saved and in the dream he got saved and that man was a leader in the revival during the trib. That's maybe Luke 12: Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would [g]have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” 41 Then Peter said to Him, “Lord, do You speak this parable only to us, or to all people?” 42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food [h]in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. The virgins are not unbelievers. They were going oit to meet the bridegroom and virgins. I read once that a translation says their lamps had gone out. Are going out or had gone out, they had oil in the past. For instance someone serves God but then divorces, takes offense, is full of hate and lives in sin with someone else. And then is the rapture. This person will miss it cause he or she backslid. But that's not bad enough to lose your salvation. I know cause I came back. But there is a chance to get killed by a bomb and go to hell if your mom doesnt pray or if youmake it to end up like that guy who later got his head cut off too in the dream. But he did have revival and got a part of the uncountable multitude in. Why would He warn us to watch if we get raptured anyway? The deception is just satan always lying to young believers that they are not good enough. I believe a baby christian who just got saved a day ago will get raptured. No wait. Luke 12, comes back from the wedding, that is about the end when there are no 2nd chances anymore. Cut him in half does not sound like there's a second chance. He says it in Revelation 16:15 too.

Oh yes you're right. I was just thinking that. The ones with Jesus, that wasn't a rapture. But it's not clear to me if the 144.000 die. If not it can be a second rapture and the 2 witnesses get raised and then ascend, oh that's not a rapture either.

It's also in 2 Tessalonians 2. Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Revelation 3 It's said to the faithful church. This is not said to everyone in Laodicea. 10 Because you have kept [c]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. Matthew 25 Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, 4 but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. 6 “And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom [a]is coming; go out to meet him!’ 7 Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9 But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. 11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming. And Matthew 24 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. This can't be about when He comes back, because this is Laodicea and that church who lets Jezebel be before the trib. During the trib you can't even buy food without the mark of the beast, so then they can't be self absorbed marrying and eating and not noticing anything. And you can just count the days until Jesus comes back from the point of the peace treaty or when the ac sits in the temple, so the thief in the night text must be about the rapture and the other text, 2 lay in a bed and one is taken. From that horrific song from the 80s and that horrible movie.

The tribulation saints get killed, but it reads like the 144000 get raptured. Found this on Quora: 1. Enoch is caught up / taken / raptured [Genesis 5v24 + Hebrews 11v5-6] – A type for the church (faith) 2. Elijah is caught up [2 Kings 2v11] – A type for Israel 3. The resurrection & rapture/ascension of Jesus (First) [Matthew 27v52-54 + Acts 1v9-11] 4. The resurrection & rapture of many of the saints (directly after His resurrection) [Hosea 6v2 + Matthew 27v52-54] 5. The resurrection & rapture of the bride/church – those who have died in Christ [1 Thessalonians 4v16-17 & Rev 4v1] (Pre-trib) The wedding (John 14v2-3) is not an appointed time – it is at the discretion of the Father 6. The resurrection & rapture of the two witnesses [Rev 11v11-12] after 1260 days (Mid-trib) 7. The rapture of the 144000 [Rev 14v3] (most certainly before the second coming, probably mid-trib/pre-wrath) https://bibleprophecyandthebeastsofthebible.quora.com/All-of-the-raptures-mentioned-in-the-bible

Yes I think so too.

No or maybe they hide them or I simply don't pay attention. We used to have a boss and he wasn't there and we were with a group of around 10 and someone said: Does he have a moustache or a beard or not? And just nobody knew. We saw him every day and nobody had a clue. LOL then he came join and he had this huge ring of a moustache and a beard around his mouth. It was so funny that nobody noticed it. So who knows. Maybe I have met dozens of people with a huge face tattoo, but I didn't pay attention. I have one colleague who got a small tattoo instead of a wedding ring. She told me. That's why I know.

Ooh LOL sorry, well it both ends on iah. That must be why I switched em.

I can see why they say mid trib when I read revelation, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's pretrib and midtrib. At least there are 2 raptures, because the 2 witnesses get raptured as a seperate event.

Revelation 12 is when Israel gets a place in the desert for 3,5 years and then he goes after the christians living elsewhere. I assume he lets all Israelites go to Israel and makes false peace there and then he attacks them when they're all in one place. And after that in Revelation 14 Jesus stands on the mount of Olive with the 144000 and then I don't understand it anymore. Still some get killed when He stands on the mount of Olive? (Rev 14:13)

Why would the remnant survivors cry over Him like a first born if they are not from Israel? It may be that also gentile believers will live there, cause He got rid of the middle wall and every believer who died is in Jerusalem that comes down from heaven I suppose or they follow Him, but I don't see why someone who converts from the gentiles would weep over Him as a first born and why does it say everyone from the tribe of .. and their women. Makes no sense if you make that about spiritual Israel. What tribe are they from then?

I thought all christians get killed, because it says they have to wait until their brethren are also killed. The ac kills everyone with no mark and then the plagues come as judgement, but first the 144000 get sealed in Revelation 7 and later there's the uncountable multitude. Israel has a safe place in the desert. That happens before this, at the beginning of the 3,5 years, so then they have already been brought there. Maybe the ac lets them go there the first 3,5 years when he slimes to them and they think: this must be the messiah. Revelation 12 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 7 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed: After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Sounds like the gathering is to Him in heaven and not to Israel, because after this the plagues come. Isaiah 11, the next verse in Isaiah 12:1 says: And in that day you will say: “O Lord, I will praise You; Though You were angry with me, Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me. Isaiah 12:1 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/isa.12.1.NKJV That's about Israel, not about christians from the gentiles. Isaiah 10, Jacob is Israel before he wrestled with God. That's not about gentile christians and the christians who are gentiles who just got saved in the trib don't return to God, because they never left Him. And it shall come to pass in that day That the remnant of Israel, And such as have escaped of the house of Jacob, Will never again depend on him who defeated them, But will depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, To the Mighty God. For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, A remnant of them will return; The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness. For yet a very little while and the indignation will cease, as will My anger in their destruction.” It shall come to pass in that day That his burden will be taken away from your shoulder, And his yoke from your neck, And the yoke will be destroyed because of the anointing oil. As yet he will remain at Nob that day; He will shake his fist at the mount of the daughter of Zion, The hill of Jerusalem. Isaiah 10:20‭-‬22‭, ‬25‭-‬27‭, ‬32 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/isa.10.20-32.NKJV Ezekiel 37 is not about christians: Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

But remnant can't be christians from the gentiles. Remnant is always from Israel. Not only Juda. The other tribes mixed with the nations.