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  1. luigi

    The world in chaos

    Yeah, there is a lot to keep up with. I think these are the beginning of sorrows described in the Olivets. All we can do now I guess is keep watch on these signs as instructed in Mark 13:37. Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
  2. In the Olivets of Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24, along with Revelation 6, the world appears in great chaos. News articles are now appearing describing the world increasingly in chaos. Below is a link to a recent article describing some of the chaos occurring throughout the world. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/25/protests-rage-around-the-world-hong-kong-lebanon-chile-catalonia-iraq?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVUy0xOTEwMjU%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUS&CMP=GTUS_email
  3. Good to know JTC, I guess to sanctify which means to make separate, means to make the spirit separate from the carnal.
  4. I agree with you that the Lord does work in different people in different ways to clean them up as Daniel 11:35 seems to affirm. Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
  5. Good morning JTC, I had sins I hated and did not have the capacity to leave prior to accepting Jesus. Upon accepting Jesus, I had the power through His sacrifice of Himself on the cross to leave the sins I hated behind me, which I gradually left. I did this through prayer, and crying to Him. Even after this, however, I still have some carnal sins that I do not necessarily hate (too much wine sometimes), which I have to overcome. If I continue to be led by the Holy Spirit of God away from my carnal inclinations, I then have the hope that at some point I will leave my carnal inclinations behind me. I am only now recently beginning to ask the Lord in prayer for His will to be done in regard to this an other associated sins that I do not necessarily hate to overcome. Just know one more thing JTC, I also received a lot of blow back from Satan through individuals when gradually leaving the sins I hated behind. The devil will be there.
  6. Justpassingthru, I do believe that the Lord's sacrifice was for any and all who wish to leave their sins behind them, so that they are saved from them. I also believe that upon accepting Jesus, we receive His Holy Spirit. It is now up to us as to whether we decide to be led by the Holy Spirit away from our carnal inclinations, or whether we choose not to be led by the Holy Spirit in order to remain living for our flesh. If we choose the latter, we shall die (Romans 8:13), but if we choose to be be led by the Holy Spirit we shall live, and be Gods sons (Romans 8:13-14). Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
  7. Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
  8. I do agree with you that when we are born again, we become a son of God by adoption. The question is when does this rebirth and adoption by God occur? If upon accepting Jesus as our Lord we are born again, then what is the case with those in Romans 8:23, who as they continue leaving their carnal natures behind them, await their redemption from vanity to be adopted by the Father as His children? Answer: We who are led by the Spirit and eventually leave our carnal inclinations are the creatures who currently groan and travail in pain (Romans 8:22), who shall be liberated from our current bondage to sin, so that we may be adopted as Gods children (Romans 8:21). Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
  9. I also do not see where we overcome and leave our carnal natures behind in favor of spiritual growth as a work of faith. A work of faith is what results from what you believe. The Samaritan who by definition was a heathen without faith in God, unknowingly believed in God by loving his neighbor. His having mercy on his neighbor was the work of faith result.
  10. OSAS members do not openly claim that sinning is OK, they merely state: that once you initially accept Jesus as your Saviour, that you can then do no wrong that will keep you out of Spiritual heaven, even if you were to continue indulging in the flesh. The OSAS teaching is therefore very appealing to many who wish to continue in their fleshly desires. Romans 8:5-7, however, clearly show there is gulf between they who continue indulging in the flesh, and they who leave fleshly sinning behind in favor of spiritual growth. Romans 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
  11. Good morning dhchristian, OSAS means that once you initially accept Jesus as your saviour, you then can do no wrong that will keep you from an eternal spiritual heaven, even if you keep believing in carnal sins. Eternal security on the other hand, I understand as that if I continue to grow on a spiritual path rejecting more of my carnal nature, that I will eventually attain the current hope of a spiritual eternal life. I see our current conditions in which we sin today as those in Romans 8, who lived in hope of an eventual redemption from their subjugation to vanity.
  12. I also am for Eternal Security, and hopefully we make it. The Lord dwells with us of a contrite and humble spirit. Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones
  13. JTC claimed salvation means we no longer owe God for our sins, to which I replied: We no longer owe God for our sins, provided we overcome them and leave them. This means the Lord forgives they who eventually leave their sins by overcoming them. They on the other hand who begin on the salvation path, but then decide to not overcome their carnal natures and indulge in them, are the dogs and sows in 2 Peter 2:23. Look at Revelation chapters 2 and 3 to the seven churches in Asia Minor who are told to overcome their carnal natures in order to receive the prize, or if not face the dire consequences. No OSAS with the first century churches in Asia Minor.
  14. Prior to going to teach someone about Gods love and salvation, that individual first needs to want to repent from their fallen nature. If they don't want to leave their carnal nature, then your showing them of their error/s would only offend them. I would not go to someone who never left their carnal nature and tell them they are like a dog returning to their vomit, when they never left their vomit in the first place.
  15. I can agree with a progressive sanctification. I, however, cannot agree with an OSAS perspective which by teaching, automatically denies numerous scriptures which state we need to overcome our lower carnal natures.
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