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I totally agree with you there dad2. The events and 2nd gathering in Isaiah 11 are during the end of this current world order.

The time, times, and half a time (1,260 days) in Revelation 12:6 & 14, are the same (1) time, (2) times, and (1/2) half time, totaling 3.5 times event found in Daniel 7:25 and 12:7, which are about all the saints (both full blooded Jews and non full blooded Jews) during these end times. Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

You are 100% correct about those in the land of Israel mourning when they realize who the Lord their ancestors crucified is, which occurs when the Middle East is being desolated by the Abomination of desolation. But please context! We were discussing Isaiah 11 and 12, which includes the whole body of Christ (all who believe in Christs Way, both full blood and non full blood Jews), and you went to Zechariah 12:10, without posting the reference, as if this were what I what I was making reference to. Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

It's a remnant from spiritual Israel, which includes a remnant of full blooded Jews, who are among spiritual Israel, whom God will gather from the four corners of the world, and four winds of heaven.

Isaiah 11:11 tells of a second time God will gather His people. Isaiah 11:16, informs us that the first gathering was from Egypt, not Babylon. Keep in mind, Isaiah's time was prior to Israel's expulsion to Babylon, and so Isaiah 11:11 would not be referring to a 2nd gathering, if the return from Babylon represented the first gathering. Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

What I am seeing on some YouTube videos, is that many nations economies are on the brink of collapse (Argentina and China, among others). While the U.S. is currently not in this predicament;--when a number of these other nations economies collapse, exports from the U.S. to these collapsed economies will then also collapse, thereby putting the US economy on a much worse footing. As such, I then believe that todays current economic woes are a precursor to tomorrows new world order of the beast.

Hi again Rdj, While you believe Isaiah 12 is solely about full blood Jews; I on the other hand believe these to be composed of all who believe in the Way of Christ (the remnant survivors, including full blood Jews), whom the Lord shall have gathered from the four corners of the earth, and four winds of heaven, to place them in the desolated lands of Israel and other desolated Middle Eastern nations, following the Abomination of desolations carnage.

I suspect you are aware that during the first gathering of Israel from Egypt, that included among the Exodus were many others who were not physically born Jews, who were assimilated into the new nation to be. As such, how do you explain these non born of Jacob, Israelites, (including Moses' wife), being of Abraham?

Good morning Rdj, I don't know if all of the faith in Christ who believe in love, truth, and justice, get killed during the beasts 42 month reign, but it certainly is the vast majority, with only a remnant indicated coming away with their skins following the beasts 42 month reign. These remnant believing survivors (including a remnant of full blood Jews), are whom the beast, the false prophet and Satan will come to make war against in Armageddon (Revelation 16). This event occurs after the Lord has gathered these remnant believers from the four corners/winds of the earth, bringing them to the Middle East which will earlier have been desolated by the Abomination of Desolation. Revelation 14 (in retrospect to following chapters of Revelation), indicates the first harvest of the earth being they who believe in love, truth, and justice. I believe these faithful first harvest are those killed in Armageddon. The second harvest is of the nonbelieving, who are unloving, lying, and unjust, who are they in Revelation 16, who experience all of Gods wrath. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Remnant survivors is from all believers during the great tribulation, which will take many lives (Revelation 6:9-11). Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The first gathering was from Egypt (Isaiah 11:16). The second gathering is forthcoming. And this gathering consists of all circumcised in heart believers, that will include a remnant of full blood Jews. Isaiah 11:16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

In the end times, the Lords wrath will fall upon those who have persecuted the circumcised in heart Israel during the 3.5 times (1,260 days) tribulation period. This Israel are the gathered believers from the four corners of the earth, which will include a remnant of full blood Jews.

Your perspective negates Isaiah 65, which states the Lord will slay those to whom He has been stretching out His arms to all day long to observe Him, but who continuously ignore Him.

In Isaiah 65:17, the Lord states that He creates new heavens and a new earth, where the former world under Satan is no longer remembered, nor come into mind. So yes, Isaiah 65 is about the end times. Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

The Jews who turn from doing wrong, and become circumcised in their hearts into believing in doing right, the Lord shall forgive. This is the same for every individual. The Lord does not discriminate, and is not a respecter of persons (Romans 2:11). Inversely then, the Jews who do not turn from doing wrong, and remain uncircumcised in their hearts into believing in doing right, the Lord shall not forgive. Just like the Lord will do so for every other individual who is not circumcised in heart. Would the Lord not be preferential to the Jews, and a respecter of their hereditary, if He did otherwise? Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.