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They went from one extreme to another. First only hell preachings, here mainly done by the reformed churches. I had to read books for school from angry atheists who were mad at God and the church in the 80s and one made some porn movie. But he had one good point. He went back to his old house where he had lived w his parents and they had a sign on the wall with Love the Lord in English, but translated to Dutch with Serve the Lord. That summed it up quite right. Do this do that or else but no love. And now it's the opposite. Only slimy love. No warnings. Everything is fine. Our christian party, when we had a church we had to quit because from the little that came in they wanted taxes and we only had debts, but with covid they said: oh no those poor sex workers! They need an income now. And they got it.

Maybe the Dutch evangelical broadcast has to apologize to atheists for broadcasting these horrible programs.

He didn't really, but he said that's not God. I was reading an article from a guy who worked for that broadcast in the 90s. He said it has become horrible. Some who work there go to the gay pride because Jesus loves gays and you don't want them to see you as a bigot. I hadn't watched it in ages. I didn't know it had become so bad.

That guy? I don't even think that would be good enough and he doesn't believe God exists. He blames God for the suffering in the world, which is absurd. But he could blame me for not praying enough for the lost. Which he won't do and a sorry for that would be weird, so I said sorry to God and prayed for the lost. You can blame people like that for having such a big mouth, but had that church brought him to God as a kid he would now not have talked like that. So the rest of the church now has to fix that and pray that the country gets saved. And I was thinking, he said he wanted to hit God in the face, they already did that. Jesus is God.

Yeah I think they'd find it weird anyway and what use is it. Sorry is cheap especially if it's for someone else. Better just say sorry if you did something wrong yourself and then don't do it anymore and pray to God so He can heal our land and pray they get saved. if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. Now My eyes will be open and My ears attentive to prayer made in this place. II Chronicles 7:14‭-‬15 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/2ch.7.14-15.NKJV

No sorry I haven't seen it.

https://gebedstrijd.blogspot.com/2007/08/de-opwekking-van-nijkerk-1749.html?m=1 The revival of Nijkerk 1749 Theo Veldhuis In the Nijkerk of anno 1749 life goes on as usual. Most people work on the farmland and earn their living from the proceeds of the land and the cattle trade. There is unrest. Circumstances are not improving now that the cattle plague has broken out here and there, and the collapse of the tobacco industry forms a dark cloud over the Gelderland village on the edge of the Veluwe. Despite these setbacks, people seem unwilling to seek God. Oh yes, everyone attends the Dutch Reformed Church, but the Sunday suit disappears after the church service together with the spiritual life in the closet to be taken out again the following week. When the young reverend Gerardus Kuijpers takes over as pastor of the reformed church in Nijkerk in April 1749, it seems that he will have a tough task to lead the churchgoers in their life with God. Yet there is hope in his heart. Reports are coming from all over the world that God is bringing revival. Like a wave, the revivals are going all over the world. Several revivals have broken out in Scotland and England, led by John Wesley and George Whitefield. The first 'Great Awakening' has broken out in the United States, led by the famous theologian Jonathan Edwards, and George Whitefield is also involved. The young colonies on the east coast of America are being visited mightily by the power of God. The world is on fire for Jesus. And if it is up to Kuijpers, the Netherlands will soon be the turn of a supernatural visit from God. Gerardus Kuijpers was born on October 11, 1722. His parents are Godly people, who raise Gerardus in a life devoted to God. He was fascinated by spiritual matters from an early age and decided to study theology. The ancient Eastern languages in particular have his attention and he gets to know God's Word from those original languages. In 1744 he began his ministry as assistant pastor in the Reformed congregation of Amsterdam. Kuijpers enjoys the Bible. Day and night he sits in his study bent over God's Word and discovers that real life with God must be very different from what he sees around him. Kuijpers' sermons are penetrating and compelling and call on people to examine themselves and to break with sin. As a result, a small spiritual revival takes place in the church of Amsterdam. In the village of Jutphaas, Kuijpers is given the opportunity to lead a congregation himself. In the conversations he has with the old widow Mientje, Gerardus is prepared for the task that God has for him. He decides to surrender completely to God. It often happens that Kuijpers prepares his sermons, praying and struggling late into the night. When Kuijpers is called to 'Nieuwkerk' in 1749, he is aware of his dependence on the Holy Spirit and he often prays for a powerful working of God's Spirit in the hearts of the Nijkerkers. He is moved with the people, and sees the spiritual poverty that prevails, but feels powerless. Desperate, he continues to pray. Together with his colleague Roldanus, he calls the people to live a life in accordance with God's purposes, and slowly but surely the Spirit of God begins to work the hearts of the people. At the end of the summer of 1749, more and more people began to worry about their spiritual condition. Every meeting is defined by this question, "How can I be sure of my salvation?" Because the number of visitors is now increasing rapidly, Kuijpers decides something that is revolutionary in the existing church structure: he uses lay preachers (untrained preachers) at the house meetings, which are growing explosively in number. This garners a lot of criticism from his colleagues because at that time the pastor is supposed to do all the work. After all, he studied for it. His colleague Reverend Roldanus also criticizes this decision by Kuijpers, but because he sees the benefits in people, his criticism largely melts. Meanwhile, the house meetings have become the talk of the day. Services are even held in the pubs. Gerardus is amazed to see the people so busy with their salvation and when he comes home in the evening after a house meeting, he finds that all the rooms of his house are crowded with people who do not know where to go with their sins. It is November 17, 1749. Reverend Kuijpers preaches that Sunday about Psalm 72:16 - "Let corn be in the land in abundance; on the tops of the mountains his fruit ripples as on Lebanon, and the townspeople may flourish as the herb of the earth ." The church is full. People have come from all over. The Nijkerk disturbances have begun. While Kuijpers brings God's Word from Psalm 72, people everywhere begin to tremble and cry. The defeat resulting from a sense of sin is common. In the church, people begin to cry out for God's grace. The groaning and shouting is so great that Kuijpers can hardly make himself understood. During the later sermon discussion, everyone becomes convinced of sin. Some suddenly fall to the ground, as if they had succumbed to an unbearable burden. Others fall to their knees and weep aloud for their sins. There is a deep hunger for the quickening word of God. Kuijpers speaks about the working of God's Spirit in the human heart, and when he starts to read from the Bible, unstoppable howling breaks out. Can the people be delivered from their lofty sins? When Kuijpers gives the blessing to the people at the end of the service, a number of them fall to the ground. People can no longer speak because of their sense of sin. There is a spiritual battle raging for human souls. It goes on late into the night and people learn that there is redemption and forgiveness for sinners. Harvest time has now begun. Everything in Nijkerk is about to be totally transformed. Nick is changing. Instead of shouting and cursing, sounds of psalms and prayers come from every house. Children are quietly praying in a corner, and people everywhere are taking an interest in studying the Bible. Even in the pubs, people gather to seek God, until finally only one pub remains. There are the people who don't want to know anything about God. But here too things are going badly, because the majority of Nijkerk's population is inspired with a passion for God. The young people no longer talk about the annual fair and the gambling games. They seek God's will for their lives and go to the meetings. The church is crowded. Sometimes more than 2,500 people crowd together and the majority have to stand still. People come to Nijkerk from all over the country. The fire therefore spreads quickly to the surrounding villages and towns. Putten and Amersfoort also know the phenomena of revival and Reverend De Roy in Aalten can no longer make himself understood after a series of sermons about the rebirth due to the loud howling that can be heard from homes away. A revival also breaks out in Aalten. Kuijpers himself is not happy with the violent demonstrations taking place in the services. He would rather not have them, but he does not want to stand in God's way. "I wish I could reduce the tumult, but the conversion of souls has my full attention," he says in a response to his colleagues. Kuijpers is convinced that it is God's work. Who else would convert people so deeply? The movement is also finding international connections; Jonathan Edwards maintains contact with Kuijpers and invites him to join the circle of American and British pastors who regularly separate themselves for prayer and fasting for the expansion of God's kingdom. From the pulpit, however, there are often calls for calm, because Kuijper's conviction is that if the Word cannot be delivered, the tumult should not be accepted. A soft sigh and moan is the only audible sound. When in the course of 1750 the consistory decides to no longer allow the demonstrations, the services begin to run smoothly again, although deep sighs can still be heard now and then. However, this does not stop the revival. As with every work of God, there is also a lot of criticism of the events in Nijkerk. When Kuijpers writes a letter to his father about the events in the first month of the revival, this letter is copied and published by people. This creates a lot of criticism of the revival. Delegations of professors and ministers label the manifestations as work of the devil. The biggest critic claims that the throne of satan is set up in Nijkerk. Kuijpers loses some of his best friends due to his involvement in the revival. There are also people who try to copy the events in Nijkerk by also preaching about Psalm 72:16 or imitating the manifestations. This results in crazy scenes in a church in Hoogeveen, where the police have to be involved to restore order. This, of course, fuels the critics' fire. The commotion is great, but people continue to flock. The fire of God burns in the heart of the Netherlands. In 1753, however, it came to an end. By order of Stadholder William IV, the synod introduces a ban on 'expressions' (manifestations) in the Church. This step ensures that the revival fire no longer spreads, but slowly dies down.

My dad was an atheist. I once got a warning dream from God. I had a dream that I was sitting at a table at a terrace in the city, drinking coffee with my mom and dad. Was quite young then. We were on our way to a church. My mom was very soft. She never got mad. She didn't tell you to knock it off. She couldn't. So as a teen I could be quite disrespectful to her and she would just take that and let me. So I dreamed that I said something rude to her while drinking coffee and then my dad got sad and disappointed and didn't want to go to church anymore, because I treated her like that. It was a warning. I listened to it. She said that God had told her that he first had to believe in her before he could believe in Him. We're His ambassadors and His letter to the world.

Maybe you are not, but you can say sorry for others. Michael Brown said about how the church has persecuted the Jews through the ages: our hands are stain with blood. I never followed Luther who wrote that stuff but still some officials from the church can say sorry for it. Daniel prayed: We have sinned. He hadn't even sinned. He prayed for others. I have said sorry myself to atheists who were accusing God for being uninterested. Hey you're accusing the wrong Person. He wanted to give revival in this country decades ago but the church wouldn't let Him and I'm part of it. We prayed for revival. We prayed for the lost. People from church refused and were irritating. I took offense and we quit praying. That's sin. I do believe God can bring them back and they have their own responsibility too, but still if that church had brought that kid to God he would now not have been atheist. How can they believe without a preacher? How preach without being sent? I pray God opens his eyes. That man is on my prayer list now.

The best program I have seen here on tv was in the 90s on a super unchristian broadcast that normally had programs about sex and drugs and they invited a very good preacher. I was in his church a few years. He sat at a table with a bunch. One was a sexuologist, one was guy dressed as a woman and some other totally unchristian people, but he just did it and then 2 German yodel singers came over to yodel. It was absurd. But one was blind in one eye or something and he prayed for her and she got healed instantly. It was terrific.

I hadn't watched their stuff in years. We have 1 christian broadcast, this one. I looked at the other stuff they have in their playlist. There is good stuff about someone who got saved and changed, but that was just all there was in the 90s and now.. it's quite shocking. I didn't know it was that bad. An interview from another guy with a pornstar who talks about how she lost her fake breasts and he's nodding. Oh golly girl. This broadcast used to be super uptight. People made fun of it in the 80s. Now they try to be hip and seeker sensitive.

It's an outreach to him. They also had another program with VIPs and one guy, an athlete, was very interested and he could ask questions to different groups of christians. Later he got saved. That was funny. He said: Why can't they come up with one story? This one says this. That one says that. Why don't you just come together and say: hey this is the story. That would be so much easier.

If the pope would apologize and declare his mom holy he'd come with his whole family. It's an actor btw. Didnt even know. I never watch that stuff. Anyway thanks to this program he's on my prayer list. I had to cry. I always get these types on my heart. He played in a horrible movie in the 80s or 90s. I watch funny comedians at times and then pray for them, but I never watch an actor like this well until today thanks to the Adieu God program. At least they do something.

I just saw a tv program from the evangelical broadcast here called Adieu God (Goodbye God) in which they talk with Dutch actors, comedians whatever about why they left God. This was an interview with a filmmaker. He used to be catholic. Was raised catholic, but when he was 12 he had to go to the deacon to help in the church service and he said: you're too late and BAM smacked him in the face hard and he left his costume there and went home and never returned and his parents understood. His mom had to stop his dad who jumped on his bike wanting to smack that deacon. His dad lost his faith, so his mom prayed even more, he said. He was now atheist and sure that God didn't exist and why all the suffering. If he would go to heaven he would smack God in the face. You're allowed to say that on Dutch tv. Oyyyyy. That interviewer stayed really calm and said: Can you forgive? Hmm that's hard but yes if someone wrongs me and says sorry I can forgive them. He said: What if the pope said he was sorry for that smack you got? Oh yes great. What if the pope pronounced your mom holy? He would go to the service with the whole family and he would even serve there if he had to. That's the Dutch evangelical broadcast. It made me think. Shouldn't the church or some pastors or reverends or priests who represent it say sorry to atheists for stuff like this? Our king said sorry to Surinam for the slavery. Atheists don't even ask for money. Just as a recognition.

No I think they just used some random name. This is someone else. I looked it up cause I thought: oh maybe you're right and he really is a scientist or there is a scientist with that name into parallel universes, but I can only find that doctor. That would be really funny if one played along. Sometimes they use a real important person.

We had this with family gatherings. My BIL was in IT or ICT, fixed the computers and such, so then you get: how's work? How are you doing? Oh nice. It goes well. I painted a nice map. And then he starts to talk about his job and you get all these blank stares, but at least you act a bit interested and say oh nice.

The guy is just an actor. This is a really stupid Dutch humor program, but I think it's hilarious. They make fun of serious programs like this that really exist. The joke is that there never comes a follow up. They are too dumb and uninterested to know what he's talking about. He tries to explain it simple with Duplo and then the host gets enthusiastic. Oh LEGO! NO Duplo. Even that he has wrong. Then he starts to play with it. The guy talks about space and she says: oh do you need space in a relationship? He dismisses that nonsense and goes on and then she laughs dumb and says: yeah but who cares about your stupid little universe? At the end she walks away and the host guy is interested and asks him about foundations (it made the scientific world shake on its foundations) and he talks about quantum mechanics and then she calls him Bob! Oh gotta go! So they let that supposed scientist do all that effort to come in their show only to cut him off and belittle him because they're too stupid and uninterested. I just like these blank stares cause I have no clue what he was talking about either.

A Jewish rabbi Tovia Singer who always debates christians and debated Michael Brown said that Jesus was so unsympathetic to the pharisees. He said it can't be that they were that evil. Because if they saw that He rose from the dead they would have said: oh no! We were wrong! That gives me hope for him.

No not everyone is unresponsive hard. Everyone who gets saved needs a miracle but that is not unresponsive hard. Unresponsive hard is the wayside. Yes He takes the heart of stone out of us and gives us a heart of flesh. That's hard. But unresponsive hard is when someone can't repent anymore and sinned against the Spirit or fell back in wilfull sin and crucifies Him again. 1 Timothy 4 Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron Hebrews 6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[c] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. Matthew 13 Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.” The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares 24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I [b]should heal them.’ Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. John 2:23‭-‬25 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.2.23-25.NKJV Daniel 5 But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him. 21 Then he was driven from the sons of men, his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild donkeys. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till he [l]knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses. 22 “But you his son, Belshazzar, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this. 23 And you have [m]lifted yourself up against the Lord of heaven. They have brought the vessels of [n]His house before you, and you and your lords, your wives and your concubines, have drunk wine from them. And you have praised the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone, which do not see or hear or know; and the God who holds your breath in His hand and owns all your ways, you have not glorified. 24 Then the [o]fingers of the hand were sent from Him, and this writing was written. 25 “And this is the inscription that was written: [p]MENE, MENE, [q]TEKEL, [r]UPHARSIN. 26 This is the interpretation of each word. MENE: God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it; 27 TEKEL: You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting Isaiah 65 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts; A people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; Who sacrifice in gardens, And burn incense on altars of brick; Who sit among the graves, And spend the night in the tombs; Who eat swine’s flesh, And the broth of abominable things is in their vessels; Who say, ‘Keep to yourself, Do not come near me, For I am holier than you!’ These are smoke in My nostrils, A fire that burns all the day. Thus says the Lord: “As the new wine is found in the cluster, And one says, ‘Do not destroy it, For a blessing is in it,’ So will I do for My servants’ sake, That I may not destroy them all. I will bring forth descendants from Jacob, And from Judah an heir of My mountains; My elect shall inherit it, And My servants shall dwell there. Isaiah 65:2‭-‬5‭, ‬8‭-‬9 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/isa.65.2-9.NKJV The elect are the ones who don't say I'm holier than Thou.

I once read it very quick because I wasn't sure if it was good. I vaguely remember that it looked like Jesus was a created being and I think that's when I stopped reading.

I read it once and didn't really like it. They think it's not the original. I don't think it's bad. It's just not a cosy story LOL. Atheists have accused me of being a New Testament sugar christian. They did have a point. I still tend to read the Bible like Corrie ten Boom did when she was 4 years old. Her dad read the Bible at the dinner table and it was all cute and fun. LOL he just skipped all the not so neat texts.

It's all bad, left and right. Stay in the middle. I've been called a libtard once. I thought that was rather funny. It was because the christian party in Holland is quite left and socialist according to sharing money and taking care of the poor, but they are anti abortion and pro Israel.

They make fun of those stupid tv programs we have in which someone who really has something to say is silenced, but I thought it was so hilarious because I have no idea either what he's talking about and he stays so friendly.