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Marcus O'Reillius

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  1. Marcus O'Reillius
    More truth in advertising... Concerning Phil 3:20 - For our citizenship is in heaven... Citizenship is not a possession which can be stored. It refers to where you belong, the rights, duties, and privileges thereof as a member there as a citizen with obligations and functions. We are to be members of Heaven being citizen there. We will be Priests.
  2. Marcus O'Reillius
    1. If there is no such thing, then why does Paul teach it and tell us in 1Th 4:18 to encourage one another with this news? 2. Oops! You said: "clearly"! So! Since it's so clear ~ perhaps you can quote the verse which clearly states we change WITH THE 7th Trumpet of God's Wrath. (Yeah, I know you're going to quote me the "last trumpet" Paul mentions - so smart guy: where does God say that the 7th Trumpet, a numbered trumpet announcing God's Wrath blown by an Angel is the same as the named trumpet assembling God's people blown by Jesus?) If it's so clear ~ you won't have any problem with that...
  3. Marcus O'Reillius
    Truth in advertising... Again: we always have to check what you say. Concerning 2Co 5:2-3 That's not what Paul said. ...the dead will be raised imperishable... 1Co 15:52 ~ and referencing what Paul wrote to the Thessalonians in 1Th 4:16-17 - that happens to the Dead in Christ, raised from Paradise, the bosom of Abraham (Luke 16) on the Day of the Lord, NOT the Great White Throne Judgment over a thousand years later. And you say that you present the TRUTH of the Bible. And you say that I believe a Satanic lie. I say you're all wet.
  4. Marcus O'Reillius
    What do you mean - "That hurts, right?" I give you no power to hurt me. You can do whatever you want to do. Sometimes, depending on what you do, you can even do it again; and then again, other times you can't! Perhaps you are adding to my text? Is this a guessing game? I don't know, but we will see how you change the text later on in this post... Who says I have to convince them? Who says they are the arbiters of what constitutes the Great Tribulation? And who says that their suffering just because it's horrible makes their suffering THE Great Tribulation? Is their suffering more terrible than all the other forms of torture used throughout the millennia by man against man, woman and child? Was their suffering inflicted in accordance with Revelation 13:14-17? No? What about Mt 24:15? No? Well then - it's not part of the Great Tribulation! Who said anyone was captured? I said: killed. How do you go from killed to captured? Where in conjunction with the Great Tribulation in the Olivet Discourse did Jesus say the Elect were just captured? Where, in conjunction with the talking image and the two laws of Rev 13:15-17 does it say to capture those who transgress? Ah, this must be a reading thing of yours... You did not comment on my teaching of Revelation 14:14-16 being followed by Revelation 14:17-20. You didn't even examine them. You glossed right over them. You didn't even include them in your reply. That is showing contempt prior to investigation. These verses show Rescue then Wrath. If you want to say the Rapture does not come before Wrath and you only follow teaching that is included in the WORD of God - but ignore that portion of the WORD of God that includes it - then you get what you got. Revelation 14 is not the only place this concept of Rescue-then-Wrath is demonstrated in God's WORD. Going from the detailed parallel account of the one 'seven' in Revelation chapters 13-16 inclusive, we'll go back to the broad overview of the Seal/Scroll account in Revelation chapters 4-11 (exclusive of 11:1-13) - where the Great Multitude show up in Heaven before the first Trumpet of God's Wrath goes forth (in conjunction with the Day of the Lord's Wrath). SO - there are two places in the book of Revelation where what Paul wrote, and what Jesus said is true. We, the wheat, are rescued to the barn of Heaven and then God's Wrath falls on the wicked, the ones left behind; the tares - and they are burned in the field of this world.
  5. Marcus O'Reillius
    Go ahead. Bother. Let's see your truthful interpretation...
  6. Marcus O'Reillius
    That's quite an assumption you make from reading. Now what is happening to Christians in certain parts of the world is not The Great Tribulation. That unequaled time - according to Jesus - and not you - only begins with the (midpoint) abomination of Daniel (9:27). In Revelation, the Lord reveals to John that this period starts with TWO LAWS passed with the unveiling of the talking image of a beast of a man - the King of the North, i.e., the anti-Christ in chapter 13. The Great Tribulation, which will never be equaled, sealing its definition as a specific and unique event in prophetic end-time events, is shortened, so that not all life, and that is further defined by those lives that are in jeopardy: the Elect - are killed. The Great Tribulation is shortened by the arrival of the "unknown Day": the Day of the Lord. And here we see Rescue and then Wrath in chapter 14 - which I showed you before so you would not be ignorant. However, you chose to reject any teaching besides your own thoughts.
  7. Marcus O'Reillius
    There is nothing that will so insure a man to remain in ignorance than contempt prior to investigation. This is a modern version of the British philosopher, William Paley, whose book Evidences of Christianity contains the following sentence: “Contempt prior to examination is an intellectual vice, from which the greatest faculties of mind are not free.” Paley was writing about Romans who scoffed at early Christianity. Actually, Pre-Wrath derives from the sequence of events laid out in linear, prophetic narratives. Now I do read what you write, but so far, I can't say I agree with any of it. Your doctrine seems very strange to me. I see where you start, and how you compile it, and I am amazed at how you gloss over errors and read Scripture as only you can so as to get the conclusions you draw from it. So your opinion of my eschatology matters little to me because you can't even take the time to examine it so as to lend a constructive critique. As I have done with the parable of the wheat and tares, showing how my interpretation meets with the wording and is buttressed by prophecy in Revelation.
  8. Marcus O'Reillius
    It's been given to you. You don't get it. “For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.” (2Co 5:2-3) – the body we have now versus the body we will have. “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;” (Phil. 3:20) “…because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth,” (Col. 1:5) `Therefore holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling…` (Heb. 3:1) “…to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,” (Heb. 12:23) `…to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you…` (1 Peter 1:4) “…who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.” (1 Peter 3:22) – in conjunction with John 14:2-3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. (Rev 5:3) – proving men are able to be taken to Heaven. “After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God;” (Rev 19:1) We are in Heaven after we are taken up in the Rapture coincidental with the Day of the Lord which comes when no one knows with the breaking of the sixth Seal, Rev 7:9-17: A Multitude from the Tribulation After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb. And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen. Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from? I said to him, My lord, you know. And he said to me, These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His  temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes. God the Father's abode is in the Temple in Heaven - Rev 4:2, 11:19, 15:5 - it does not move around and it is never found on the earth, His footstool, as you have it in your head. keras can no more see Heaven than he can get it through his head that Isaiah 30:26 doesn't describe the sun exploding when the prophet uses the figurative denotation of Heavenly (7) for the sun shining brightly - ON A DAY GOD HEALS.
  9. Marcus O'Reillius
    That depends on how you take it. Rev 5:10 - reign on the earth (KJV); reign upon the earth (NASB); or as you put it: reign over the earth. All three ways of translating epi (Strong's G1909) are correct, however, each carries a different denotation, connotation, and meaning as that can shape one's eschatology for this time period. Only one is correct, however, that final determination will be experienced and we cannot know for sure which that is until then. In my eschatology, or, IMHO, we reign over the earth from Heaven. There are several reasons for this: We are pictured in Heaven before the Father in Revelation 7:9-17 coincidental with the Day of the Lord's signature sign of the sixth Seal's sun/moon/star sign (also in Mt 24:29). Heaven is our natural abode as delineated in the Epistles and Revelation. - Phl 3:20; Col 1;5; Heb 3:1, 12:23; 1Pe 1:4, 3:22 (in conjunction with Jn 14;2-3); Rev 19:1 There is no division of the land in Ezekiel which lists immortal people who are like or greater than Angels. Having immortal and imperishable people living alongside mortal and perishable people who can still sin doesn't make sense... why add corrupting influence to perfect communion with God? The admonition of Rev 18:4 comes to mind to leave the presence of such people who sin. The whole world rebels against God's Rule after the Millennium; we cannot be part of that if we are truly saved - as we will be. That rebellion comes against God's "camp" at Jerusalem, which suggests as the word is used for temporary abodes, that it is not our permanent dwelling place.
  10. Marcus O'Reillius
    Leave the strike-through. It suits your post well. And I have given you Revelation 7:9-17 a dozen times and still you can't see. Just like I have tried to get you to see the fallacy of saying the sun burst forth in flame burning a third of the earth on a day God heals those whom He has inflicted with the desolations contained on the Scroll - and you still can't get it.
  11. Marcus O'Reillius
    Nothing specific on Scripture? My lack of ability? Reading into the text because I don't want to suffer? Do you understand anything I said? Do you even understand what Pre-Wrath is about? Do you understand that patient endurance will be required during the Great Tribulation? Seriously... seeking the lost - you're really not going to be able to help them.
  12. Marcus O'Reillius
    Revelation 14:1-16. He is on the ground, as an Angel said in Acts 1:11 and as Zechariah foretold in 14:4 with the 144,000 just as they come before the Great Multitude in the sixth Seal opening with the broad overview of the Seals and Scroll - and before the very same Harvest from the clouds as is in the Olivet Discourse and which Paul taught upon. And yes, the return is made. In fact, Jesus is completely able to transverse between realms at will. And His Army, the 144,000 follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
  13. Marcus O'Reillius
    Before we get into keras' fantasy realm of living like Israelis: There is Scripture to support it, and There is reason for it - the earth is about to experience several desolations once the wheat is taken to the barn of Heaven.
  14. Marcus O'Reillius
    Yes! I absolutely question your reading skills! Jesus "reaping" the earth - LIFTS up those who are alive and remain (after the Great Tribulation begun in Rev 13:15) to join those He brings with them from the grave ON THE CLOUDS! That is what Paul explains. And those who do so are the second to be with Jesus: the Dead in Christ precede them, and come with Jesus when He arrives - on the clouds! Rapture: Harvest of the Wheat: Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand. And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe. Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped. The Harvest from the cloud is exactly what Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse, and what Paul taught the Thessalonians. THEN: Wrath - burning the tares, literally - in the field of this world! And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe. So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles. This marries with Mt 13 where the tares are collected - to be burned - and the wheat is taken to the barn (of Heaven) just as the Great Multitude show up IN HEAVEN before the first Trumpet of God's Wrath - which includes fire as the first element - goes forth to bring desolation upon the earth where the arrogant and proud defy God. Blood, another element of the Day of the Lord is revealed here to in conjunction with the fire as is expressed in Rev chapter 8 with the first Trumpet as well. Pre-Wrath gets the order right, and it is the only eschatological system of thought which is in harmony with Scripture holistically, and does not rely on a single passage or verse, or even a word. (i.e., like those who just shout "Last means last", and then proceed to think they know when the Day of the Lord will come - on the "last" day of the one 'seven'.)
  15. Marcus O'Reillius
    Reading skill? To be burned. The tares are collected to be burned in the field of this world. The tares start and end in the world. The wheat is gathered unto the barn (of Heaven - not of this world). The tares could not be individually picked out from the wheat without harming the wheat - fact. SO: the tares cannot be burned wholesale in the field where the wheat remains -in your reading- without again harming the wheat. Since the wheat is harvested, no harm should come to the crop. We are not to suffer God's Wrath as Paul says in 1Th 1:10: ...and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come. The midpoint of the one 'seven' abomination spoken of by Daniel happens. Then there is the Great Tribulation. Which is shortened by the sun/moon/star event heralding the Day of the Lord - (tie in to the sixth Seal). The Resurrection of the Dead in Christ comes about with the Last Trumpet (a named Trumpet blown by God). Jesus comes on the clouds with those Resurrected from Paradise. Jesus with those Saints harvests the wheat: the Rapture of the Elect who remain and are left after the shortened Great Tribulation. Then the Wrath of God comes on the second half of the Day of the Lord with the first Trumpet (a numbered Trumpet blown by an Angel). And the subsequent Wrath of God happens until the final battle of the one 'seven' at Armageddon. I can provide references for each event from the Olivet Discourse, the broad overview of the Seals and the Scroll in Revelation in Rev 4-11 (exclusive), Paul's explanation in 1st Thessalonians, and the detailed parallel account of just the one 'seven' in Rev 13-16 (inclusive).
  16. Marcus O'Reillius
    You are using "tribulation" for the one 'seven'. The Great Tribulation as defined by Jesus in Mt 24 is not the same as the one 'seven' in Daniel 9:27. The Resurrection of the Dead in Christ (not Martyrs) happens on the Day of the Lord before God's Wrath comes in the second half of the one 'seven.'
  17. Marcus O'Reillius
    And that small part, which you myopically focus on to the exclusion of anything else, is not all there is to the nature of the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ ~ who also include OT and NT Saints who did not lose their head when they died.
  18. Marcus O'Reillius
    Sure it does, but not if you read an English translation which confuses the two words. The wheat is GATHERED. The tares are COLLECTED. Check your Greek. They're different verbs. The WHEAT is GATHERED to the barn of Heaven and then the TARES are collected to be burned in the field of this WORLD.
  19. Marcus O'Reillius
    No, John does not PRONOUNCE the First Resurrection as a statement of FACT until ALL who are part - are made alive in new, immortal, and imperishable bodies - like the Great Multitude who are raised with the sixth Seal's Day of the Lord before the fifth Seal Martyrs number is completed with the Two Witnesses.
  20. Marcus O'Reillius
    Context, context, context. It's missing in your viewpoint. Those made alive are the Martyrs; the martyrs are not all who are part of the First Resurrection.
  21. Marcus O'Reillius
    You might as well have said: CLEARLY. Genesis and Ecclesiastes are NOT eschatological answers to where we reside. Context, context, context. And your flippant response? No. The Elect in Heaven are not the proud and arrogant destined for God's Wrath.
  22. Marcus O'Reillius
    Could Matthew 24:23-25 (false Christ) is being fulfilled today? No. Because the prerequisite events, the midpoint abomination of Daniel 9:27 and the Great Tribulation, have not yet come to pass. (And: "Could ~ is being fulfilled?" One would ordinarily think an Englishman could use his native language better than that example. LOL)
  23. Marcus O'Reillius
    There are five times the Bible mentions two Resurrections. The first is only for the Living, or Righteous/Saved - and the second gathers all who had lived: Living and Dead, or Righteous and Wicked. First Second Daniel 12:1 Daniel 12:2 Mt 13:24-30 Mt 13:47-50 Mt 24:31 Mt 25:32-33; 46 John 5:24 John 5:28-29 Rev 7:9-17; 14:1-4; 20:4-5 Rev 20:11-12; 15 They are always presented in the same order: First for the only the Living; the Second for both Living and Dead (Spiritually speaking; most all of them have died except for the Elect in the Rapture.) Paul says we are to be saved before the coming of God's Wrath. Jesus said we, the Elect, will be saved after (the midpoint of the one 'seven' with) the abomination spoken of by Daniel, and after the shortened Great Tribulation. Neither places the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of those who remain and are still alive after the Millennium Reign of Jesus.
  24. Marcus O'Reillius
    That is a restricted reading. Now when comparing the epilogue of Revelation, after the one 'seven' is finished at Armageddon, we can go to the broad overview in chapters 4-11 (exclusive), where with the Seals we find the Martyrs in the fifth Seal who must wait until their number is complete. That is fulfilled by the death and taking up of the Two Witnesses coincidental with the end of the one 'seven' in the sidebar excluded from the broad overview in 11:1-13. The resurrection of the Dead in Christ Paul alludes to in 1Th 4:16, along with the Rapture of those who remain and are left after the Great Tribulation nearly wipes out the Elect, are reflected in the Great Multitude arrayed the Father in Heaven in His Temple with the passage of the Day of the Lord, which begins at the sixth Seal. The Great Multitude is heard cheering on our Champion, Jesus, on the eve of the final battle of the one 'seven' in Revelation chapter 19. So, it is NOT "only those that are raised to reign with Christ" - but the final addition to the Great Multitude who DO reign with Jesus as Priests for the Millennium.
  25. Marcus O'Reillius
    Well, I think you've subtracted from the Word... Sorry the first Resurrection, before the Millennium, mentioned six times but not to be added sequentially, and the only time we find that is in Revelation chapter 20.
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