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That is the rapture, His coming in the clouds "after the tribulation of those days" That day will not come, says Paul, until there has come a falling away and Antichrist is revealed who "opposes everything called god" That is persecution YOU, he will oppose YOU and sit in the temple declaring that he is himself God...who the Lord will destroy by the breath of His nostrils So Christ comes at the end of Ac's career not the beginning

People get tangled up because they will not accept what the scripture says Jesus said "after the tribulation of those days....they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory" There are not multiple comings of Christ in the clouds...

This is the bible order

...if that is what you want to believe...I leave you to that

"After the tribulation of those days....they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory" There are not multiple comings of the Lord in the clouds...it is 2. Thess. 2. ...haves to go by what He says

What He says is some of you they will put to death...it is not easy to be a Christian in China...we are saved from God's wrath, we are not saved from tribulation/persecution The rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation of those days....Jesus said that.

And Lu. 21.16. says And ye shall be betrayed both by parents and brethren and kinsfolk and friends and some of you shall they cause to be put to death 17 and ye shall be hated of all men for my names sake. so there is a balance to what you are saying, all these things take place before the rapture.

Predestiny is to be conformed to the image of God's dear Son [glory to God] For that we must first be saved But it does not preclude others from being saved

We will ALL be there, look here, does it depend on being perfect? then no-one will make it, if imperfections will stop us, well what grade of imperfection will that be? or to what level of perfection must we attain? Will those who sleep in Christ be watching for Him? with the virgins remember they ALL slumbered and slept "He will gather His elect...." when were we elected?

Tribulation is not wrath God will remove us from His wrath....but through much tribulation we must enter the Kingdom Tribulation = persecution

The Lord's coming is the END of Antichrist not the beginning, he will have reigned a bit while the church is still as yet ungathered.

more happens at the coming of the Lord than the gathering for He will destroy Antichrist, and all those who come up with him. It is the beginning of the day of the Lord. It seems clear to me that the rapture is to save us from the wrath, but that is also why Israel is to be gathered...fully gathered. Big mistake to believe that Israel is to suffer in the Trib.....Jeremiah 30 says they will dwell in safety...Daniel says Michael will stand up for them and deliver them. The church goes through the Trib, not Israel. Tribulation = trouble not wrath. "...they will put you to tribulation.....in the world you will have tribulation.....through much tribulation must we enter the Kingdom of Heaven" Tribulation is persecution, the Great Tribulation is the Great Persecution

Tribulation means trouble....not wrath, When Herod heard about Christ being born he was troubled and all Jerusalem with him, the great tribulation is the great persecution Jesus warned about at the end of the age. ...ah the western church is not prepared, the Chinese church is prepared

Jesus was a post tribulation preacher There are not multiple comings in the clouds with great power and glory, trumps and gatherings The one spoken of by Jesus in the "little apocalypse" is the one spoken about in 2.Thess.2. "AFTER the tribulation of those days.....they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory...He will send His angels to gather the elect." Pre trib doctrine was foisted upon the church by Darby, rejected by British theologians but accepted by American theologians.

If you believe in the Millennium age [and I do] then there will be a new heavens and a new earth...if we's destined for heaven [and we are] then who all will inherit the earth?

You have to balance what Jesus said about the strait gate with other statements like "many shall come from the east and the west and sit at table with Abe Ike and Jake" ....the multitude that no man could number Was the Lord even speaking about salvation? Peter said "Lord will few be saved?" it is like when Peter looked at John and said "Lord what about this man?" Jesus said "never mind about that, that is not your business, YOU follow Me" So when Peter aksed if few be saved He says "YOU seek to enter in at the strait gate" Wow look at that !! If we will seek to enter in at the strait gate friends we will be in the place where God can use us, like He used Billy Graham, Corrie ten Boom and others Many folks saved but they still in the broad road, still in the world and God cain't use them....but they are saved, thank God for that Ma