When Is Jesus Coming?

Yes Saturday or Sunday is your special day.

No I follow Jesus, that guy and others just happen to understand God's calendar given to Moses. As do I.

16:47 Saturday, 4 November 2017 (GMT+2) Sunset in Jerusalem, Israel 30 minutes to go!

No, the Sabbath starts at sunset tonight Jerusalem time: https://guidetothebible.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/guide_v2017calendar_year5988_2018.pdf

The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar However this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752): https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9 The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar However this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar The earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_week Although timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9 Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9 This matches Torahcalendar.com: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10 Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10 But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar Therefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented by the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed? If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat

The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar However this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752): https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9 The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar However this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar The earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_week Although timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9 Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9 This matches Torahcalendar.com: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10 Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10 But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar Therefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed? If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat

The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar However this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752): https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9 The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar However this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar The earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_week Although timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9 Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9 This matches Torahcalendar.com: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10 Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10 But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar Therefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed? If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat

The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar However this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752): https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9 The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar However this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar The earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_week Although timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9 Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9 This matches Torahcalendar.com: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10 Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY: http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10 But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendar Therefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed? If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all of this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat

Between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced the old eight-day Roman nundinal calendar with the new seven-day week. Our earliest evidence for this new system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_weekYet the modern calendar says it was a Wednesday:https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9Julius Caesar was not Jewish (or a Christian!) Nor was the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes who invented the Julian calendar! Does anyone here understand this? Can anyone prove our current seven day week matches the Israelite's week from the Bible? No you can't can you.

Between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced the old eight-day Roman nundinal cycle with the new seven-day week. Our earliest evidence for this new system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_weekYet the modern calendar says it was a Wednesday:https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9Julius Caesar was not Jewish (or a Christian!) Nor was the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes who invented the Julian calendar! Does anyone here understand this? Can anyone prove our current seven day week matches the Israelite's week from the Bible? No you can't can you.

The Jubilee was every 50th year and the Bible has all the dates: https://guidetothebible.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/guidechronologylatest1.pdf

That made me laugh, thank you.

Jesus read this in the jubilee year of His ministry (The favourable year of the Lord): Luke 4 17and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” 20Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” Jesus stopped short of reading the next line: Isaiah 61 and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, This is the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord. Which will also happen on a Jubilee year because Jubilee was when the slaves were set free, which was a prophetic foreshadowing of when God's people will be set free. Therefore 29AD + 20 Jubilee's = 2029AD

The last Trump refers to the prophetic Day of Trumpets which was usually held on the 1st of Tishri which is when the new moon was seen from Jerusalem on the 7th month from Aviv. However, this is not the actual last trump because every 50th year was Jubilee, when the slaves were set free, (another prophetic foreshadowing of the day God's people will be set free). Every Jubilee was announced by the blowing of trumpets but not on day 1 month 7 but on day 10 month 7 (The Day of Atonement): Leviticus 25 8“ ‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land.10Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan. This is when the last trump will happen and Jesus returns on the clouds.

(He's not listening/accepting it though) I agree Jesus declared a Jubilee year in Luke 4:19. In fact this was on the Day of Atonement (year 4000 AM Jubilee year). Leviticus 25:8-11 “‘Count off seven Sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven Sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. Instead of Tishri 1 being new year, in a jubilee year it was announced on day 10 (Atonement) when the trumpets where blown. (this is actually a prophetic foreshadowing of the 'last trump' when Jesus will return on this day and every eye will see Him coming on the clouds). Now I believe Jesus read from Isaiah on 7th October 29AD— Day 10 month 7—Day of Atonement and announced Jubilee, so we agree the timing of this more or less. However God has not stopped Jubilees as it's still His reckoning of time. Man may ignore this but it is always there just as time is always there. It has nothing to do with whether Israel celebrate it or not. Jubilees were there even before Israel existed. It's one of the ways God measures time, just like with his Calendar as well. Adding 50 x 40 = 2000 years to this comes to 2029-2030 AD when Jesus will return at Jubilee on the 6000th year - A year of very GREAT significance. As you said your self nothing really happened in 1989. This means the tribulation will begin in 2022 - not long to go!

Well apart from not addressing anything in my last post refuting your poor interpretation of the three sources you posted to me (which shows a total disregard for the debating process and a lack of respect to the other party), you now refuse to debate this at all. Mmmm it's little wonder why so much of you time line is wrong. That said I do respect what you have tried to achieve, it is no small task trying to work out what date it really is but as I said in my other post; this year is not 5993 AM as you think. The tribulation has not begun and everyone can clearly see that. Prima facie.

Imperator means commander Imperator as an imperial title[edit] After Augustus established the Roman Empire, the title imperator was generally restricted to the emperor, though in the early years of the empire it would occasionally be granted to a member of his family. As a permanent title, imperatorwas used as a praenomen by the Roman emperors and was taken on accession. After the reign of Tiberius, the act of being proclaimed imperator was transformed into the act of imperial accession. In fact, if a general was acclaimed by his troops as imperator, it would be tantamount to a declaration of rebellion against the ruling emperor. At first the term continued to be used in the Republican sense as a victory title but attached to the de facto monarch and head of state, rather than the actual military commander. The title followed the emperor's name along with the number of times he was acclaimed as such, for example IMP V ("imperator five times"). In time it became the title of the de facto monarch, pronounced upon (and synonymous with) their assumption. NB: After the reign of Tiberius, the act of being proclaimed imperator was transformed into the act of imperial accession. See you have misunderstood the situation. It was only after Tiberius' reign that the act of being proclaimed imperator was transformed into the act of imperial accession. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperator And as for your sources you need to read them with that in mind: 37 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/55*.html#6.4 p395 4 Besides doing this, Augustus granted money to the soldiers, not as to victors, though he himself had taken the title of imperator and had also conferred it upon Tiberius, but because then for the first time they had Gaius taking part with them in their exercises. 5 So he advanced Tiberius to the position of commander in place of Drusus, and besides distinguishing him with the title of imperator, appointed him consul once more, and in accordance with the ancient practice caused him to post up a proclamation before entering upon the office. NB: in accordance with the ancient practice Nothing here about co-regency just Imperator which was 'in accordance with the ancient practice' as explained in lazy old wiki. 38 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Suetonius/12Caesars/Tiberius*.html#21 21 1 Since the consuls caused a law to be passed soon after this that he should govern the provinces jointly with Augustus and hold the census with him, he set out for Illyricum on the conclusion of the lustral ceremonies;30 but he was at once recalled, and finding Augustus in his last illness but still alive, he spent an entire day with him in private. It says this happened just before Augustus death which was in 14AD and not in 9AD as you claim. More proof we are right. 39 New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14717b.htm There were no citations in your third link, just sources attached below. And I'm not wading through that lot as well to waste more of my time to prove you wrong again. You need to improve your research skills. Perhaps wade through it yourself and so if you can?

It's strange you think this when you believe Jesus will return on the 6000th year and God's plan is 7000 years because it means Jesus and God show up on Jubilee years. Jubilee years were when the slaves were set free in Israel, which was a prophetic foreshadowing of mankind being set free. Jesus' death was also on the 4000th year another Jubilee year when He set mankind free of his spiritual bondage. And it was the year of the Lord's favour as Isaiah says: Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, If it was every 49 years this wouldn't work out of course. (do the maths). Besides Leviticus 25:10 says quite clearly it is the 50th year: Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be a jubilee for you; each of you is to return to your family property and to your own clan.

The 'thing' that was renewed were constitutional powers not a co-regency. And that this took place in 13AD not 9AD. You are quite simply wrong. The reward for accepting the truth of a matter is greater than any feelings of having made a mistake. The truth shall set you free and put your time line right.

A Jubilee is every 50 years not 49. Abdicate is right on this point. But I do agree it is the year 5988. Bang ON!

What is lazy is not even bothering to read your own sources. It says nothing of the sort. What it does say is; So, from AD 4 to 6 Tiberius again campaigned in Germany. The follwing three years he spent putting down rebellions in Pannonia and Illyricum. After this he restored the Rhine frontier after Rome's defeat at the Varian disaster. In AD 13 Tiberius' constitutional powers were renewed on equal terms with those of Augustus, making his succession inevitable, as the elderly Augustus died in AD 14. No mention of being given a co-regency with Augustus, nothing about 9AD. Where did you get that from? All it says is that he had constitutional powers renewed on equal terms with those of Augustus in 13AD which made his SUCCESSION INEVITABLE, as August's died in 14AD . This article proves that Tiberius succession began in 14 AD just as we've been proving to you all along. Why are you making stuff up? And more to the point why don't you use the Bible dates or accept them?

I'm glad you see the a Muslim will be the Anti-Christ, on that we can agree, I also agree when you said: 'The Quran is the product of the diseased mind of a murderous warlord wherescripture is inspired by the One True God.' However, according to Mohammad it was the angel Gabriel who dictated the Quran to him but you and I both know that was not Gabriel, in fact it was Satan himself I believe, because the Quranic prophesy's are key to the strong delusion that Paul said is coming, and the lie that will be believed: 2 Thes 2:1 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie The most powerful force in Satan's armoury is belief and Satan has made a billion+ people believe that the Mahdi is coming and that Jesus will return to Earth by descending to Damascus to select the Mahdi. I also agree with what you said here; 'Satan wants the worship of mankind' Well Satan will have at least a billion+ worshippers straight away and more will believe when they see him performing wondrous signs like Jesus, in fact many faithful Christians will convert or at least fall away. This is the apostasy. And to all the agnostics and atheists this fake Jesus will be an ancient alien god, returning to one of his many planets to see how his 'offspring' are doing. That will collect even more worshippers. The world has been gradually programmed to accept aliens coming to earth to take over and that is what is going to happen at the begining of the 7 year tribulation that is just around the corner. Scientific Studies Confirm: “Crop Circles Are Made by Balls of Light”. Dr Eltjo Hasselhoffhttp://humansarefree.com/2011/08/scientific-studies-confirm-crop-circles.html

Apologies I meant to say: verse 6: the restrainer is the Faithful Church on Earth. Rather than the Spirit filled Church (there is a difference). I believe the faithful church will loose it's faith when they see Jesus return, because he will say the Christian history of him is wrong but the Muslim history of him is true. This fake Jesus, who will really be Satan, will also claim to be an extraterrestrial. He will then select the prophesied Muslim Mahdi, who will really be the AC. Do you know about Quranic prophesy and what it says about Jesus? I am guessing you are using the original Greek in your study of Thessalonians here: http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/2th2.pdf

Keras is right on this point: Tiberius co-ruling the country at all in fact under Augustus' direction Tiberius received the position of Quaestor which was a low ranking political position: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaestor Tiberius' reign was not made official till a month after Augustus death (19/8/14AD) when The Senate convened on 18 September 14AD to validate Tiberius's position as Princep and, as it had done with Augustus before, extend the powers of the position to him. Therefore the 15th year was from 18th September 28AD to 18th September 29AD. Historians take reigns from when they are made official, Luke would have done like wise and it matches the other two dates that the Bible gives. John 2:20 They replied, “It has taken forty six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” This was said to Jesus when He cleared the temple just before the first Passover of His ministry, history records Herod became king in 37 BC and Josephus records Herod began to rebuild the temple in his 18th year, which was therefore from 20 to 19 BC. Adding 46 years to this arrives at 27 to 28 AD and thus the 47th year in which this was said to Jesus was from 28 to 29AD. And lastly it ties in with this verse: Luke 3:23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. It can be known that Jesus was born on 11th September 3BC and therefore He turned 30 on the 11th September 29AD.

I agree with your time line more than Abdicates although both have there merits BUT I also see errors in them both. I think it's good that we are here to discuss the differences. As iron sharpens each others knowledge let the fun continue.