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    The Revelation events are not confined to a short window, they are past, present, and future.

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    2 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    Now G3568 is the judgment of this world: now G3568 shallthe prince of this world be cast out
     

    Strong’s Definitions

    †νῦν nŷn, noon; a primary particle of present time; "now" (as adverb of date, a transition or emphasis); also as noun or adjective “present or immediate”
     

    Outline of Biblical Usage 

    1. at this time, the present, now

    At circa 85 AD apostle John saw the vision of battle between angels and the devil for the ownership of heaven (Revelation 12).

    As soon as the dragon is cast out with their angels they will try to kill the woman (the jews). This has not happened in history.

    The sign of the Son of man

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    15 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    More info on the battle of the great day of God Almighty...

    In Joel 3:12 we hear of another valley, which is called the valley of Jehoshaphat which is located between the old temple mount and the Mount of Olives.

    The Lord says that here is the place he shall gather the heathen together round about, and here is the place that he shall judge them in Joel 3:11-14 “ Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord.12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.” By the way Jehoshaphat means the Lord Judges.

    Now listen to the next couple of verses in Joel 3:15-16 “The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.”

    That is the 6th seal sign we discussed earlier in our past studies. I believe this event marks the “fullness of the Gentiles” period as was spoken of by both Jesus and Paul. This is what I call the parting of 2 ways, where one way ends and another begins.

    We know by scripture that the nations shall be gathered together once again against Jerusalem, and we see signs of this taking shape even now. Zechariah chapter 14 is a good chapter to read concerning the coming of the Lord with all His saints. The Lord also speaks of a plague in Zechariah 14:12-13 

    "And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.”

    The flesh being consumed from off their bodies while they are still on their feet sounds like either nuclear war, or perhaps even an asteroid, or perhaps some other super natural power the Lord will consume them with.

    This turning ever man’s hand against his neighbor was also shown several times in scripture, like in the story of Gideon in Judges 7:22 “And the three hundred blew the trumpets, and the Lord set every man's sword against his fellow, even throughout all the host: and the host fled to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath.” And also here in Isaiah 19:2 “And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.”

    In a spiritual sense we are already seeing every man’s hand and sword against his neighbor as there are divisions in every country, every nation, governments, politics and religion. But no matter how it all plays out the slaughter is said to be great, and the Lord shall Glorify His Holy name in the sight of all peoples and nations.

    Isaiah 13:6-13 “ Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
    11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.”

    If you are still on earth with the rest of the world at the 6th seal you will hv been killed at the 5th seal already. 

     

    The Revelation events are not confined to a short window, they are past, present, and future.

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    8 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    Here is a prime example, many believe Satan and the spirit antichrist have not yet been cast out of heaven down to earth as of yet.  They believe This part of Revelation 12 is yet future….

    Revelation 12

    King James Version

    12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

    2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

    3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

    4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

    5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

    6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

    Revelation 12 is about the birth of Jesus and the Red dragon (Satan) trying to kill Jesus ( devour the child) as soon as he was born by Herod killing all the children during that time period.
     
    It also shows Christ ascending to heaven to the throne of God where he is to rule the nations with a rod of iron as is written.
     
    It shows Gods people fleeing into the wilderness after the Shepherd was smitten.
     
    And it shows the casting down of Satan to earth with all his angels at that same time.
     
    Jesus announced the casting out of Satan here…
     
    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
     
    Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
     
    And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
     

    This below also shows when Satan was cast down, and it also shows when the spirit of antichrist called “it” would be also cast down with him.

    Daniel 8:9-12

    King James Version

    9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

    10 And “it”waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and “it”cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 
    ( note Revelation 12:4

    And “his tail”drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth”)

    11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and “the place of the sanctuary was “cast down.”
    (Note Rev. 12 And prevailed not; neither was “their place found any more in heaven.)

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and “it”cast down the truth to the ground; and “it”practised, and prospered.”

    The little horn is the tail (spirit of antichrist) which is of the red Dragon (Satan) which is the spirit of a lie, also called the spirit of antichrist that was prophesied to come in Daniel above.

    Confirmed to had “already come”by the apostles…

    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is “that spirit”of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and “even now already is “it”in the world.”
     
    This spirit of antichrist was already present in “many decievers” and in “many false prophets”back then, and “it” is still present in “many deceivers”and in many “false prophets”even still today.
     
    The Devil, the beast, and the false prophet spirit of antichrist have been here all along, and people don’t even know it.
     
    Wake up!
     
     

     

    The battle between angels and the devil for the dominion in heaven will literally take place before the great tribulation.

    https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/227900-woman-of-revelation-12/

     

    If you are picked up as a wise virgin you will not be seated under the Altar

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    Because the Altar is the placed for Christian martyrs awaiting their fellow martyrs until their numbers accomplished at the end of great tribulation.

    But the wise virgins are taken alive in great number/ the great multitude of Revelation 7. And they shall be seated at the Wedding Feast of the Lamb. 

    The foolish virgins scream "Lord Loord, open to us". Something so horror about to befall and they know that. Their bridegroom will be the antichrist Frankenstein who recovered from deadly wound.

     

    Dangerous bill for saints in israel

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    6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

     

    According to Daniel ,at the time of the end the king of the north annihilates many and at that time everyone of Daniels people who names are written are delivered and many who sleep in the dust of the earth awake to ever lasting life.

     

    Since you claim the man of sin has already been destroyed and the resurrection has already taken place,what date are you claiming the resurrection of the dead in Christ took place?

    Daniel 11:44-12:2

    But rumors and anxieties out of the east and from the north shall trouble him; and he shall come with great wrath to destroy many.

    And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.

    And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

    And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.
     

    You didnt read the link i have attached, did you ?

    Who's who of Revelation 12

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    20 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

    Before reading through some of that thread, I didn't realize there were so many varied and (I would say) extravagant notions about the symbology of Rev 12 . . . WOW!

    It should be based on history otherwise its just story.

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    Who's who of Revelation 12

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    On 6/15/2023 at 8:04 AM, douggg said:

    The woman clothed with the sun, the moon under feet, and crown of 12 stars - Israel

    The great red dragon -  Satan

    The third part of the stars cast to the earth - the angels who sided with Satan

    The man child, caught up to God, and to His throne - Jesus

    The Lamb - Jesus

    The remnant of the woman's seed - them of the 12 tribes who do not flee into the wilderness quickly when they see the abomination statue image on the temple mount.    They keep the commandment of God and have the testimony of Jesus - they will have become Christians.

     

    https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/227900-woman-of-revelation-12/

     

    The AOD and the destruction of the Temple

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    2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    The spirit of antichrist has been around for thousands of years, so has the false prophet spirit.

    Keep in mind, our battle is not against flesh and blood men…

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

     

    Revelation 13 is the beast antichrist ruling the world.

    The AOD and the destruction of the Temple

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    8 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    The Temple of God is in heaven….

    And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
    And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
    And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
    And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

    Thats true but some people Will built the 3rd temple which shall be used by antichrist and false prophet to rule the world 

     

    The seal of God

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    15 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

    We read in Revelation 7:2-3 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”

    We see a sign of this also in Ezekiel 9:4“And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.”

    Before God pours out His wrath upon the world, He will seal His servants in their forehead.
     

    So what is being sealed, and how is it sealed? The what is shown in many ways, and the first signs of it are shown in the sign of circumcision, which Paul said was the seal of the righteousness of the faith.

    But it is also shown here in Exodus 13:9And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt.”

    And the sign of it is also shown here in Deuteronomy 11:18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.”

    Notice God said this outward expression was to be for a sign, meaning it would signify the greater spiritual meaning to come in Christ.

    But we see it is Gods words, even the law and testimony, that is being bound and sealed in the hearts and minds of Gods disciples as shown here in 
    Isaiah 8:16
    Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.”

    God writing and sealing His words on the hearts and minds of His elect was also prophesied to come in the new covenant, shown here in Jeremiah 31:31-34“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
    32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
    33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

    It is also confirmed here in Hebrews 8:7-12 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
    8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”

    So now that we know it is the law and the testimony of God, or the words of God that are being written on the hearts and minds of Gods elect, how is it sealed?

    We are given the answer here in 
     

    2 Corinthians 1:22
    Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
     

    Ephesians 1:13
    In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
     

    Ephesians 4:30
    And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

    So those who are chosen by God have His words written on their hearts and minds by way of Gods Spirit.

    They have the Fathers 2 heavenly witnesses dwelling in themselves, which is God’s Word and Spirit.

    John said He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself”

    This is the New Covenant God said He would make with His people, not written on stone or on paper, but God writing His words upon our hearts and minds by the Spirit of the Living God.

    Peace and God bless.

     

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