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R. Hartono

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  1. Are you a professor of ME history ? Do you even hv a degree.
  2. You only get arrested, nobody Glorify God. http://www.brettsanders.me/california-street-preacher-arrested-for-talking-too-loudly/ Why can't you come with love at the first place ? instead of coming with lustful sermon only. Won't people glorify God if they see your loving kindness like below ?
  3. Who are we to judge people ? People are not perfect, we should not spread bad rumours should we ? If its good rumour about someone's goodness then we can share it with others, howbeit its bad rumours about somebody, just leave it there. so we do not sin.
  4. Jesus and the apostles came healing people and did many miracles, therefore people glorified God, this is a big different with the street preachers. Look at this below picture of TB Joshua who is famous for miracle healing in Nigeria, you see that every day hundreds of people come to his church ? Joshua never roamed the street with a big TOA speaker, do you see the different ? People receive healing while at the same time Joshua sow the seed of faith. ITS FAIR TO COMPARE HIM WITH JESUS AND THE APOSTLES. Now, if we are not used by God to do the healing and miracles we can still give many benefit of loving kindness to people, as per the pictures i have posted above. that people may glorify God later for the kindness they receive. Without loving kindness to people we are only a robot roaming the street out of fear for our own salvation. We fear if we dont preach to people then we go to hell, we fail to give love at the first place, only raising our chest while pointing sacred finger at people.
  5. I would not do the things that would only ruin religous tolerance of this nation, we must keep things in order, so thats why i posted the many pictures of spreading kindness first to people instead of lustful sermon. Why cant you just spread loving kindness on the street ? wont they glorify God ?
  6. I will not stamp anything bad on her just because so many people spread the bad rumour on her personality.
  7. People will come to church if they know you sow goodness, no need to roam the street to hunt them : http://outreachmagazine.com/ideas/16093-church-for-the-homeless-shades-of-grace-in-tennessee.html They should bring love to people at the first place instead of bringing a strong TOA speaker. http://www.brettsanders.me/california-street-preacher-arrested-for-talking-too-loudly/
  8. I didnt call u a liar either, its the bad rumour spread by jealous people who did nothing to help people like she did, not true.
  9. Jesus told us to spread the good news but we should understand we are not sent as a robot programmed to speak to people. Look at the picture below, this christian woman grab a moslem's hand on the street and preached "Jesus is the saviour would you believe that ? ". Now look again at the background fulled with moslems, the whole moslem nation is angry for this intolerance behaviour because they never did the same thing, she is lucky the moslem old woman only smiled at her, she quickly disappeared otherwise she would be warned by the authority. Can you find what i'm trying to say ? Its true how beautiful are the feet of those who preach if you do not violate people's rights by force. It can only create war and chaos. There are many friendly ways to introduce Jesus to people by first showing them kindness as per the above many pictures i posted, so you dont hv to provoke anger from people and government. Our main duty is to spread kindness, whether people want to believe or not its Holy Spirit works. Otherwise we are only robots sent in a mission without humanity, driven by guilty feeling, not by compassion.
  10. Look at the picture below, this christian woman grab a moslem's hand on the street and preached "Jesus is the saviour would you believe that ? ". Now look again at the background fulled with moslems, the whole moslem nation is angry for this intolerance behaviour because they never did the same thing, she is lucky the moslem old woman only smiled at her. Can you find what i'm trying to say ? Its true how beautiful are the feet of those who preach if you do not violate people's rights by force. It can only create war and chaos. There are many friendly ways to introduce Jesus to people by first showing them kindness as per the above many pictures i posted, so you dont hv to provoke anger from people and government. Our main duty is to spread kindness, whether people want to believe or not its Holy Spirit works.
  11. See my above reply regarding Mother Theresa, do you think you need to hunt people on the street if you ever do kindness to them ?
  12. You cannot compare those street preachers to Jesus because they cannot heal people. But should we understand our limit it doesn't mean we cannot do something even bigger for the Lord as Jesus says so. Look at this classic example below, she is an old woman, she never pointed her finger and shouted her lustful sermon on the street but people are looking for her presence and praise the Lord. We'd better stop coming with our pointing finger and lustful sermons only, doesnt benefit people, religion is cheap for most people. People need love, love at the first place man oh man. I put a picture of most lustful street preachers below so you may compare what actually they are doing to Christianity. Do they came from barren world ? Who would guard and save the poor ? You feed the hungry with lustful sermon on the streets "Cry to God" ? Many people are already crying and they ask people to cry again to God. Funny.
  13. Our big family built two churches and three are pastors. You might not know there are friendly and respectable ways to make people come to church other than pointing your finger at people on the street uninvited and blast them with your forced lustful sermon. The picture below are all moslems (with veil) visiting churches, which make a mutual conversation and good relation instead of the picture of the street preachers who speaks lustfully to the wind/ one way communication. You only make the gap wider instead of making a lovely bridge to the other religions. You cannot win people without love and compassion, if you cannot give love but lustful sermon that will be no use. Not banning you anyway.
  14. You might not know there are friendly and respectable ways to make people come to church other than pointing your finger at people on the street uninvited and blast them with your forced lustful sermon. The picture below are all moslems (with veil) visiting churches, which make a mutual conversation and good relation instead of the picture of the street preachers who speak to the wind/ one way communication. You only make the gap wider instead of making a lovely bridge to the other religions.
  15. There was no churches provided by the government there, do you want every christians to roam the street and knock every door ? Do you want the moslem to do the same thing to you ? Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
  16. The first church of gentiles was established by the invitation from Cornelius the Roman to Peter, Peter did not roam the street seeking for gentiles to preach lustfully, God sent gentiles to him. Acts 10:19 While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you. 20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.” Every nation of the world has citizens with different religions, the nations cannot function properly without inter religious tolerance among its citizen, radicalism like isis in Syria would only destroy one nation. Thats why governments allow worship places for different religions, they do not ban religion though. Bible says we must obey our leaders: Hebrew 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. Street preachers want people to convert, i'm not against them by all means, however, we should note that our nation recognizes the rights of different religions and believers. WHAT IF THE MOSLEMS ARE ALSO DOING THE SAME LIKE CHRISTIAN STREET PREACHING ON THE STREET, LUSTFULLY COMING TO YOU WITH SERMONS, WILL YOU TOLERATE THAT ? YOU ARE LUCKY THEY DONT DO THE SAME THING TO YOU, AREN'T YOU ? http://www.brettsanders.me/california-street-preacher-arrested-for-talking-too-loudly/
  17. Jesus Christ performed miracles by touching, healing, and transforming countless lives. These divine acts led people to him and opened their hearts. ... hearts to the message of salvation, and caused many to glorify God. These street preachers don't.
  18. Matt 5: 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your GOOD WORKS, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Is this a good work which makes people glorify God ? I dont see people glorifying God around them. Jesus Christ performed miracles by touching, healing, and transforming countless lives. These divine acts led people to him and opened their hearts. ... hearts to the message of salvation, and caused many to glorify God. These street preachers don't.
  19. Our Lord is prophesying the a/c fake messiah, whom they may call so. John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
  20. Unleavened bread is not connected to Jesus, it's made as a remembrance of affliction and departure from Egypt. Deut 16:3 Do not eat it with bread made with yeast, but for seven days eat unleavened bread, the bread of affliction, because you left Egypt in haste–so that all the days of your life you may remember the time of your departure from Egypt
  21. Mark 13:26 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Mark 13:27 And He will send His angels and gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. Rev 1:7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. The world would cry because they are obviously not gathered and Lord Jesus obviously do not land to earth to rule the world yet ! The wise virgins are taken alive as promised by Jesus. The foolish virgins cry with the world "Lord Lord open to us","I knew you not"
  22. Offer yourself to the Lord. Luke 21:36 KJV – Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. God wanted to clean the earth from wicked unbelievers be4 Jesus Millennium begins. The 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials will surely cleanse the earth from human. WILL GOD STILL NEED TO COUNT YOU WORTHY TO ESCAPE IF YOU ARE DESTINED TO DIE AS MARTYRS ? THE FOOLISH VIRGINS WILL YELL "LORD OPEN TO US" BUT THEY ARE NOT WORTHY and LEFT.
  23. If you die as martyr would God still need to count you worthy or not ?
  24. The trial is now, not in the Great Tribulation, unless you dont feel it. 1 Pet 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: Until the rapture of the church. 1 Pet 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: The foolish virgins will yell but God who is about to pour His wrath through the Seals, Trumpets and Vials will not listen. Matt 25: 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Those who think they can witness to God in the Great Tribulation may even die earlier in the calamities, wars, famines, murders, plagues, tortures of locusts etc. which God deliberately pour to clean the world from evil people. Do you really think you can escape death when the wrath of the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials is poured ? You may not pass the first year.
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