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R. Hartono

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  1. 11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

    I understand that many have sent the last week far into the still future but there is no basis for it. 
     

    The last week of the 70 was set aside for the Messiah to fulfill His God given mission ((9:24).

    Also, He was baptized and anointed by God on the first day of that last week.

    His ministry began that day and He was crucified within the 3.5 years of the final week.

    He “confirmed” the New Covenant at the Cross DURING (not for) the last 7 years of the prophecy.

    These are messianic prophecies and speak about the most important event in man’s history. 

    Daniel written to the Jews to / prophesied about THEIR

    RESTORATION back from Babylon AND the coming Messiah-ALL TO TAKE OFF PLACE WITHIN THEIR HE 70 weeks of years prophecy. 

    There is NO 7 year tribulation-  this is where the 7 years comes from - there is NO 7 year covenant that will come in the future by a mythical anti-Christ figure. These are intentional misinterpretations from the 16th century church designed to try and remove the label of the “little horn” away from the papacy.

    Look at how perfect these verses fit the actual events that took place DURING the last week (7 years) of the time Jesus was on the earth!

    Transgression still prevail in Israel which proofs that the 70th week of Daniel has not been reached.

    The 7 years tribulation is the last 70th week. 1 week = 7 years. Where antichrist and fake prophet Will continue to rule the 2nd half in Rev 13.

  2. On 12/27/2023 at 1:05 AM, Stewardofthemystery said:

    In Revelation 11:2 we see the mention of the “outer court” that is given to the Gentiles, and how they would “trample under foot” the “holy city” for 42 months. Many think this prophecy is speaking only of a “natural place” like a natural brick and mortar city, and this time is to be discerned “naturally.” But that is because the “natural man” only knows what he knows “naturally” and in those things he corrupts himself.

     

    The proper interpretation of God’s words belongs to God, and to those whom the Lord reveals these things to by way His Holy Spirit.  We are told in scripture that the earthly tabernacle and temple design was to be a “shadow of things to come” but not the very image of those things, and how the earthly design was just a pattern of the heavenly (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 9:23)  

     

    And we are told that God does not dwell in temples made by the hands of man.(Acts 17:24)  And we know by the words of the holy apostles that God is building a spiritual house in the heavens, and that is also where we see His throne, His temple, and His altar, where there would be better “spiritual” sacrifices. (1Peter 2:5)

     

    So if the “inner courts” of the former earthly tabernacle/temple design were just figures and patterns of the heavenly, then what does the “outer court” represent?  We in this present physical world are “outside” of the spiritual heavenly camp, as there is a great divide between the two that no “flesh” or “unclean thing” may enter.  Paul said let us go “outside the camp” bearing his reproach, just as Jesus also suffered “outside the city gate” (Hebrews 13:13) But those who are born again of the Spirit have “access to the Father in heaven” by the blood of Christ  being of this royal priesthood.(Ephesians 2:18) And we who are of this anointed priesthood can also make spiritual sacrifices and offerings on this heavenly altar (Hebrews 13:10) with “better sacrifices”.

     

    In the law those sacrifices who were to be offered up to the Lord, first had their “flesh removed” and all the dung removed, and these were to be burned “outside the camp”.(Exodus 29:14, Hebrews 13:11)  Just as we in this world are told to “put off” the body of sin and to “put to death” the deeds of the flesh. (Col. 2:11) The insides of the animal were to be cleaned with pure water before being offered up to the Lord.(Leviticus 1:9)  This signifies the washing of our hearts and minds by the words of God. (John5:3, Ephesians 5:26) Then we in turn present ourselves a “living sacrifice” being offered up holy and without spot, or without the blemish of sin.(Romans 12:1)

     

    The “outer court” in the temple design was given for those who were yet “unclean”, or yet being “uncircumcised” by the Spirit being yet “Gentiles”.  These who were “unclean spiritually” were not allowed access to the “inner court” of Israel, as it was only for those who had already been “purified.”  In spiritual terms it is much the same way, but on a much larger scale.  As the “outer court” that is given to “the Gentiles” is referring to this present earth/world; and the “inner courts” are referring to the heavenly.  Just as Jesus said, God’s will be done on earth, as it is in Heaven.  The heavenly camp has already been purified, and all the evil doers cast out; as was the case with Satan and all his host of evil angels who were cast out of heaven with him down to the earth.(Rev.12:9)

     

    Also the “holy city” that is presently being “trodden under foot” not only represents the earthly sanctuary, but also “the host” which represents Gods people who belong to the “earthly Jerusalem”; who are still “in bondage to sin” as Paul spoke in the allegory. (Galatians 4:25)

     

    The “host” being “trampled under foot” was prophesied here…Daniel 8:13 by reason of transgression=sin

     

    Both God’s people (the daily sacrifice) and God’s words were prophesied to be cast to the ground and be trodden under foot of the Gentiles….(Daniel 8:12, Hebrews 10:29)

    Imho Rev 11:2 speaks about the 3rd temple that shall be built in Jerusalem for the abomination of desolation.

  3. On 4/4/2024 at 4:57 PM, SACREDWARRIOR said:
    WHEN DID/DO THE END TIMES , AS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE BEGAN/BEGAN?
    popular belief #1, is an end time period of 7 years where both satan & Jesus duke it out for control of mankind. satans champion known as the anti-christ....
    It May surprise you to know that a 7 year period of this nature CAN NOT BE FOUND WITHIN THE PAGES OF THE BIBLE!!!!!
    The Prophet Daniel, speaks of a period of 70 weeks of years.....hence....7 year divisions per se. it is however not given emphatically as to how these weeks of years are to be split up......we know FROM SCRIPTURE When the 69th week began/concluded.....but again this is A WHOLE not a perfect mathematical divide.
    the rest of the puzzle, wrests on how you interpret the "HE" IN DANIEL 9:27
    [Dan 9:27 ]
    27 "And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week "HE" WILL PUT A STOP TO SACRIFICE AND GRAIN OFFERINGS; and on the wing of abominations [will come] the one who makes desolate, until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, gushes forth on the one who makes desolate."
    after years of study and comparing scripture with scripture and following every passage...I CLEARLY SEE THE "HE" AS JESUS not the anti-christ which is a popular view......
    you might say, "WHEN DID JESUS MAKE THE SACRIFICE & GRAIN OFFERINGS DESOLATE?"
    [Matthew 27:51 NASB20] 51 And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
    [Mark 15:38 NASB20] 38 And the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.
    [Luke 23:45 NASB20] 45 because the sun stopped shining; and the veil of the temple was torn in two.
    APPLYING , the former to the latter, jesus himself put a stop to the sacrifice and offerings.....NOT A FUTURE ANTI CHRIST!!!
    So using this principle, it can be understood why the new testament speaks ONLY OF A 3.5 YEAR PERIOD ALLOTTED TO SATAN AND HIS CHAMPION to have their attempt, Peter says,
    [1Pe 4:12, 17]
    12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial WHICH IS TO TRY "YOU", as though some strange thing happened to you; ... 17 For the time [has come] for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if [it begins] with us first, what will [be] the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
    or you may prefer the biblical view of "SEPARATING THE WHEAT & TARES, I.E SHEEP AND GOAT JUDGEMENT"
    THE BATTLE RAGES TIL THE LION ROARS

    Jesus covenant of Salvation is everlasting and not that 7 years fake covenant of peace deal between Israel - arab enemies.

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  4. 16 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

    Show me where Jesus commands them to torment and kill people as the scripture says they do.

     

    If you show me where Jesus commands his witnesses to kill and torment other people ,then you can say I make things up.

     

    Quote Jesus as I have done here.

    Mathew 7:13

    So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    Its God that empower them, why questioning God ? 

  5. 20 hours ago, FJK said:

    what will be, and what will be the purpose of, the New Jerusalem?

     

    It seems the present corrupt Jerusalem is only a shadow of the actual New Jerusalem meant by God for all saints.

    New Jerusalem is the real promised land God spoken about in the Old Testament for His people which will be fulfilled under the new heaven and the new earth.

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