Who is the little horn of Daniel ?

[R. Hartono]

https://www.remnantofgod.org/littlehorn.htm 

Is it ?

 

[Marilyn C]

[Michael37]

On 12/9/2023 at 3:05 PM, R. Hartono said:

https://www.remnantofgod.org/littlehorn.htm 

Is it ?

 

Hi @R. Hartono

You post this link to a cult site, don't preface it with any reason for doing so, and expect it to be approved. 

I'm only approving it to discuss the cult of SDR (Seventh Day Remnant) that you cite here, and to understand why you drop so many non-secateur links and videos.

[Shilohsfoal]

The little horn is the Israeli government and it's little country 

 

The saints in Israel will be persecuted by the Israeli government.Then the Israeli government will be destroyed and everyone in Israel who did not believe the gospel. Then that land is given to the saints which were persecuted and killed for their testimony of Christ and for the word of God .The promised land is given to them for an everlasting possession and they shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with Christ over the nations in the Lords land.

 

The little horn was attempting to change laws before this war .I expect he will resume after it.

A host will be given to him ,and the persecution begins.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

On 12/9/2023 at 12:08 AM, Marilyn C said:

The ten horns are the same as the ten toes.

The little horn dwells in the same kingdom as the ten horns .But he is different than the ten and he appears to be more stout,than his fellows.

[Charlie744]

To answer this question I would think it is necessary to determine the following;

1) who is the 4th kingdom in the chapter 2 metal man image, 

2) in chapter 7, the symbol of this same 4th kingdom is now shown as an “indescribable” beast. First, do you agree they are the same kingdoms (2 v. 7?),

3) in chapter 7 there are now 10 horns that are found on this 4th kingdom beast). They are “coming out from this beast).

4) since they are now shown coming out of the 4th beast (external), does that mean they were previously WITHIN the 4th kingdom beast? (In other words, are these 10 horns the same powers that are represented as 10 toes in the chapter 2 image?

5) if they are the same 10, then what caused them to now be found on the outside of the 4th kingdom beast?

6) in chapter 2, there is no mention of the little horn. Meaning, he was not found or did not exist WITHIN the 4th kingdom beast of chapter 2. He must have began his existence AFTER whatever event caused the 10 toes to move to the outside of the 4th kingdom beast. 
 

7) the little horn of chapter 7 came OUT of the 4th kingdom beast but only after the 10 horns (10 toes) surfaced on the outside of the 4th kingdom beast. Why is that?

8) later in chapter 7, both the 10 horns (first) and the little horn will climb to the top of the 4th kingdom beast. However, this does not happen UNTIL the first 4th kingdom beast was slain and its body destroyed. 
 

Each of the above must be answered before the identity of both the little horn and the 10 horns can be made. 
 

9) if the legs of iron AND the feet represent pagan Rome, then that would mean that the 10 horns (10 toes) existed BEFORE it was slain and its body was destroyed. It also would mean that the little horn came into existence PRIOR to the demise of pagan Rome. 
 

We could take these one at a time and get everyone’s thoughts BEFORE moving on to the next point to discuss. 
 

[Michael37]

15 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

To answer this question I would think it is necessary to determine the following;

1) who is the 4th kingdom in the chapter 2 metal man image, 

2) in chapter 7, the symbol of this same 4th kingdom is now shown as an “indescribable” beast. First, do you agree they are the same kingdoms (2 v. 7?),

3) in chapter 7 there are now 10 horns that are found on this 4th kingdom beast). They are “coming out from this beast).

4) since they are now shown coming out of the 4th beast (external), does that mean they were previously WITHIN the 4th kingdom beast? (In other words, are these 10 horns the same powers that are represented as 10 toes in the chapter 2 image?

5) if they are the same 10, then what caused them to now be found on the outside of the 4th kingdom beast?

6) in chapter 2, there is no mention of the little horn. Meaning, he was not found or did not exist WITHIN the 4th kingdom beast of chapter 2. He must have began his existence AFTER whatever event caused the 10 toes to move to the outside of the 4th kingdom beast. 
 

7) the little horn of chapter 7 came OUT of the 4th kingdom beast but only after the 10 horns (10 toes) surfaced on the outside of the 4th kingdom beast. Why is that?

8) later in chapter 7, both the 10 horns (first) and the little horn will climb to the top of the 4th kingdom beast. However, this does not happen UNTIL the first 4th kingdom beast was slain and its body destroyed. 
 

Each of the above must be answered before the identity of both the little horn and the 10 horns can be made. 
 

9) if the legs of iron AND the feet represent pagan Rome, then that would mean that the 10 horns (10 toes) existed BEFORE it was slain and its body was destroyed. It also would mean that the little horn came into existence PRIOR to the demise of pagan Rome. 
 

We could take these one at a time and get everyone’s thoughts BEFORE moving on to the next point to discuss. 
 

A very good outline from you in my opinion, @Charlie744 

Just one thought about the composition of the toes being partly iron and partly clay which speaks of brittle disintegration, whereas the 10 horns are specified as kings. 

While it is appropriate to place the toes and horns in their historical context it is equally appropriate to expound on the spiritual principles being presented to us, brittle disintegration being one of them, the rise and fall of earthly kingdoms being another.

[Charlie744]

31 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

A very good outline from you in my opinion, @Charlie744 

Just one thought about the composition of the toes being partly iron and partly clay which speaks of brittle disintegration, whereas the 10 horns are specified as kings. 

While it is appropriate to place the toes and horns in their historical context it is equally appropriate to expound on the spiritual principles being presented to us, brittle disintegration being one of them, the rise and fall of earthly kingdoms being another.

Thank you very much. And you are definitely correct. However, there is a certain order when these actors and events occur. I we treat a certain verse as literal and it is meant to have a spiritual application (or vice versa), or we misinterpret the timing of theses same actors or events, it will be impossible to recover. Then, the interpretations in the later chapters will go off into outer space. 
 

1) even though you are the only one who has responded, I am sure many others will offer their thoughts as this moves forward (if it does move forward). 
2) first, do you find pagan Rome to be the 4th kingdom beast of chapter 2?

3) while we are there, do you also find the feet are also part of that same 4th kingdom beast within the chapter 2 image ?

 

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you very much. And you are definitely correct. However, there is a certain order when these actors and events occur. I we treat a certain verse as literal and it is meant to have a spiritual application (or vice versa), or we misinterpret the timing of theses same actors or events, it will be impossible to recover. Then, the interpretations in the later chapters will go off into outer space. 
 

1) even though you are the only one who has responded, I am sure many others will offer their thoughts as this moves forward (if it does move forward). 
2) first, do you find pagan Rome to be the 4th kingdom beast of chapter 2?

3) while we are there, do you also find the feet are also part of that same 4th kingdom beast within the chapter 2 image ?

 

Rome is the 4th beast of Daniel and the 6th power head/mountain-kingdom of Revelation. The German Third Reich is so called due to the primacy of the Roman Empire.

[Charlie744]

35 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Rome is the 4th beast of Daniel and the 6th power head/mountain-kingdom of Revelation. The German Third Reich is so called due to the primacy of the Roman Empire.

Ok. I definitely find pagan Rome as the 4th beast kingdom- can not be any other. 
 

Ok, we are past the first hurdle.

The second point is to determine if you find pagan Rome to also be the “indescribable” beast kingdom of chapter 7.