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    Did Abraham, Ishac and Jacob resurrect when Jesus died ?

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    10 hours ago, suzan344 said:

    "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years."

    I always assumed (do not know) that the prophets pre-resurrection are some of these Saints that rise.

    The rest of the dead here speaks about the unbeliever who died since the creation and they will face the Great White Throne judgment, then its over and New Heaven and New Earth established.

    A prominent rabbi said the Messiah will precede the upcoming election in April.

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    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/120689/airstrike-syria-israeli-elections/

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    Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the most prominent rabbis of this generation, made a shocking statement, claiming that the Messiah will precede the upcoming Israeli elections. Several rabbis noted that the writing is on the wall and the signs that the process leading up to the Messiah has already begun…for those who have the eyes to see it.

    Rabbi Yekutiel Fish, an expert in Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) gave a lesson this week in which he discussed how the Messiah was imminent. Rabbi Fish cited Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky, one of the most prominent Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) rabbis of this generation, who began foretelling the arrival of the Messiah just a few years ago.

    “It is written that in the days leading up to the Messiah, tzaddikim (righteous men) will begin to announce his arrival but some people, those who have not prepared for His arrival, will laugh at the righteous and the learned,” Rabbi Fish said, warning that it is forbidden to mock the righteous.

    Rabbi Fish related a story that is just now being told within Haredi circles in Israel. A young Torah scholar from outside of Israel was hosted for the Sabbath a few weeks ago at the house of a follower of Rabbi Kanievsky. The young man visited Kanievsky during the Sabbath. He asked the rabbi if he should apply for Israeli citizenship in order to vote for the Haredi party in the Israeli elections being held on April 9.

    “There is no need,” Rabbi Kanievsky answered. “The  Messiah will already be here before the elections.”

    The young man was unsure that he had heard the rabbi correctly so after he departed from the house, he asked Kanievsky’s grandson, a venerated rabbi in his own right, to confirm the answer. The grandson entered the rabbi’s chamber and asked again: ‘Should the young man apply for citizenship before the elections?’

    Rabbi Kanievsky responded, “I already told him that there is no need. The Messiah will be here before the elections.”

    Rabbi Fish emphasized the need for Rabbi Kanievsky to make such statements.

     

    Did Abraham, Ishac and Jacob resurrect when Jesus died ?

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    2 hours ago, Deborah_ said:

    And who says God has forgotten them in the meantime?

    What do you believe? Do you believe in soul sleep, or do you believe that the spirits of those who believe go to Paradise, there to await their resurrection in the company of each other and of our Lord (Luke 23:43)? Because that's where the patriarchs are (Luke 16:22).

    It's very difficult to place Matt 27:50 in the overall scheme of the next life. Whoever these people were, they didn't continue to walk around Jerusalem in permanently resurrected bodies, or they'd still be there today. So it was a temporary phenomenon - a foretaste of what will happen when Jesus returns.

    Ep 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ASCENDED up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

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    Did Abraham, Ishac and Jacob resurrect when Jesus died ?

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    53 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:

    Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be resurrected when we are... which will be when the Kingdom is consummated, and we all begin to enjoy it together.

    I don't see anything in the verse you quoted to suggest that the patriarchs are already resurrected.

    Would God forget them ? Would god ?

    Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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    Did Abraham, Ishac and Jacob resurrect when Jesus died ?

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    Jesus said that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be waiting for their fellows at the kingdom of heaven,

    Matt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

    It means Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have come first to heaven, they may have been resurrected when Jesus died at the cross, which is the true divine sign of the Messiah of Jesus Christ.

    Matt 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.  52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

    Isaiah also mentioned that his dead body will arise from the dust.

    Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

    ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB, ISAIAH AND OTHER PROPHETS MAY HAVE BEEN RESURRECTED AND APPEARED TO PEOPLE IN JERUSALEM.

    And they may have been taken with Jesus when He ASCENDED (not when He died)

    Ep 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When He ASCENDED up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

     

     

     

     

     

    An atheist requires an answer

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    GOD DOESN'T ACCEPT SUICIDE IN SPITE OF HUMAN WEAKNESS, HE STILL HAS PLAN, LOOK AT THESE EXAMPLES :

    Like so many other great leaders, Elijah requested that he be allowed to die rather than go on as he had been.

    When his burden had seemed too great to carry, Moses had also asked God to take his life. (cf Num. 11:11-15).

    Likewise, Jonah preferred to die rather than watch the Ninevites repent and be spared by God (cf Jonah 4:3).

    Jeremiah cursed the day of his birth (cf Jer. 20:14-18), as did Job (cf Job 3:1-16).

    These were all great men of God, yet even at their greatest, they were still men.

    James 5:17 tells us that Elijah possessed the human nature, with its problems, into account (one that is subject to the same emotions) as we have.

    These examples should be a reminder for us not to place any preacher or Christian worker on a pedestal.

    If we do, we should always make sure we look at their feet-not their face.

    When we do we will find that they also have feet of clay.

    Every man at his best is still a man, and they will fail.

    Some of the greatest people in the Bible failed in their strongest points :

    http://www.brandonweb.com/sermons/sermonpages/12kings5.htm

    1948 years from Adam to Abraham, 1948 years from Jesus (new "Adam") to Israel's birth

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    God has hidden the secret of end times in the OT.

    Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, ....

    From Adam to Abraham was 1948 years

    From Jesus (new "Adam") to Israel's rebirth was 1948 years

     

    The 1948 years calculation :
     *****************************************************************
        *  Adam to Seth  .............    130 yrs        (Genesis  5:3)     *
        *  Seth to Enos  .............    105 yrs         (Genesis  5:6)     *
        *  Enos to Cainan ............     90 yrs        (Genesis  5:9)     *
        *  Cainan to Mahalaleel ......     70 yrs     (Genesis  5:12)    *
        *  Mahalaleel to Jared .......     65 yrs       (Genesis  5:15)    *
        *  Jared to Enoch ............    162 yrs        (Genesis  5:18)    *
        *  Enoch to Methuselah .......     65 yrs    (Genesis  5:21)    *
        *  Methuselah to Lamech ......    187 yrs    (Genesis  5:25)    *
        *  Lamech to Noah ............    182 yrs       (Genesis  5:28-29) *
        *  Noah to the Flood .........    600 yrs       (Genesis  7:6)     *
        *  Flood to Arphaxad .........      2 yrs        (Genesis 11:10)    *
        *  Arphaxad to Salah .........     35 yrs       (Genesis 11:12)    *
        *  Salah to Eber .............     30 yrs           (Genesis 11:14)    *
        *  Eber to Peleg .............     34 yrs            (Genesis 11:16)    *
        *  Peleg to Reu  .............     30 yrs            (Genesis 11:18)    *
        *  Reu to Serug  .............     32 yrs            (Genesis 11:20)    *
        *  Serug to Nahor ............    30 yrs            (Genesis 11:22)    *
        *  Nahor to Terah ............    29 yrs            (Genesis 11:24)    *
        *  Terah to Abraham ..........  70 yrs           (Genesis 11:26)    *
        *                                            -------                       *
        *  Adam to Abraham           1948 yrs  (This same geneology  is in Luke 3:34-38) *
        *****************************************************************

    God told Abraham to move from his land when he was 75 years old,

    Gen 12: 4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

    Israel is now 71 years old, could it be that the exodus of the Jews prophesied by Jesus will happen when Israel becomes 75 like when Abraham departed ?

    If yes the AOD may happen in 2023 :

    Israel was birthed in May 1948 +75 years = May 2023

    Because at the AOD Jesus told the Jews to make an exodus/DEPART out of Israel

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    However, we dont know the exact age of Abraham when he departed from Haran, was he 75 years old exactly or was he several months over. But for sure he was not yet 76 years old.

    This is a  study by Robert Breaker that God has revealed the end times situation in the Old Testament, just like a mirror, unfortunately this sub forum doesnt allow youtube video but you can find it with this wording :

    Search in youtube with words : 2019 Rap0ture???

    youtube.com/watch?v=lTodEB25zj8&feature=youtu.be&t=1549

     

     

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    Woman of Revelation 12

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    Posted · Edited by R. Hartono

    14 hours ago, noblenut said:

    u are completely wrong, this prophesy has nothing to do with Jesus, its about a new king of heaven

    Yes Jesus is the new king of heaven, who else other than Jesus ? the devil ?

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