R. Hartono
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40 minutes ago, Diaste said:
No.
No. This says He will keep watch, guard us, during the evil day
Nobody will guard you on earth, the saints shall be taken.
Mat 24:40 "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
The left behind will be killed until the number is accomplished in the tribulation, nobody guard you, God let it happen.
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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30 minutes ago, Deborah_ said:
Looks like 100% showmanship to me. God is not a cash machine.
Is this a magic show ?
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It endangers other people's lives
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A pastor turned water into wine, making money appear and multiplying money in the wallet.
See youtube video with this title :
Shocking Miracle!!!! Water Turned into wine!! History has been repeated
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWKHMJ5Vv9A
Unbelieveable Miracle ..By faith money multiplies in members hands instantly
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdXnZv8f5Ss
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God calls us to love and forgive each other, it will be a wonderful world if everybody does that.
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13 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:
Granted, nothing for God is impossible, but what is the difference of those that He knows will never accept His Salvation being killed by an vehicle accident or a 75 pound hailstone, is He not capable of preventing death with vehicles as He is able to precisely guide a hailstone, ...it wouldn't be the first time.
As they fled from the Israelites down the slope of Beth Horon toward Azekah, the LORD threw huge hailstones on them. More died from the hailstones than from Israelite swords. Jos 10:11
If you are a bus driver would you wish to be raptured when you are still driving and leave all passengers to crush without sparing some seconds to stop the bus at the safe side of the road ?
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16 hours ago, Diaste said:
An emotional plea doth not maketh logical argument.
If I understand, not sure, but the goodness is the application of the promise of God. If you are in Christ at the time of the gathering you will receive of that promise, if you are not in Christ at the time you will receive a promise as well. Our Father keeps His word, that is goodness.
Jesus promise to keep us from the hour of temptation, if we are patience in the test now. the test is now.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Jesus will not let His bride beaten black and blue by antichrist.
But the foolish virgins left will become the bride of antichrist and beaten black and blue if they resist.
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15 hours ago, Heleadethme said:
From heaven's perspective persecution and martyrdom is the preparation of the Bride.....and it is victory not defeat.
God will take one and leave another one, do you think the taken one must still suffer persecution or death as martyrs ? Why bother taking them ?
The wise virgins shall be taken and the foolish virgins shall be left and become the bride of antichrist.
Jesus will not fetch His bride as dead bodies beaten black and blue, the foolish virgins will be let like that.
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9 hours ago, Joulre2abba said:
That is verse has nothing in it to indicate that it refers to the antichrist. An idol shepard is a religious leader of the people who shirks his divine duties.
9 hours ago, Joulre2abba said:That is verse has nothing in it to indicate that it refers to the antichrist. An idol shepard is a religious leader of the people who shirks his divine duties.
antichrist is also a shepherd who betrays his flock, he will be the fake messiah to lead the land (Israel)
Zechariah 11:16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land (Israel), which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
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5 hours ago, Steve_S said:
Again, none of this addresses how people from Revelation 7 who are said to come out of the "great tribulation" are supposedly raptured 3-1/2 years before that even starts.
Steve,
Where in this verse Jesus said "coming out of the great tribulation" ???
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
He says to keep us from the hour of temptation /be4 it begins.
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11 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:
And, Yeshua` was specifically talking TO HIS DISCIPLES sitting right there before Him with the word "you" (Greek: humas = you [second person, plural, accusative case]). He wasn't talking to them about future generations at that point in His discourse!
Therefore, I believe we CAN "confidently assert" that we ARE in the "great tribulation."
Exactly Jesus said that particularly to the early church who were persecuted by the Roman, fed to lions,
The great tribulation is our present world when the hour of temptation starts and Jesus promise the churches to keep us from the hour of temptation.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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2 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
Again, none of this addresses how people from Revelation 7 who are said to come out of the "great tribulation" are supposedly raptured 3-1/2 years before that even starts.
The great tribulation is our present world when the hour of temptation starts and Jesus promise to keep us from the hour of temptation.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
I dare not ban you from believing that you need to be in the great tribulation first but if you are left you will end up as souls under the Altar providing you dare to put your head under the guillotine.
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9 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
Mat 24:22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.
If you are left behind like foolish virgins, no good for God to shorten the day as you will be destined to be martyred if you dare and your souls will be place under the altar until your the number of your fellows shall be fulfilled.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
GOD WILL SHORTEN THE DAYS FOR THE RAPTURE of WISE VIRGINS / THE GREAT MULTITUDE BE4 THE THRONE.
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16 hours ago, Diaste said:
“Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
People will be working in the field WHEN THE SUN STILL SHINES, because we cannot work the field in the night.
Matt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
so when the rapture takes place the sun will still be shining.
The sun will be darkened when the 4th angel sound the trumpet in the tribulation :
Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
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Just now, Steve_S said:
it says they come out of the great tribulation, which Christ said doesn't begin until after the abomination of desolation.
Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
The abomination of desolation will start at the 2nd half of the 7 years of tribulation when a/c enters the Temple of God in Jerusalem and declare himself as God, the Temple shall be built at the first half of the tribulation where antichrist play as MESSIAH to the Jews first.
To understand about the AOD please read this :
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1 minute ago, Steve_S said:
So you are saying the rapture happens during the tribulation? I'm a bit confused.
The rapture will take place be4 the 1st seal is opened where a/c will be launched to conquer the world with fake peace,
Daniel 8:25 .... and by peace he shall destroy many:
especially 7 years peace deal between Israel-Arab enemies, we therefore see the 2 States Solution proposed by US cannot be fulfilled because it is antichrist's ransom to do that.
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2 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Again, these people you are saying were raptured are said to come out of the great tribulation. How can one come out of something that they aren't in?
The great tribulation is our present world when the hour of temptation starts and Jesus promise to keep us from the hour of temptation.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Jesus will not fetch His bride as dead bodies beaten black and blue, different story with the foolish virgins.
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7 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
I've never heard of anyone or anything coming out of something it isn't in.
Its the world that you are in who will be doomed in the tribulation, not you because God wants to save you from the hour of temptation.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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3 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
Those people in Revelation 6 are killed, what of them?
Here is the Bride of Christ taken to the Feast of the Lamb :
Rev 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands 14.....these are they which came out of great tribulation 16... They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more.
If you are left behind you will gamble your head at the tip of butchering knife and God will let it happen because the rapture has taken place and you are left behind, there's no wedding for you.
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On 11/19/2018 at 3:03 AM, Joulre2abba said:
the antichrist who is a god unto himself.. having no affiliation with any religion.
God calls the a/c as SHEPHERD because he has the FLOCK ! but he is the idol shepherd who seeks for fame and glory for himself.
Zech 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye:
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10 minutes ago, Steve_S said:
Just wondering if there's a specific reason you choose to place Revelation 7 prior to Revelation 6 Chronologically, particularly when we are told explicitly:
Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Come out of is fairly definitive statement that speaks to the fact that they were in it, unless of course there is some way to come out of something one isn't in?
May be it will be better if the verses will be written like this : "These are the ones who come out of the beheading in the great tribulation and washed their robes........".
Because apostle John saw two groups of people in heaven :
FIRST GROUP : The great multitude before the Throne, THEY ARE NOT SOULS but living people who escape the beheading.
Rev 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands 14.....these are they which came out of great tribulation 16... They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more.
SECOND GROUP : SOULS under the Altar, they are martyrs waiting for their fellows. THESE DON'T ESCAPE THE BEHEADING.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
THOSE SOULS MUST WAIT UNTIL THEIR FELLOWS/TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE ALSO MARTYRED IN THE 7 YEARS TRIBULATION OF THE WORLD.
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
So we will belong to one of these 3 groups of people in the grief tribulation :
-Those who are raptured alive to heaven as the 1st group
-To be martyred in the tribulation if refuse to worship the beast and their souls to be gathered under the Altar
-To worship the beast like the rest of the world in the grief tribulation.
ARE YOU THE KIND OF BRIDEGROOM WHO WILL LET YOUR BRIDE BEING BEATEN BLACK AND BLUE FIRST BY WICKED PEOPLE ?
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15 hours ago, Diaste said:
" Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.".
No pretrib rapture is possible.
What goodness is it for Jesus to take one and leave another one ?
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10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:
even to the end of the age”……Matt 24:19-20 In this prophetic passage, Jesus is promising Christians that He will be with them until the end of the age
Apostle John saw two groups of people in heaven :
FIRST GROUP : The great multitude before the Throne, THEY ARE NOT SOULS but living people who escape the END OF THE AGE /7 years tribulation.
Rev 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands 14.....these are they which came out of great tribulation 16... They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more.
SECOND GROUP : SOULS under the Altar, waiting for their fellows to be killed until the END OF THE AGE / 7 years tribulation.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
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5 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:
many vehicle accidents: cars, buses, trains, planes any who had a born again child of God driving, directing or flying it
Those people of God will not cause any harm to the people during the Rapture when they are taken by angels.
Is this Biblical ?
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