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David the Prince

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  1. I can certainly agree with what you said about translation/interpretation problems in most English Bibles. I often bring this topic up when debating trinitarians.
  2. It is not "painfully obvious" that is it "corrupted." There are only minor variations between the Biblical manuscripts and as Christian Bible scholars have stated that scribes are humans and therefore make human errors.
  3. If you wanted to learn of the Messiah then you have to start by reading the Old Testament because that is where much of the Messianic material is contained. Without reading the Old Testament before the New Testament readers will be clueless regarding the discussions in the New Testament.
  4. David the Prince

    Why God created the Animals

    Oh okay. I think I understand both of your confusion on why I posted this here in the outer court where non-believers are suppose to interact with believers. The reason being is because I can't post in the inner court because I'm not a trinitarian as you can see from my profile. So this thread is the only place I can post although this was intended to be read by believers with the mindset of a Creator God - not to discuss whether or not God exists or if He created everything. But speaking of me not being a trinitarian to answer "noone's" next point... As many Biblical Unitarian, Jewish, and even Trinitarian scholars have pointed out, God often speaks majestically to His heavenly court in the plural. As the NIV study Bible (a Trinitarian translation) states in its footnote of Genesis 1:26, "Us… Our… Our. God speaks as the Creator-king, announcing His crowning work to the members of His heavenly court (see 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; I Kings 22:19-23; Job 15:8; Jeremiah 23:18)." It doesn't mean that He was inviting them to help him create, He was just speaking majestically as the Creator King. This is found in other places in Scripture. Biblical examples include Daniel's statement to Nebuchadnezzar, "We will tell the interpretation thereof before the king" (Daniel 2:36). Daniel, however, was the only one who gave the king the interpretation of his dream. King Artaxerxes wrote in a letter, "The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me" (Ezra 4:18). The letter was sent to Artaxerxes alone (Ezra 4:11), yet he said it was sent to "us," and was read before "me." Clearly the letter was only sent to, and read to Artaxerxes. When Artaxerxes penned another letter to Ezra he used the first person singular pronoun "I" in one place and the first person plural pronoun "we" in another (Ezra 7:13, 24). The idea that "Elohim" refers to more than one Person when referring to the One true God is debunked by the fact that singular pronouns are always accompanied by the majestic plural "Elohim." Many people in the Tanakh (OT) are called "elohim" but it's clearly referring to one person. For example, in Genesis 23:6 when refereing to Abraham it says: "Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us; in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.'" The words "mighty prince" there are actually translated from the Hebrew word "elohim." https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/23-6.htm Moses was also called an elohim in Exodus 7:1. The reason they were called that is because the term "god" for the Hebrews didn't always mean what we think when we use the word "god" like meaning "deity." It was mostly used to denote someone who was mighty or a judge or a master/ruler. Even in 2 Cor 4:4 the Apostle Paul calls satan the "god of this age." And the obvious meaning of that is that satan is the master/ruler of this current age since he is controlling mankind through sin.
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    Why God created the Animals

    God giving humans charge over the animals is an important factor of them being useful to us. Us being given dominion over them doesn't necessarily mean that they will be useful to us but it's an important factor. Why? According to your profile you're a non-believer so I'm assuming that you don't believe in God (presumably). So why is this discussion relevant to you (I don't mean that in a rude way)? If there is a Creator and we find that many aninals are useful to us then there's a good possibility that was one reason they were created. Again, we're theorizing here. Well you have sort of the right mindset. You mentioned some animals having dual purposes and you brought up the idea that God planned on the Fall which He actually did according to the Bible. Like Scripture says all things were created with the King Messiah in mind-"For in him [Jesus] were all things created..."(Col 1:16). Now we can theorize on why God created man knowing they would sin but we know He did since He created everything with the Advent of the King Messiah in mind. But we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin, nor that He tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13). The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. If we were given charge over the animals then them being created to be useful for us is a good theory.
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    Why God created the Animals

    God's proclamation of man being given dominion over the animals was for all ages whether it was pre-Fall or after. Even during the pre-Fall age it doesn't mean they couldn't use them for work or transportation and even in pre-Fall animals were still useful to the environment in the same way they are now in certain ways. Again why is it that some people don't understand the purpose of this post. This post was about making THEORIES about why God created the animals. If you didn't get that notion from the beginning then this topic is not for you.
  7. David the Prince

    Why God created the Animals

    God giving dominion over all creatures to man isn't solely about them being for useful purposes. But us having dominion over them does include that in regards to certain kinds and species of animals.
  8. David the Prince

    Why God created the Animals

    So my question was, how do you know it was god that made the animals. There are many reasons why you may expect to see a certain "design pattern" as you put it. So, if there are other possible reasons, how do you know it's god doing the designing? Well, I've already stated you first reason is not good enough to support this claim, based on the info you have supplied so far. And if this is your next reason: You're misunderstanding the purpose of me making this post in the first place. This post wasn't about proving the existence of God it was my personal theories on why God created the animals. This post was intended to be read with the presupposition that God exists. To start I don't how you've taken a translation which you said is plural and translated it to a singular that is a rather large mis-translation and make it look like you're forcing the issue to fit what you want. Also, you cite the Torah as evidence, but how do you know the Torah is actually correct? It's important to know that in the Hebrew language, plural nouns do not always mean plural in number but a plural in power or majesty. For example, to refer to a leader or person of honor, speakers in the Tanakh frequently use the plural of the noun adon("lord"), which is "adonim." If you were to translate it literally it would be "lords" but when applied to one individual it's suppose to imply "a great lord" or "lord of lords." Several biblical characters are called "adonim:" Abraham — Gen 24:9, 10, 51 Potiphar — Gen 39:2, 3, 7, 8, etc. Joseph — Gen 42:30, 33; 44:8 Pharaoh — Gen 40:1 Saul — 1 Sam 26:15, 16; 29:4, 10, etc. Nabal — 1 Sam 25:14, 17 David — 2 Sam 11:9; 1 Kgs 1:11, 33, 43, 47, etc. Jonathan — 2 Sam 16:3; 20:38 Ahab — 1 Kgs 18:8, 11, 14; 2 Kgs 9:7 Elijah — 2 Kgs 2:3, 5, 16; 5:25 Ben-Hadad — (king of Syria) 2 Kgs 6:22, 23, 32; Isa 37:4 Hezekiah — 2 Kgs 18:27; 19:6; Isa 36:12 Messianic King — Ps 45:11, "he is your adonim, bow down to him"
  9. David the Prince

    Why God created the Animals

    I wasn't implying that all animals were created for our pleasure just that a good amount were. The animals that aren't necessarily useful to us have their purposes elsewhere in nature.
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