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Hold that thought . . . 1Pe 1:10-12 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, (11) inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (12) It was revealed to them that they were serving not themselves but you, in the things that have now been announced to you through those who preached the good news to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things into which angels long to look.

Yes. Verse 19. I'm not quoting the verse though, but referring to it. I made some earlier posts about it.

I'm splitting the last replies into the private Worthy Discussions category.

Sometimes I correct bad spelling with my editing permissions, but grammar mistakes are too time consuming to put right as a general practice. @other one has mentioned using "We" instead of "I", in a discussion about having the Holy Spirit with him. Somehow the terms "pronoun" and "gender" got mixed around and the subject of transgenderism emerged. Anyway, for clarity here is a categorized list of English pronouns: Personal Pronouns Subject: I, you, he, she, it, we, they Object: me, you, him, her, it, us, them Possessive Pronouns Used alone: mine, yours, his, hers, ours, theirs Used before nouns: my, your, his, her, its, our, their Reflexive Pronouns myself, yourself, himself, herself, itself, ourselves, yourselves, themselves Demonstrative Pronouns this, that, these, those Interrogative Pronouns who, whom, whose, what, which Relative Pronouns who, whom, whose, which, that Indefinite Pronouns Examples: someone, anyone, everyone, nobody, anything, something, all, none, some, each, few, many, others Reciprocal Pronouns each other, one another Distributive Pronouns each, either, neither There you have it, English pronouns.

About the gender thing with languages, (and my seven years of French at school): Many languages use gendered pronouns and grammatical gender systems where nouns, adjectives, and sometimes verbs are classified as masculine, feminine, or neuter. Here are some examples: Romance Languages: Languages like Spanish, French, and Italian have grammatical gender. For instance, in French, "il" (he) and "elle" (she) are gendered pronouns, and nouns like "le livre" (the book) are masculine, while "la table" (the table) is feminine. Germanic Languages: German has three genders—masculine, feminine, and neuter. Pronouns like "er" (he), "sie" (she), and "es" (it) reflect this system. Slavic Languages: Russian, Polish, and Czech also have grammatical gender. For example, in Russian, "он" (he) and "она" (she) are gendered pronouns. Semitic Languages: Arabic has masculine and feminine forms for pronouns, verbs, and adjectives. For example, "هو" (he) and "هي" (she) are gendered pronouns. Indo-Aryan Languages: Hindi and Sanskrit have grammatical gender. In Hindi, "वह" (he/she) can be gender-neutral in writing but is often pronounced differently for male and female contexts. Modern Hebrew: Like Arabic, Hebrew has gendered pronouns and verbs. For example, "הוא" (he) and "היא" (she). These systems often extend beyond pronouns to influence the entire grammar of the language.

According to Ephesians 2:1-7 Postmortem Evangelism of the righteous is unnecessary. Eph 2:1-7 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins (2) in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— (3) among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (4) But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, (5) even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (6) and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, (7) so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 1 Peter 3:19 has dealt with the spirits in prison, namely those who opposed God in Noah's day and are in Hades. 1 Peter 4:6 The KJV is a better translation for this one because it avoids the error of the so-called "preaching to the dead" (Postmortem Evangelism) which is a misconstruction of what is simply the fact that those who had the gospel preached to them while they were alive subsequently died...and were dead at the time of Peter's writing the epistle. These people were "judged" as trouble makers and put to death for their faith, but of course in Christ live on. I realise there are contrary opinions but that's normally the case with some passages in the Bible so in the end each makes up their own mind. 1Pe 4:6 For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. These saints now deceased in the context above, were subject to scrutiny by those they lived among, showing they believed the gospel and lived it for God.

If you can pick one doctrine you consider false, that would satisfy my curiosity about your need to generalise rather than specify.

Is there a doctrine in particular that you consider false?

Yes, and it's very clever how that works. One of the cleverest things ever to be. Such a sweet, transcendent, harmonious, demonstration of God's investment in humanity.

Everything you post shows up on your Profile Page., even if it has been moved to the Deleted Posts Section behind the scenes. I couldn't find any post from you with a video, but it would have been deleted anyway if it was overlength. What you can do is provide a search reference on YouTube or wherever, that interested members can use.

There are currently no posts waiting approval, and I checked the content in the profile pages of @Edward429451, and there is no post for the Video Section.

Enjoyed both your ride, and my cup of tea while watching. TFP (Thanks for posting)

Those verses don't comport to the context and tense of "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah,"

@Frits & @Retrobyter Please don't start this subject up again. You've had a fair go at it and it's getting fraught. Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty. Statement of Faith We believe in God, the almighty creator of heaven and earth. We believe in the triunity of God. We believe that God is eternally One, and also eternally the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — the three being distinct, but not separate. Each Person of the Godhead coexists from everlasting to everlasting. We believe in the Messiah, Jesus, God’s only begotten son, God come in the flesh. He was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate. He was crucified, died and buried. On the third day, He rose again. Soon afterward He ascended into heaven. Now He is seated at the right hand of the Father and He will return to judge both the living and the dead and reign for evermore.

Divine Judgment Of General Disobedience: Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall be the coming of the Son of Man. Fair Warning Given: 1Pe 1:8-12 Though you have not seen Him, you love Him; and though you do not see Him now, you believe in Him and rejoice with an inexpressible and glorious joy, (9) now that you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. (10) Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, (11) trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow. (12) It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, when they foretold the things now announced by those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. Unbelievers In Prison Metaphorically: 1Pe 3:18-20 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit, (19) in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison (20) who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. New Beginnings For Sinners Symbolised By The Saving Of Eight Souls: 1Pe 3:21-22 And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (22) who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to Him.

Most small groups and congregations have a theme they adhere to. Worthy Forums has watchmen and gatekeepers to deal with serious imbalances, like antisemitism in its various forms. Some members have pet-hates and seem to look for opportunities to post them. Taken to extreme that constitutes flaming, which gets nipped in the bud when reported.

Some people think that because God knows everything, being infinite and eternal, this means He predetermines everything. Admittedly everything that happens fits into the framework of existence past, present, and future, but the full extent of that framework is not within our capacity to fully comprehend in this life. I've had numerous near death experiences which have led me to conclude these two things: 1. God's Plan includes nature being allowed to take its course. 2. God's Plan includes His being ready to intervene in the course of nature. There's an interesting passage in Ephesians 5 that speaks of Christ loving the ekklesia (aka church) and giving His life for it. That means the ekklesia is something really special to God. Regardless of our circumstances, from our birth to our death, the end result is what matters, for which we are being prepared according to God's Plan. It isn't FATE that determines what happens to us, but FAITH. Eph 5:25-29 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it, (26) that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, (27) that He might present it to Himself as the glorious church, without spot or wrinkle or any such things, but that it should be holy and without blemish. (28) So men ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. (29) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, even as the Lord loves the church.

Circular Reasoning. Something is right because you know it.

Strawman argument. Way off.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Col 2:9 For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

WHO IS CHRIST? That’s My King By Dr. S.M. Lockridge (In the Public Domain) The Bible says my King is a seven-way king.... He's the King of the Jews; that's a racial king.... He's the King of Israel; that's a national King.... He's the King of Righteousness.... He's the King of the Ages..... He's the King of Heaven.... He's the King of Glory.... He's the King of kings, and He's the Lord of lords. That's my King. Well....I wonder, do you know Him?.... David said, "The Heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork." My King is a sovereign King. No means of measure can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of His shoreless supply. No barrier can hinder Him from pouring out His blessings. He's enduringly strong....He's entirely sincere....He's eternally steadfast....He's immortally graceful....He's imperially powerful....He's impartially merciful....... Do you know Him? He's the greatest phenomenon that ever crossed the horizon of this world. He's God's Son....He's a sinner's Saviour....He's the centerpiece of civilization....He stands in the solitude of Himself....He's august....He's unique....He's unparalleled....He's unprecedented....He's the loftiest idea in literature....He's the highest personality in philosophy....He's the supreme problem in higher criticism....He's the fundamental doctrine of true theology....He's the cardinal necessity for spiritual religion....He's the miracle of the age.... He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him....He's the only one qualified to be an all sufficient Saviour...... I wonder if you know Him today? He supplies strength for the weak....He's available for the tempted and the tried....He sympathizes and He saves....He strengthens and sustains....He guards and He guides....He heals the sick....He cleanses lepers....He forgives sinners....He discharges debtors....He delivers captives....He defends the feeble....He blesses the young....He serves the unfortunate....He regards the aged....He rewards the diligent....and He beautifies the meek....... I wonder if you know Him? Well, my King....is the King....He's the key to knowledge....He's the wellspring to wisdom....He's the doorway of deliverance....He's the pathway of peace....He's the roadway of righteousness ....He's the highway of holiness....He's the gateway of glory....... Do you know Him? Well....His office is manifold....His promise is sure....His light is matchless....His goodness is limitless....His mercy is everlasting....His love never changes....His word is enough....His grace is sufficient....His reign is righteous....and His yoke is easy, and his burden is light. I wish I could describe Him to you, but He's indescribable....He's incomprehensible....He's invincible....He's irresistible. Well, you can't get Him out of your mind....You can't get Him off of your hand....You can't out live Him, and you can't live without Him....The Pharisees couldn't stand Him, but they found out they couldn't stop Him....Pilate couldn't find any fault in Him....The witnesses couldn't get their testimonies to agree....Herod couldn't kill Him....Death couldn't handle Him, and the grave couldn't hold Him. Yea!!!, that's my King, that's my King. Father..."Thine is the Kingdom....and the Power....and the Glory....Forever"....and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. How long is that? And ever...and ever...and when you get through with all the forevers, then.... AMEN!....AMEN!

The sacrificial system of the Old Testament points to Christ, whose earthly genealogy includes Adam, and so He is termed the second Adam. Those who want to unpick the weave of Biblical Truth do themselves a disservice, and weaken the whole foundation of their faith, given that the need for redemption is based on the disobedience of Adam and Eve as the progenitors of all people.

You have an amusing way of putting things, @Saint_Dude Speaking of Bible Study, are there any other verses that you could expand this thread with? Don't quit now

Members who push Universalism in die-hard fashion tend to get into trouble. Some have carried on the discussion in the Pavilion Non-conformist Theology Section, away from public view. It's been a subject for General Discussion like a lot of variant beliefs.

Enter Candidate B: When asked by the Examiner to choose one of the pens he takes them both from their holder, inspecting each of them in turn. On one of them he notices some hardly distinguishable letters embossed onto the barrel of the pen in the form of an acronym, which reads D.I.S.A.V.O.W. Candidate B selects the acronym embossed pen, holding it in his right hand, and replaces the other pen in one of the holders, - the left one.