DavidReese

In all my study's around Christian sites, the best I found was someone that says that in Babylon there will be them that are alive go to heaven, then Babylon will be destroyed. When Babylon is destroyed the dead in Christ rise and go to heaven from both places. Then after the dead rise a short time after them alive will go to heaven. Not sure if the dead rise first in Babylon just assume. Babylon destruction in one day. As in Revelation our destruction is not in one day. Two raptures and one dead in Christ rise.

Sorry about that. First woe is the 6th Trumpet, Two witness are killed Second woe 5th Trumpet Pestilence sent to them army's Third woe 4th Trumpet, Sun is smitten

I see what your saying but it's not easy to believe it without any proper interpretations. I must have interpretations. Revelation 7, before earth is destroyed many are sealed. After that John see all saints in heaven praising the Father and His Son Jesus as if all is finished. Then them that in robes made it pass the great tribulation will be in heaven with Jesus as if some will not? Now these four beast I see report matters in 4 of the seals as if i where happening to them. I don;t see the as kings, nation of sort but of something else maybe a planet or earth itself. The four beast are the same Ezekiel sees and some of the other prophets.

Thank you so much Revelation. I see that Jesus has finished all the power points plus the end. 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And this also fulfilled because the end being a flood ( war ) 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And the interpretation of flood in Daniel is the same in Revelation as it is said below. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 458BC to 33AD equals 490 years. Thanks again Revelation Man. Just wondered how you came to that conclusion.

Hello Revelation. So your post assumes the Jesus did not fulfill the prophesy of the 70,s in Daniel. Can you show me where that it was not fulfilled, my understanding says it is complete. Thank you.

Just for instance I kinda have to study very hard to understand. A fountain can be like a spring or a Christain A river can be river or living water from Christ then again a star = Angel,or star = Israel, or visa verses 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; Thinking to much again

Hello Dennis do you use any type of interpretation chart when studying Revelations. Things like Stars = Angels, There are so many of them in that book

Being simple in my mind the three woes because I believe the two witnesses are one of the woes. This army kills the two witnesses. 14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. Then the second woe, because of the sixth trumpet 9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. Then the third woe, the sun is smitten and earth rotates faster in turn will cause the grass to die off 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! My little mind though? Just makes me think

I agree grass would be last to die off and like you said first to grow back if that fits? I read a post of someone that said the first will be last and the last will be first but the Sabbath is last day and the woe's are the same. He put the woe's as 6, the 5 then 4 trumpet, I kinda see some of the sixes beginning to develop now, May by the end all things are happening together ? That would be bad.

Jesus wraps all things up after explaining things to Nicodemus in one verse. There are many scriptures about this. Isaiah 42 speaks of Jesus coming. John 3 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Jesus speaking of coming to the prison we are in. Luke 4 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Hello Meta. Your dream is very similar as this Angel. This is how I understand it. This Angel came from heaven, Nobody knows who the Angel is, this is why it states (clothed with a cloud) There is a rainbow, there is also a rainbow about the throne and o course after the great flood, so this Angel is given knowledge from the throne. His face as the sun as all Angels face looks like the Father. His feet is of fire where he speaks will not be the same as the preachers you hear today. I will go more after you reply 10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Hello I'm sorry about all these post just was stuck on the most terrible as I see in Revelation besides not coming to Jesus. So I do a search on first last. It seems Jesus has a lot to say about it, after all He is the creator. Others say this also. What if the vials are first beginning with the six vial. Because Jesus states the last seven can they really be first ? Matthew 19:30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Matthew 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Matthew 27:64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Mark 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Mark 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Then I look over at the vials. Then this can cause all grass to be burned up 7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Again I may be wrong. Common sense says this belongs with the fourth trumpet. I don't know but it's just the way I think ?

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. This could affect the grass to burned up 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. This wouldn't affect the grass. Because of the interpretation. 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. This would cause grass to be gone if the world spins faster 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. Then three woes. Really 13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound! I may be wrong but I think it is all backwards but didn't touch on the others sounds. Maybe common sense don't apply.

Nice grid. But they are not in the correct order. As in the first trumpet and the interpretations of them. This world we be dead if all the grass is gone. I would place it at the end of time.

I think yes. I'll explain Great Britain and United States. Of course Great Britain wasn't called that back in 770 AD. This is when they by war won, they thought to send evangelism into that area. In other words spread the good news about Jesus. United States did the same thing. But now in these last days they turn that country back to that of their own. I think God has blessed these nations because of this. But these witnessed have become as filthy rags to God.

Sorry then the white horse 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The seals are not in correct order, they just can,t be because of the events. The white horse being possible blessed by Jesus it would have started a long time ago at least when christian nation came to be and will go on til the end of this world. Possibly the first and the last even when the smoke clears. The fourth seems to come first 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. To kill with hunger as the above, as the third seal shows. Notice below in the midst of the four beast. food gets very expensive 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. Makes me think the great sword is hunger. Food will make people kill each other for sure 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Then 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Hello, again just thinking. I agree the first two seems different then the other two. As I study these four beast what gets me is John is in heaven by the throne and it is said come and see, come and see four times with each of the first four. Makes me think that when he looks and sees, he is looking at our planet and what is happening at that moment. Also makes me think that the planet is changing on each one. As I study some of the prophets with similar visions they are called a seraphim or cherubim. Could a planet or a star be that thing. Maybe my thinking is going off the edge? I don't know but it seems to be related.

Just thinking too much about this probably. Maybe the red horse is Satan's army the great red dragon and the white Jesus army's. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Thank you TCC. By a matter of elimination that makes the white horse a lion. By association Israel or Jesus as in the beginning of Revelation. Just thinking might these lions be of the tribe of Israel or maybe the two witnesses that run ? Maybe a couple nations ?

Revelation 6:3 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. The second beast is like a calf Revelation 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. The third the face of a man Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. The fourth is a flying eagle Makes me think things get worst. 4 seal then 3 seal then 2 seal not stated on where the white horse is.

Maybe I should point out some things of the four. It's not stated that is the first last or even in between but just one of the seals ? Also one of the beast. Also the four are saying by one of the four beast. 6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Being Jesus returns on a white horse I would think that the seal of the white horse is blessed by Jesus maybe ?

I'm sorry but I believe if God wrote it We are to understand it or its for nothing. To understand this completely the terms need to be understood. Books ? Every generation have used books or word of mouth in BC many books were of the prophets. Today it's the bible in its many versions. God is good. If He judges surely you will know. Can these books be some, I say yes. How can any understand without any terms known. All terms need understood even lake of fire. Waiting for a reply ? Sorry I only ask for truth.

n2. I thought that all lives are recorded. I read a lot of books of prophets. Didn't Enoch write books and the sins of mankind.