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  1. Genesis 35:11 "And God said unto him, "I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;" Where are these NATIONS today? As for replacement,don't like the term,as Israel has always been the Church Are you suggesting all of Israel are Jew's?
  2. Let's go up a few verses Zechariah 12:7 "The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah." The house of Judah are the Jew's,the two houses will not be joined back until the return of Christ,the ten tribes are not Jew's My point was everybody in the world alive when He returns will believe upon Him,why do you think every knee will bow? What did I say against the Jewish people that's not true?Most in that nation of Israel don't believe in Christ
  3. Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." On that "Day of the Lord" Jesus Christ returns to earth and He will bind Satan, the Antichrist, all the things of the flesh and all of his fallen angels. All the peoples of every nation on earth will gather in Jerusalem to make war with our Lord Jesus Christ. Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." This verse is directed to both houses [nations]; "the House of Judah" [the Jews], and "the House of Israel" [Christians]. The time of Zechariah's writing this was about 500 years prior to Jesus Christ's death on the cross. The Lord is telling us through Zechariah that He would be pierced, or thrust through with a spear, so His Spirit of Grace could be offered to both Houses, Israel and Judah. God's word is perfect; and when Jesus was asked a question to trip Him up, His answer always started; "It is written...", and that is the same reason why we need to know His Word. When all the people on the face of this earth see Christ at His return at the last trumpet, we are told in Revelation 1:7; "Behold, he cometh with clouds [the heavenly hosts]; and every eye shall see [and know] Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindred's of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen". This is Jesus Christ's second coming, and the event of Zechariah 12:10. Upon the arrival of the Antichrist [Satan, the falling star], at the fifth trumpet [Revelation 9:1], it will be in the same manner, and a counterfeit of similar events [the white horses] as to what Christians expect from the arrival of the true Messiah [Christ]. If a Christian does not know this at the time of Satan's arrival, he will be deceived. In ignorance he will fall in love with Satan. In fact, Jesus said that he will be so convinced that he will drag his family and friends also to the Antichrist. Then when the true Christ, Jesus Christ comes that Christian will see Him in far more splendor then when the Antichrist came, and he will be shamed for what he has done. All those Christians who have bowed to Satan will be rejected by Christ for playing the role of the harlot, and the "mourning and wailing" will be because you were deceived by the Antichrist and his Kenite children, into marrying the wrong Christ. We are living in the generation this verse of Zechariah is aimed at. Zechariah 12:11 "In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon [Ha-dad-rim'-mon] in the valley of Megiddon." Once again, as in this whole chapter, it is bringing us to the "Day of the Lord"; the last day of this earth age. Let's try to understand a few important things here. The "valley of Megiddon", is also called "Megiddo". The meaning of this word "Megiddo" in the Hebrew is "the gathering point". Megiddo is the area in the tiny nation of Israel where people from the entire earth shall gather for the final battle, which is referred to as the battle of "Armageddon" in the religious community. The purpose of gathering at Megiddo is to go to war against our Lord and Savior, when He comes with the hosts of the heavens [you know, mom and pop who have died and gone to be with Him]. This gathering also took place because of the celebrations going on in the streets of Jerusalem because of the murdering of the two witnesses by Satan. Satan is ruling from Jerusalem, and this is also when and where he has just declared himself to be God which is "the abomination by the desolator". This is also the final day that the Antichrist will have any powers over mankind, for his deceitfulness will be revealed on that day, and he will be removed. Ezekiel 38 and 39 discuss the details of that battle, along with the battle of Hammon-gog. The Millennium age will start on this day, the "Day of the Lord".
  4. In order to get one,rapturist must separate the Church from Israel,and that simply can't be done,to think the Jew's will believe upon Christ when they see Him is straight foolishness,and is nowhere in God's Word!!! All will know who He is at His return,however if you don't believe upon the Son before that time,they will be lost just like anybody else One must have faith now John 14:6 ESV / Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. So can someone tell me how the Jew's get to the Father without Christ?
  5. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Gal.3:28–292). At the heart of a currently popular end–times theology is the belief that God has two distinct people—one of whom must be raptured before God can continue His plan with the other. Rather than teaching that God has two categories of people, Scripture reveals only one chosen people who form one covenant community, beautifully symbolized by one cultivated olive tree. First, far from communicating a distinction between Israel and the church, the Scriptures from beginning to end reveal that God has only ever had one chosen people purchased “from every tribe and tongue and language and nation” (Rev.5:9). As Paul explains, the “mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus” (Eph.3:6, emphasis added). Indeed, the precise terminology used to describe the children of Israel in the Old Testament is ascribed to the church in the New Testament. Peter calls them “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1Pet.2:9). Ultimately, they are the one chosen people of God, not by virtue of their genealogical relationship to Abraham, but by virtue of their genuine relationship to “the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God” (1Pet.2:4). Furthermore, just as the Old and New Testaments reveal only one chosen people, so too, they reveal only one covenant community. While that one covenant community is physically rooted in the offspring of Abraham—whose number would be like that of “the stars” of heaven (Gen.15:5) or “the dust of the earth” (Gen.13:16)—it is spiritually grounded in one singular Seed. Paul makes this explicit in his letter to the Galatians: “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed’ meaning one person, who is Christ” (Gal.3:16). As Paul goes on to explain: “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Gal.3:29). The faithful remnant of Old Testament Israel and New Testament Christianity are together the one genuine seed of Abraham and thus heirs according to the promise. This remnant is not chosen on the basis of religion or race but rather on the basis of relationship to the resurrected Redeemer. Finally, the one chosen people, who form one covenant community, are beautifully symbolized in the book of Romans as one cultivated olive tree (see Rom.11:11–24). The tree symbolizes Israel; its branches symbolize those who believe; and its root symbolizes Jesus—the root and the offspring of David (Rev.22:16). Natural branches broken off represent Jews who reject Jesus. Wild branches grafted in represent Gentiles who receive Jesus. Thus says Paul, “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children….In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring” (Rom.9:6–8). Jesus is the one genuine seed of Abraham! And all clothed in Christ constitute one congruent chosen covenant community connected by the cross.3 — Hank Hanegraaff
  6. Again,what I see is in separating Israel from the Church Let's go to Gen to see what I'm saying Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;" The "gate of his enemies" is the passage ways that the enemies go through to get to your lands, your homes and your peoples. God is telling us the He will give us the victory over all our enemies, for through God, it is us that controls our gates. When we look around the world there are many gates that our enemies must pass through to get to us, and Christian nations have controlled them all. The canals, the passage ways, the high grounds; and even in the case of Alaska, the passage way to our homeland from the far east and Russia, God has given to America that for such a small price. This is a promise to both the House of Israel [Christian Nations], and the House of Judah [Jews] that they would always posses the gates of their enemies. Who has the nation of Israel blessed ,for without the Christian nations that come to their(Nation of Israel)aide they would not be. Genesis 22:18 "And in you seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice." Today it is the Christians that stand up for one another, and that what ever blessing of the earth come through. There has always been sin in the world, and as a child of God we must act like a child of God, and have enough of a back bone to speak out when those around us are getting out of line. This not only applies to us in a personal sense, but as the body of Christ, and also the officials that are over us. The blessings come with the responsibilities. As of right now most of the state of Israel CANNOT be God's people as they don't even believe in Christ Can anyone on this forum tell me how this can be so?
  7. All good,thanks for the response
  8. I don't see more than one,so the best I can do is the below Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,," Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven." This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord. This is prophesy that will come in the very near future. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." This is when he comes to earth pretending to be Christ
  9. he's in Heaven,but for real though,they not gonna know until Christ Himself returns.
  10. Check out the below and let me know what you think. As I do see Russia as Esau
  11. Can anyone see Russia as that nation of Esau?
  12. n2thelight

    Two Nations

    Genesis 25:23 "And the Lord said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." My question,where are they today?
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