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I'm just getting used to the format of the board. Thank you other one!

My dear fellow neighbor, Grace through faith has always been grace through faith, and will continue as God allows to be grace through faith. It has always been through the Lamb that was slain and will continue to be through the Lamb that was slain. And the body of Christ, (the messiah) has always been the body of Christ (the messiah).

Well, not exactly pot bellied!

This is some sort of dispensational reasoning, isn't it?

Has this one got you scratching your heads?

Oh, now I get where you're coming from. But its my belief that grace through faith saved you before and after the cross. The Old Testament saints knew the Lamb was coming and in faith, believed in their redemption. Whereas the New Testament saints saw their redemption and believed their report. The O.T. saints were no less part of the body of Christ than the N.T. saints.

That advice coming from me: an old, grey, pot bellied, full of wrinkles and maybe a bit smelly sorta guy...

Cess, Have thought maybe you ought to maybe discuss it with him? I'm sorry, but I can be dumber than a box of rocks and think on simple terms.

I am so sorry. Forgive me, but I'm not making heads or tales of that. Are you saying the body of Christ didn't exist until Saul of Tarsus?

Well, the OP was about joy in heaven even though a bunch of our loved one chose not to be there. Our understanding will be perfect at that time. We'll understand that "it is what it is" and be comforted by the Lord until the tears are wiped away by God.

Your response boggles me. You don't believe that at the rapture, we receive our glorified body? Of course they have no ties to this sinful flesh. What did you think I meant?

If you don't mind me giving my take on the subject, why not use a little holy logic. In other words, take the Savior at His word. My first reference is in John 10:26, where Jesus is being very plain spoken about those who belongs to Him. John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 10:30 I and my Father are one. Do you see the word never in verse 27? The Lord said; “and they shall never perish“. The word never comes from the Greek words “ou me”, “oo may”; a double neg. strengthening the denial; not at all:–any more, at all, by any (no) means, neither, never, no (at all), in no case (wise), nor ever, not (at all, in any wise). In other words, not ever going to perish in hell. Very strong meaning there and the Savior intended it to be that way so there’s no question about it. The second thing I want you to note is what follows this statement: “neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand“. The word “pluck” that also comes from the Greek, is harpazo and means: har-pad’-zo; to seize (in various applications):–catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force). Are you strong enough to take someone out of the Lord’s hand? Well Jesus even went further on to say that not only are the redeemed in His hand but also in the Lord God’s hand. Then He made even the further interjection in verse 30 that “I and my Father are one“. If you think that you can over power the Lord Jesus Christ and remove His redeemed from His hand, think again. He is God! Neither can you pluck yourself from His hand. I just showed you where Jesus said a very plain statement about salvation. Then there are those that would say that Jesus really didn’t mean this and that some previously saved sheep will jump out of the Lords hand. Well, that can’t be. Why? Well look at the following scripture verses from Matthew that speak of the Great White Throne judgment. Some say that this is where even the once saved who lost their salvation will be judged. That’s impossible however. This is the judgement of all the lost who never accepted Jesus as their savior. Absolutely none . Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Notice the Savior said “I never knew you” in verse 23. If these folks had been saved at one time, the Lord couldn’t say I never knew you. That would be lying and we know the Savior can’t lie because in John 10:27 he says "I know them". Get my meaning?

Well Scott. I believe that all will be there. Our born again soul, the spirit God gave us, and the glorified body. God's creation restored to what it was intended to be in the first place.

How many have the contention that Amos 8:11-12 had already been fulfilled? Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. Did the word of God actually disappear? Just curious on your thoughts. Not what Doctor so and so had to say on the matter.

Dog gone it. And I thought it was "set" you free all this time.

Huh? For real, the born again at Pentecost weren't part of the body of Christ? No, not buying it. You'll have to dumb this down a bit. At least for me.

That's why I love the song, What a day that will be! There'll be no sorrow there No more burdens to bare No more sickness, no more pain No more parting over there And forever I will be With the one who died for me What a day, glorious day, that will be!