childoftheking

I see your view!! However, the term glorified, sanctified, etc really is not used in a specific term for the bodies we get entering into Heaven. Technically, IMPERISHABLE would be a better term.

Until we reach sanctification (which is when our current body becomes sanctified in the presence of God), we are living through the transformation under Grace. We will never be perfect on Earth, but Grace allows our transition to be uninterrupted over sins we struggle with. Therefore, NO ONE could survive the process of transition, unless GRACE was there to ensure our Salvation. So in essence, No Grace = no transition, no transition can take place unless there is Grace!! They work co-equally!! It's like taking a job you have no experience in and are given 90 days to see if you catch on. During those 90 days, you are expected to make some mistakes without losing your job. This would be GRACE. The process of learning your job would be transition. But you cannot have one without the other!!

The church for now is a continual growing Body until God is ready for the next step in His plan. When GOD was speaking things into existence, to which we read in Genesis Chapter 1, He already knew who would be born, who would be believers of those who would be born, and how many members His Church/Bride would be. When we reach that number, there is no longer a need for the Church to remain.

The rapture, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. As you read verse 13, you discover that Christians in Thessalonica were grieving over the unexpected deaths of members of their congregation. ***so Paul answers their concerns over being able to see their dead friends again:*** Verse 17 in the New King James Version: “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” hahahahahahaha you turned Paul's answer to the church in Thessalonica over if they would ever see their dead friends/family again into a FALSE DEMONIC PRE-TRIB RAPTURE hahahahahahahaha No wonder you have Dementia and the first stage of Alzheimer's, you are spreading LIES and ticking God off!!

Many Christians have attempted to do this. As a consequence, the doctrine of the Rapture has arisen. So important has it become to many that the teaching is now sanctioned in some circles as the prime revelation from God to show what will happen to members of His ekklesia just before and during the Second Coming of Christ. Some of the greatest friends of the Holy Scriptures have accepted this teaching (and they teach this false doctrine even by mistranslating the phrase “first resurrection” as “the former resurrection” in Revelation 20:5). If one translates the word correctly as “first,” then it means the resurrection of Christians occurs after the Tribulation, and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Theory is shown to be false. 1

Is the Rapture in Scripture? Ultimately we must assess doctrine not on the narrative of church history, but on the text of Scripture. That fact that the secret rapture, and dispensationalism, are the new kids on the eschatological block doesn’t necessarily mean they are false. Previous generations could have misinterpreted their Bibles. As Protestants we hold Scripture, not church tradition, to be authoritative. But the secret rapture faces biblical challenges as well. There are no biblical texts that explicitly teach it or anything like a two-stage coming of Jesus. Passages that supposedly describe the secret rapture could just as easily be read as referring to the glorious second coming, and in fact have been read that way throughout the church’s history.

You are living a lie that even John Darby himself admitted was just an idea. You have turned an idea from a man into a reality that is factually incorrect to scripture. I have no worries, I absolutely do not believe in what John Darby was thinking. After all, he NEVER CONCLUDED it was scripturally sound!! So anyone following his idea also does not have sound scripture to back it. They are following an IDEA created by a man, not actually following God!!

And yet, we know from John, Yeshua claimed the FATHER was doing the speaking/teaching/miracles through Him. So, Matthew 24 was actually the FATHER speaking about the coming Tribulation. The Father said, only He knows. But He was clear Trib begins, Trib ends, then He sends Yeshua to gather the Elect!!

Yeah, and you clearly have no idea what WRATH of God is: I've provided scripture proving it's Armageddon and final Judgement (Lake of Fire). Your memory is shot. One has to answer the same question by you continuously. You must have Dementia or the beginnings of Alzheimer's. No wonder you believe you heard from God, your mind is in several stages of changing that has no relation to reality at all!!

In the scope of things, 1 out of every 1,000 people of the current 8 billion people profess to be a believer. This can be applied to everyone who already lived and died. So the dead in Christ currently no longer among the living is be FAR LESS in numbers than those who profess to be a believer TODAY. So, maybe you should understand many more things before trying to make a conclusion. Revelations 7 John asked the Angel, who are these people? They were a multitude of people from every nation, creed, tongue, kin, language too big for John to count. The Angel replied, these SURVIVED the Tribulation. So, there will be more ELECT surviving Tribulation than there were ELECT that had already lived and died. The problem with most people, they get a scripture, they apply that scripture, but they never consider the facts going into this process. Statistics state 7 billion people died in the Flood and 8 people survived (Noah): That same percentage or like % can be applied in humanity throughout the ages. For every one believer, there has always be 1,000++ non believers. So, the Dead in Christ is not as great of a number as those professing to be Christian Today!! And not everyone professing to be Christian actually are a true believer!!

Grace is the fact that we will always be sinners until we finally meet our Lord and Maker. Grace is the transition while becoming more like Yeshua (if that is actually possible), it awards us the security based upon the condition that we are subjecting our flesh to death in order to conquer the desire to sin. But if we conclude that as a sinner, who is going to fail, and still continues to be rewarded by Grace, we have manipulated Grace to a license to sin justifying each sin committed to being under Grace. Now we have become legalistic. Some preach if you sin, there is no reason to seek forgiveness because of Grace. Man seems to always find a way to be comforted, even while living an outright lie!!

I cannot imagine God pouring out His Amazing Grace upon someone who does not abide by the first Commandment : "Thou shalt have no other gods before ME!!"

Of course I can forgive others, it's rather easy when you put into context what God did for myself by His forgiveness He granted to me. I was creating a scenario in my last post, which you ignored to give your personal view of things. Which I am not whole heartedly disagreeing by any means at all. I understand that even though Yeshua told the Jew's He represented the MERCY of God to them, we also know, He represented the GRACE of God to the Gentiles. But back to my scenario: If one would withhold forgiveness to another, it seems they do not deserve the Grace which Paul explains in great detail. And if they do, then man has created the "License to Sin," which is incorrect on all views and not remotely close to what Paul was speaking about.

Yeshua taught us the Lord's Prayer: There was one staple concerning that prayer we must follow 100% to guarantee our own sins to be forgiven: (1) We must first forgive those who have sinned against us!! Now, we ain't God, nor can we say by our work on the CROSS (ALL sin - Past/Present/Future) was covered by our shed Blood. Since we cannot make that claim, we therefore cannot make the claim that from this moment, "anyone who sins against me is forgiven." We just do not have that right to do as such. The right that we do have is IF/WHEN someone does sin against us, we can THEN forgive them. But what IF WE DO NOT forgive them? Yeshua's Prayer claims the Father WILL NOT forgive us. And since forgiving others is a constant ongoing process, and it predicates that WHEN WE DO FORGIVE, Our Father then forgives us. By your claim, Paul's message of Grace would supercede What Yeshua (God) taught: that to be forgiven, we must first forgive!! I don't see how it is therefore possible, that Paul trumps Yeshua concerning, "must forgive to be forgiven!!"

God NEVER CHANGES, He is the SAME Yesterday, Today, and every Tomorrow until Tomorrow stops coming!! If He saw it was GOOD HIS CHOSEN and FAITHFUL suffered Yesterday, He still views it GOOD for HIS CHOSEN to suffer Today and Tomorrow!! Your Pre-Trib theory claims by proxy that God has CHANGED. That is bottom line BLASPHEMOUS towards the consistency and character of God!!

God is NOT MOCKED!! Yeshua specifically said, Trib begins, Trib ends, then He returns and the Elect (Church/Bride) is then gathered!! You then claim that God specifically told you there will be a Pre-Trib. But you are not getting that from God by His own words, you gathered that by the combination of other people. The Holy Spirit would NEVER go against what Yeshua said, but you claim that is what God has done. Therefore, YOU are MOCKING GOD!! You want to know why your LIES are not being received? Because we know what Yeshua specifically said. And we know that God would NEVER go against what Yeshua said, because like you pointed out in another topic within this thread...YESHUA IS NOT TALKING, THE FATHER IS TALKING THROUGH YESHUA. So, Matthew 24 are the words of the FATHER!! And by proxy, you are calling the FATHER a liar!!

Hmmmm, we have discussed this verse before. It relates to the previous 2 verses: And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Tribulation and snares like being drunk, stoned, being concerned of this world are not even the same thing. A snare is a trap, Tribulation is what is going to happen. One is a form of addiction (snare), the other is a 7 year TRIAL God allows His Elect to go through (Like God has allowed ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS to go through trials). Isaiah was cut in half with a WOODEN SAW Peter was crucified upside down Job lost his family, had boils, and his friends told him to curse God and die Saul tried to kill David over and over Noah went through the Flood Paul was tortured before being killed John was exiled to Patmos God in human form and flesh was beaten and crucified Elijah was threatened by Jezebel who vowed to kill him Jeremiah died in captivity as a slave, same with Daniel Stephen was stoned to death John the Baptist (Yeshua claimed to be the greatest Prophet EVER) was beheaded The list is ENDLESS that GOD DID NOT SAVE THESE FOLLOWERS from their Tribulation. God allowed them to be tortured, to be slaves, to have horrible things done to them over and over, to be murdered, to be in the hands of the ENEMY, God allows Isaiah to be sawed in half by a wooden saw... YOU think you are better than any of these Great men of God? That YOU somehow deserve to miss the Tribulation? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU and ME are not even in the same breath as these Great Men of God. IF GOD ALLOWED THEM TO SUFFER AND GO THROUGH TRIBULATIONS, who do YOU think you are that God is letting you escape? Not sure what you're smoking, but I'd set the pipe down A.S.A.P. and get my head on straight, and understand that compared to these Great Men of God who God made suffer, you don't COMPARE to any of them and YOU WILL ALSO SUFFER through the Tribulation like the rest of us will!!

He made everyone He healed acknowledge to something in order to see their faith. You are clueless!! Even when He told the Gentile woman He was not there for her (yet) (He was there for the Jews), she replied, even the dogs eat the crumbs from the Master's table. He said, YOUR FAITH...before saying, Go, your daughter is healed!!

Yeshua was talking about ALL BELIEVERS. I am not speaking of End Times, I am speaking EVERYONE we read about in scripture either suffered, was tortured, murdered all for their faith in Yahweh. God HAS NO REASON to keep anyone from suffering some sort of real Tribulation. He did say, they hated Him first and they will hate you!! There is no escaping, there is surviving through God!!

He knew who touched Him, it's why He said after she admitted to doing it, "Your faith has made you whole!!"

God is not a respecter of persons. That prayer can be applied from Genesis to Revelation in seeing how EVERYONE suffered for being a follower of God!! Your COWARD VIEWS put you specifically where JUDAS IS AT, a COWARD!!

It interests me that you are calling God a Liar here by your answer. My Canon specifies that God IS NOT a respecter of persons. You claim that Yeshua's prayer is only specific to some and the others are just on their own... Your views are so severely twisted it's like reading the Satanic bible...

Twist however you need to twist it!! Whatever we read happened to believers and their trials will happen to us. WE Americans have never been tried, but we will during the Tribulation!!

No mortal human could have been near Him unless he emptied Himself. But that does not mean He was emptied of being all knowing, it means He was emptied of ALL we will see Him as in Paradise. He did not guess those things He predicted that ALL have taken place, He already knew they were going to happen. And as usual, you ave twisted scripture: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: States NOTHING OF WHAT YOU CLAIM. States he became a man, which is like dog crap stuck to the bottom of a shoe compared to who He is in Heaven. Does not claim He was not God, or did not have the abilities of God, just that He was made like YOU and ME!!

This verse is clearly about COMMON SENSE. Those with it can see the OBVIOUS Those without it CANNOT What is the OBVIOUS? They ARE NOT BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD...but God is protecting them from the evil one. in plain English: God IS NOT taking us out of the world during Tribulation, but God is protecting us from the Adversary and his goons during the Tribulation!!