Completed Israelite

That's from the "Aramaic English new testament" But what every person should know, like "appy" incorectly spoke about just now.....any time you see the words "The Law" or instruction, teaching, lawlessness etc... it all derives from the Hebrew word Torah, theres no speculation here, all scholars know this.....and John is not a white guy. He is a middle eastern man of ancient times of Judaisim, named Yochanon. Rest assured my brother, that's exactly what he said. Salvation by Torah was and still is a ancient false doctrine, bc it says in Torah "Noah found grace" it says in Torah "Abraham was counted Rightoues by Faith" it says in Torah He will circumsie the Heart, and to write the Torah upon our Hearts and live it. But never once in whole bible does it say we are saved by it or get to live eternally for following it lol... As Paul said in Romans it is(Torah) the FULL knowedge of sin! Just as 1st john said. Sin is the breaking of torah There is no contradictions in His mighty word. So yes, when you put up a Xmass tree, you are in sin. When you (like me) prefer poor ppl to rich you are in sin. When you eat a unclean beast, yes it's a sin. These are biblical facts. And we cant willing sin, once we join covenant.

Yes people confused salvation with Torah, that's what your seeing in acts 15 brother. Notice the first line you highlighted....Ye cannot be saved! This was just a false doctrine at the time, as Gods instruction(Torah) was NEVER the means of salvation....i said never...Noah found grace, Abraham counted rightoues by faith, thats apart of Torah, ppl in the West confuse Torah with commandments only, it also includes creation and multiple chosen ones of Israel etc. And ppl over look a major clue of Torah at the very back....There is never again been a PROPHET like moses....haha yes Torah is all prophecy as well...this is all to be wrote on our heart in Newest covenant. When you look at acts 15.....verse 21 should draw your eye the very most, bc not until AFTER then with the ELDERS OF JUDAISIM agree. It's showing that they still expected the converts to learn Torah, but in the way that's echoed by Isiaha "commandment by commandment, line by line, a bit here, a bit there" at Thier own pace...So they gave them a list how to better fellowship with Jews as they entered synogoge on Shabbat. And don't let Paul's *letters* Fool you, Peter warned about that. And Paul never once spoke against circumsion of baby's on the 8th day etc. He was talking to a very specific group of ppl, who wanted to circumsice for wrong reason "to boast in the flesh" He is what we call in Judaisim....Talmud...rabbinical commentary...He is not being told from God "write this down" and if your unlearned in Torah u will not understand rabbi Paul. Moses said listen to all the Messiah says....He said not one Yod or tiddle will pass from Torah until heaven and earth pass away, all who DO and Teach, and all those who dont...etc... It's extremely clear. And like I said there's 5 covenants and the rainbow still holds true, and so did circumsion from Abraham into the mosaic...And likewise the mosaic into the Final covenant . Every commandment from unclean animals to shewing a mother bird off the best b4 u take her eggs will bring you closer to God, thru His Messiah... Like it says in revaltion "those who keep the commandments of God and has testimony of Yeshua(Jesus).

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." -2nd Tim 4:3 let us not fall into this statistic friends. Jacob(james)3.1 "let there not be many teachers among you, my brothers, knowing that as such we will receive a more severe judgement" Leviticus 19.15 "'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly." Here is a Torah commandment for Gods People, I have to admit I'm failing here, I do have a partiality to the poor, that is a sin on my part bc I broke another one of Gods commands, now that this has been made known to Me, it is something else I now need to work on, and have this new understanding of This Torah command wrote on my heart now, and preform it physically as well. We see a whole section in the book of Jacob(james) on this one command. James 2.9 "But if you have partiality towards persons, you commit sin, and you are convicted by Torah, as breakers of Torah" the whole Torah is to be wrote on our Hearts friends. That's the New covenant, where we sin in ignorance, is one thing, but after the knowledge is made known to us, we have to repent, and stop to the best of our ability and don't give up. 1st John 3.4 "For sin IS The breaking of Torah" I know Those within Christanity that are legitimate loving God, they will immediately stop and cut out most of the sin that's in Thier lives, that they know of... right off the bat. Exspecially those super easy ones, like no more eating unclean animals, that's one less sin in our life. That thru Testimony of Yeshua, will bring us closer to God. you can really celebrate for being the one who can say "Jesus brought me to understanding of Gods Torah" as it says in revelation "those who keep the commandments of God AND have Testimony of Yeshua(Jesus)" Isaiah 28:9-10 " to whom shall one teach knowledge? To whom shall one explain a message? To those weaned from (mother's) milk, removed from the breast? For it is Commandment by commandment, commandment by commandment, line by line, line by line, a bit here and a bit there"

Lol the Word of God is not a Dogma.... Messiah did not die for you to sin freely. You cant pick the traditions of your elders over the Commandments of God, if you do this your a pharisee.(and your rightousness must surpass thiers)..thier dogma would have been Thier oral Law(same as yours)..which Yeshua taught against bc they sinned by adding to Torah, like the hand washing ritual before they ate bread, recorded in Mathew, they came up to Messiah asked why his disciples don't follow THE TRADITIONS of the elders and wash thier hands b4 they eat bread, he got rough with them and said, why do you break the Commandments of God FOR the traditions of your elders!(do not add to or take away, is what He was speaking of) If your rebelling against God, and willingly breaking Torah(sinning) there's no way you could be apart of the new covenant where it's written on the Heart, your beliefs don't align. Theres Big difference in Rabbinical Judaisim, and Biblical/Gospel Judaisim. The 10 Words.. is good place to start, nothing about keeping anything "perfectly", it's about a honest effort, and showing your not in this just bc of your culture, and tradition, but you truly want to please the God of Israel. If you won't give up a pagan tree for Him, than I'd say you are one of those who "honour him with your mouth, but at heart are far from Him" Salvation from The Messiah, is a covenant made only for Judah and Israel, look it up in Jeremiah 31, if you don't graft into Israel, you can't partake in that covenant. Signs of the Newer covenant is having Torah written on the Heart, of Israel and Judah...If u believe that very Torah is abolished, if you believe you have replaced Gods people, that's not the Covenant from The God of Israel, you in to something else brother(another religion), like a Muslim. But it's not to late to leave that false doctrine behind for Gods Truth. God tests his people to see if we truly Love Him, makes since for Him to send your people down a road of all these false beliefs, just to see after youve grown to love your culture and tradition, if you would give that up for Him. In Gen. 22 we see...And God Tested Abraham....from the Hebrew word Nisaah-tested is rooted in the Word Neis-a banner, that flys above a army.....Hence the verse would actually be rendered "And God ELEVATED Abraham!(trial upon trial) So become ELEVATED brother.

Yes, its fine to worship on Sunday(it's no different than wed), but not keeping Sabbath deliberitly for any person thats supposed to be in Covenant, is for sure a sin.(Sabbath we are to rest, no work at all, prepare all your food on Friday, and no buying or selling) Along with Keeping non Biblical Holidays, eating unclean meats, any breaking of Torah.. for a beliver in Messiah is a Sin. And where it gets really dangerous is when our sin becomes Known to us, and we don't repent or turn away from that sin, then it becomes firmly planted, you've actually just went into a state of rebellion, and this is directly connected with the spirit of the Pharisee, who chose the traditions of the elders over the Commandments of God. Yeshua said "beware of the leaven of the pharisee's(church goers lol)" People are taught in the western world "it's impossible to keep Torah" what they got in reverse here is it's impossible for any man to keep Torah at the Heart level on his own, anybody can and many do, keep Torah physically all the time, it's not hard, this is why Yeshua went on to say "if you have lusted after a woman in your heart, you HAVE alredy committed adultry with her at heart!" BOOM the New covenant, He is writing Torah on the Heart! Teaching us to take it all to the Heart Level not only the physical, back then and to this day,..you had these guys thinking, "I've never committed adultery(physically)" and Messiah comes and says HOLD UP lol just bc you didn't do it in the flesh, your no better off than if u did bc your over here lusting after these ladies daily.. haha(And what is the punsiment for adultry in Torah?Death, this is why no man is worthy of eternal life, adultry brings death sentance and all men die right.) And this stuff is being revealed for these last days, it's a major sign of His coming soon! Everyone needs to start practising Torah best of your ability physically and at the heart!, "line by line, commandment by commandment, a little here a little there"-Isaiah... and give up anything added to it or taken away from it, when they said "you can eat unclean meats now", I can prove all these theories are false. Dang once u start seeing the full picture it's a unbelievably beautifully picture of Redemption from The one and ONLY True God.

When you think of a sacrifice you should relate that to, your version of having a cook out, but of course only with clean animals! Haha. But no Messiah said, Not even THE LEAST commandment will pass from Torah until heaven and earth pass away, in Judaisim we actually know what the least commandment of Torah is! And it's to shew a mother bird away from the nest before you take her eggs for consumption, as we see God even cares about the feelings of a mother hen. Halleluyah. The reason we(me and you lol) don't give sacrifices is because, it's a Law in Torah to never give sacrifices in the open field, and only in the Temple. When Yeshua returns as Messiah son of David(King of Kings, came first time as Messiah son of Yosef-suffering servant) then Sacrifices will be brought back, bc He will rule from Juersalem, the Temple will obviously return at that time, during the 1000 years of peace on earth. Because :Zech, 14:16 "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations/Gentiles which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of Sukkot. The Festival of Tabernacles(Sukkot) 33 The Lord said to Moses, 34 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month the Lord’s Festival of Tabernacles begins, and it lasts for seven days. 35 The first day is a sacred assembly; do no regular work. 36 For seven days present food offerings to the Lord, and on the eighth day hold a sacred assembly and present a food offering to the Lord. It is the closing special assembly; do no regular work. 37 (“‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies for bringing food offerings to the Lord—the burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings required for each day. 38 These offerings are in addition to those for the Lord’s Sabbaths and[e] in addition to your gifts and whatever you have vowed and all the freewill offerings you give to the Lord.) 39 “‘So beginning with the fifteenth day of the seventh month, after you have gathered the crops of the land, celebrate the festival to the Lord for seven days; the first day is a day of sabbath rest, and the eighth day also is a day of sabbath rest. 40 On the first day you are to take branches from luxuriant trees—from palms, willows and other leafy trees—and rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 Celebrate this as a festival to the Lord for seven days each year. This is to be a eternal Decree for the generations to come; celebrate it in the seventh month. Live in temporary shelters for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in such shelters so your descendants will know that I had the Israelites live in temporary shelters when I brought them out of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’” so when Messiah returns haha were actually going to be camping and cooking out with Him! we can still keep the feast of Sukkot to the best of our ability to this day without the temple... by simply you and your family going and camping out for a week in Honour of Him and His Feast. and Yes you have to understand in the Jewish mind now since Jesus became clothed in Chrisanity(people who persecuted the jews) He has became Clothed as a ESAU all these years to the Jewish people, but once they realize he has the Voice of Jacob(a Jew) they become in amazement and realize there's nothing more Jewish than Him.

When it comes to simply Beliving you can. Like the old saying, "the devil believes" haha.

Oh yes, Messiah is the only way to gain eternal life without doubt, the Newer covenant is all about salvation, redemption, He will remember our sins no more, put a new spirit inside us, and Write His Torah upon our Hearts, most ppl only think of Commandments when they hear "Torah", but it includes Jacob and ESAU, Abraham, issac, Noah, all these stories/Prophecys are to be be wrote upon our heart in the New covenant, along with all His commandments, Torah at it's root really means instruction. It's Gods instruction for all who claim His name.(that's to be wrote on the Heart in New covenant) And No I dont have a poor view of Christains, I just see what they all believe and how different it is than the Acual covenant, God spoke of in Jerimiah. And it really has set on my heart, all the verses coming together from start to finish, majority of Christains are in danger, of not being apart of the Covenant. And if you have taken up the Covenant you are NO LONGER Gentile, you are a Isarelite, a Jew, what happend at the Holocaust has now happend to YOUR people. You can call yourself by the title of Christain if you like(originally just meant Messianic), but you'd be the Christain sect of Judaisim.(If your in covenant) It seems to me tho if your a pratictioner of Christan-ITY, with Holy days that are not of God of Israel, believing you replaced Israel, instead of joining them, Beliving Torah is abolished, etc. Well then at that point your of a totally different religion than that of The Jewish Messiah,and the Scripture... He was and is a Jew, that don't just mean a bloodline. His Home is not in Christian-ity, His Home is in Judaisim. Just as Joseph too became a great ruler and was loved and adored by the Egyptians, and His Brothers did not even recognize Him! And then he revealed himself, and said I AM JOSEPH,(A JEW) the Egyptians(in this case Christains) was just as shocked to find out who he actually was as His own brothers were! They didn't recognize Him, bc he was dressed as a Egyption, like wise Yeshua all these years has been a ruler in a forien land, and bc of Him being Clothed in the Roman attire of Christanity, His brothers(the jews) can't even recognize Him! But now He is yelling out I AM JOSPEH! And his brothers are recognizing him more than ever in in the last 1800 years, this Torah prophecy goes on to say how he saved his whole family, and His Brothers said they was now ready to serve Him! Wow that's just a amazing word to me. You can see were Paul got his revelation from, when he said Israel was Blind IN part(speaking of Jacob as he blessed Joseph sons from the forien land! And his eyes were "dim") and as Paul spoke of the fullness of the Gentiles(Ephraim's blessing, Jacob/Israel said Epharim would be the fullness of the Gentiles) then all Israel will be saved, just as Joseph saved all of Israel from the famine. Lol sorry I get excited about that stuff haha. When your talking about all those verses showing Belief, your only showing a partial view, most all rough street people belive in Jesus, but they dont practise at all. That's what I was trying to get across simply believing isn't enough, you can be Buddhist and say yea I believe in Jesus, and that He died for our sins, but I'm gonna continue with Buddhism. Every man has to repent, turn from sin, and begin to practise the Bible to best Thier ability at that time. 1st John 3.4 "And sin IS The breaking of Torah" As far as covenants go, they are all eternal(until this heaven and earth pass away) there is 5 covenants in Total, and none over writes the other...they stack like a pyramid. Adamic covenant-for man to have dominion over the earth, be fruitful and multiply etc. Noahic covenant-never again end all life on earth With a flood, Rainbow. Abrahamic covenant- circumsion of Himself and all those whose apart of His house. Mosaic covenant- written instruction(Torah) for Anyone who claims Him as Thier God, and all the Blessings tied to it for obeying like no plagues will come upon you etc. And then the Final covenant- where He will Write His Torah upon our Hearts, give us a new spirit, remember our sins no more, this covenant is all about Salvation and redemption, eternal life, Thru His Messiah, Yeshua(Jesus). But as Messiah makes Him self known as a Jew, He's going to flee back Home, and He's going to take those Legit Christains with him, those I believe won't be pharisaic, and break the commandments of God for the traditions of the elders. As he said your rightouness MUST surpass thiers. And those who put Scripture over doctrine will give up Thier culture, traditions and false Holy days for Hashem and His Messiah.

The Mosiac covenant is actually the 4th covenant! And the Newer covenant the 5th, they all stack like a pyramid, and never go away. Adamic covenant-for man to have dominion over the earth and be fruitful and multiply etc...Noahic covenant and the rainbow, that God will never again destroy all life by flood...Abrahamic covenant-circumsion,..Mosaic covenant-the written instruction(Torah) for Anyone who claims Him as Thier God. All who keep.. get all the blessings tied to it, won't have plagues and all that come upon them as it did Egypt. And then the Final covenant, for Eternal life, Salvation, redemption, where God will write HIS Torah upon the Heart of Israel and Judah, put a new spirit within them, and remember Thier sins no more. No covenant overwrites the prior, they are all eternal and work together in perfect harmony. But most the covenants only apply to Israel and Judah, anyone else must be grafted in, and become one with Israel in order to partake.

If a Muslim wanted to Believe in Jesus as Messiah, and continue practising Islam, that can be done, what's to stop him? He's a individual human, and humans twist the rules all the time. In Islam they are told to Listen to all Jesus says, but they believe that there is a lost Gospel actually written by Yeshua, that no body has found yet....If a rogue Muslim decided to Believe the claim of Yeshua's(Jesus) Messiahship and continue to practise Islam, Ramadan etc etc. They can surely do that. A Buddhist could do the same thing, continue in Buddhism practises and seriously believe that God sent His chosen one to die for the sins of humanity. While never picking up a Bible. The answer to me is a obivious one, can they continue in these practises of other religions, while truly Beliving Messiah died for Thier sins and still partake in the covenant? The Answer is No, for a very simple reason, see in Jerimiaha 31....The New covenant was made for JUDAH and Israel ONLY. And what this seems to prove, is Beliving Jesus died for our sins alone, does not make them grafted into Israel and Judah. To partake in the covenant you MUST be grafted into Israel,bc thats the only group that allowed to partake in covenant...this is a conversion process. You cant be in union with Israel and practice islam, or Buddhism etc. You have to practise the Biblical practises, after acceptance of the Jewish Messiah. And I sadly wander this same question about Mainstream Christanity, just bc they Believe in the Jewish Messiah, does that make them apart of the covenant? Does that alone graft them into Israel and Judah? And the Answer seems to be no. They too practise a religion outside of Scripture, they have Thier own Holy day, they believe against Gods law, some even believe "they replaced Israel" all these things would seem to separate them from Gods Israel. And actually Not a apart of the new covenant even tho they believe they are, as one of the major signs of the New covenant is to have Torah wrote upon the Heart of Israel and Judah....believing it to be abolished, is def not the New covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31, which is made only for Judah and Israel. I think the majority of Christains still need to graft in. The only religion in the world who does not have to convert to anything for salvation is Judaisim...they simply just have to accept the sacrifice God provided.

If a Muslim asked a Christain, I want to accept Jesus as Messiah,Lord and savior. But I don't want to stop being Muslim, I still believe Muhammad was a great prophet, and the Koran is the final word from God, can I still take part in the New covenant? What would you reply?

See 2nd Peter, when HE warns deeply about Paul's letters, people twisting them and The Scriptures unto Thier own destruction, those who are "unlearned" that is.... unlearned in what?...The Scriptures...which Is Torah(and the prophets) there was no NT in the Church of Acts. I dont have to pound you down with verses from Genisis to Revelation confirming this. Any person truly seeking truth, and not believing they alredy found it....will most likely draw somewhat the same conclusion, no covenants "Go away" they stack upon one another like a pyramid, when the Mosaic covenant came in.. it did not overwrite the Abrahamic covenant(circumcision), or the Noahic covenant(the rainbow)...this is a false doctrine that's spread around Christanity for thousands of years ONLY in order to separate themselves from Judaisim. In Jeremiah 31, we see plain as day one of the major signs of the New covenant, is to have Torah(the law/instruction) written on our Hearts, A covenant btw only made for Judah and Israel, didn't mention Gentiles at all..they must become Grafted in.. to partake in the covenant... And of course "The Law" includes The Biblical Sabbath, Gods Feast days, and knowledge like "burn down Thier sacred trees" and don't go after the ways of the Gentiles,etc.. yea all these things are to be written upon the Heart thru Yeshua(Jesus), He is supposed to be The one who brought you to Gods Torah(instruction)...as you see more than once in revelation, "those who keep the commandments of God and have Testimony of Yeshua(Jesus)" Beliving Torah to be abolished, is the opposite of having it wrote on the Heart, and I ask how can they possibly be apart of the covenant where it's wrote on the Heart!? Even more intense than when Moses delivered it from Mt. Sinai....even tho that's what was meant to be all along...you see the term "circumcise the heart" directly in Torah. All the prophets, point the reader back to Torah, read the very 1st psalm....and that includes Jesus Exspecially!.. He Taught Torah NON STOP, and never once spoke against it, as He truly is a Living Torah. He always corrected what was added to or taken away from Torah by man, bringing us back to The original Judaisim. Aka The Truth. He specifically taught, those who do and teach Torah, will be called great in the Kingdom and those who don't will be called the least or small...And not even a decorative tiddle or a Yod, would be taken away, Until Heaven and Earth Pass away! I mean it gets no more clear than that. People often,..when they think about Torah usually only think about the direct commandments, not realizing the creation, to Abraham, issac,jacob,Noah,Esau,Joseph etc. All that is apart of Torah and meant to be written on the Heart. And there's a major hint in Torah that there's much more than meets the eye... if I asked you....Who was Moses? Most people would say "he brought The Law." But first and foremost Moses was a PROPHET! As we see in the very back of Torah "never again in Israel has a PROPHET* arose like unto Moshe" Realizing him as actually a Prophet should expand your view of Torah MAJORLY. It's a major revelation saved for these last days. But you'll see the big Key is To "meditate therein this book of Torah day and night"-Torah... and shema(hear and do) And then David is telling the people the same thing for all the generations to come as well "psalm 1(and all through out Bible) saying Blessed is the man who Mediatates in Torah day and night, his leaf will not wither*(eternal life) All the way to Yeshua Messiah, confirming the same message. Then you get to Paul's LETTERS, which Peter warned about in the NT. Those who are unstable or unlearned wrest and twist unto Thier own destruction. Need to understand Paul was literally writing letters #1. No capital S scripture, in Judaisim Paul's letters are exactly the same as Talmud, and other Rabbinical commentary. And heavily misunderstood, bc ppl can't understand the Jewish mind, you'll see in The Talmud, the same phrases Paul uses, like Torah is death unto some and life unto others.-Talmud. As Paul said He wldnt have known sin if it wasn't for Torah. As Torah brings the Knowledge of all sin. Yes even eating unclean beast is a sin....1st John 3.4 "for sin IS the breaking of Torah" drinking a few beers Is Not, having more than 1 wife Is not! Lol..it's Gods world we just living in it right haha... God thru Moses commanded us to Listen to all that the One who God sends us like Moses, do all He says. He(Jesus) Taught Torah, and told all to not even THINK, He came to do away with Torah. In acts 15...where ppl think.....that they decided that Gentiles don't have to keep Torah....you need to take a very hard look at acts 15.21....it wasn't until that verse was stated, that the assembly of Jewish elders agreed. That verse is showing, that they fully expected the Gentiles to Learn the rest of Torah as they went into the Synagogue on Sabbath at Thier own pace. And gave them a small list(which didn't even include murder, or loving God etc.) To better fellowship with Jews. See proverbs 6.23 the commandment is a LAMP and the Torah is a Light! Then refer back to the parable of the 5 foolish virgins who had no oil in Thier lamp. Does salvation come from Torah? No. Counted Rightoues by Faith, as Noah and Abraham, and the others were, but willingly sinning is a whole other story, once a man's sin becomes Known to Him(for ex. If you for sure know, that sacred/Christmas trees are pagan in Thier roots, and have nothing to do with the Bible, and you still choose to go on with that tradition, uve just went from sinning in ignorance, to rebellion!, and that sin then becomes firmly planted.....And we're are not allowed to Willingly break Torah/Sin.... Every commandment brings you closer to God brother.

God created man to tend and keep/guard HIS Garden, anyone can see that in Genesis, any man not tending His garden, not doing what mankind was created for, is rebelling from the very beginning! Good in the eyes of man...thats a joke, Word says, He thinks NOTHING like mankind. And Christains tend to vear off into Zoroastrianism, thinking there is a evil god who creates evil in this world, And a good God who does all good.... Where Hashem corrects that very mindset. Saying, "I form the Light and the darkness, I make Shalom, and Create EVIL, I The LORD Do All these things" Most translations was scared to write Evil in that verse, bc of Thier doctrine...it's very plain in Hebrew tho. Hashem uses Evil for good in the end, it's a tool. -That we as His people must overcome. He personally Has NO Enemeys, that's impossible. Unless you believe in multiple gods. In Genesis 22. We see "And God Tested* Abraham" The Word "Nissah-Tested" in Hebrew is derived from Neis-a banner" that flys above a army....Hence the verse would be rendered "And God ELEVATED* Abraham" trial upon trial. Men can be counted Rightoues, but none is good. God don't even wanna see human poop, Hes that clean! He said in Torah to bury it outside the camp, bc He wld be dwelling within the camp, showing you how clean and pure He is.....you can truly say, if your house or body is unclean His Spirit will not want to rest upon that person, if your filled full of bacon, lol He don't wanna rest His spirit on that person Defiled by a nasty animal. If there's dog poop all over your floors, He don't wanna be in that House! This is a side of God people in today's time people don't even consider.

And maybe we should clear up,.. no man will be in true Hell(Gehenna) until AFTER the 1000 years of peace on earth. Before then all souls, Rightoues and unrightoues, all goto the "Abode of the dead" or "netherworld" the word here is Sheol, this is what Yeshua(Jesus) spoke of in Luke, The rich man lifted his eyes up in Sheol, and afar off seen Abraham and Lazor. They was in the same facility, but separated by a great gulf, and neither side could cross over to each other. Why was the rich man in Torment then? most would ask. This ties back into Ecclisasties, "the wicked have madness in Thier heart in life, and even after they goto the dead" As everyone has heard the phrase "no rest for the wicked" and rest in peace....both are true. The Rightoues will have peace in death, and won't even taste it, it won't have any sting, a state of repose, and they will be resurrected into LIFE Eternal. The wicked will have madness in Thier heart in death even, in the pit they will become "burried". They to will literally be brought back to life(resurrected) into judgement, after the 1000 years of peace(millienal Sabbath), and then they will Die Again! The 2nd death! And they will, along with all the rest of Israel's enemy's, (haSatan,death it's self, all those who are of the offspring of the serpent, and even Sheol it's self,) will all be thrown into Gehenna. Understanding Scripture from the Holy Tounge(Hebrew) is essential for truth in doctrine. All "translations" bow down to the Hebrew. People will ask about, Ecclisasties, the verse that says, "when you die the spirit returns to the One who gave it" and that's also 100% true.. But that's why you most know the difference from the spirit and the Soul. Man IS A LIVING SOUL, and has a body, not vice versa. What made that soul Living was the SPIRIT of life which came from God. Also often translated as, "Breath, and wind" but Scripture confirms it self, later in Gen. You'll see b4 the flood, God said, He was doing away with everything "in which was the SPIRIT of Life" understand from plants, animals, and anything that is Alive, has His spirit of life within it, it's what makes things grow,speak, fly etc. So you can know when even a tree to a bird dies, the life that was witnin, that which made it truly be alivem returns to God, that's not saying The birds personality went to heaven, just the life that was within, returned to the one who gave it, you can literally imagine as Hashem exhales life comes into the world and as He inhales, life returns to Him. This is backed up from Beginning to Revelation, when the 2 witnesses who lied dead for 3 days, Until The Spirit of Life that comes from God, re entered them. "Why men goto hell? Hell in actual biblical terms is called Gehenna. "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." the reason men goto Hell is very simply bc they(above) just like death,, is a Enemy to Israel. ("Her offspring) God almighty will destroy all of our Enemy's, even tho they are no threat to Him personally, He fights for His children. It's all about the Covenant brother. As we can see many man are truly born from the offspring of the serpent, a Enemy to Gods people. So there is no question or wander why most will goto Gehenna, they are a Enemy to Israel. His only People. He's not a God to Gentiles, they must be grafted into Israel. No Gentile will be saved.

"Why men goto hell? Hell in actual biblical terms is called Gehenna. "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." the reason men goto Hell is very simply bc they(above) just like death,, is a Enemy to Israel. ("Her offspring) God almighty will destroy all of our Enemy's, even tho they are no threat to Him personally, He fights for His children. It's all about the Covenant brother.

Amazing revelations have came about in Scripture these days... It's got so much depth, it's like, where to begin? JACOB AND ESAU. Two nations in the same womb, fighting. Prophesied; the older will serve the younger. The younger is a prophetic picture of OUR Jewish Messiah! When people ask you, who was Moses? Most in the West will say, He was the bringer/giver of The Law(Torah)....But people have forgot, first and foremost, Moshe was a Prophet! Deut;34.10 " And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face" wow how overlooked is this Remez(hint/clue)! we are to hold onto EVERY WORD that emanates from the Mouth Of God, Halleluyah. it's very clear why Moshe and David, and most all the prophets all looked back to Torah,and said to "Meditate therein day and night"... you will begin to excel! so we remember the big scene of Jacob coming in dressed as ESAU, and received the blessing from his father, His father said the very prophetic words "you have the hands of ESAU, but the voice is of Jacob!) It's thought bc of the differences in Thier responses in front of issac he knew that was not how ESAU spoke, as in,,...He asked, how did you get the game so fast? And Jacob said, The Lord to your God put it in front of me, where as notice when ESAU came in, he said the game was gotten in his own glory, He gave No Credit to God. Now knowing Moses was in fact a PROPHET, we have to look at these verses at a much deeper level! Jacob was dressed as ESAU, But had the Voice of Jacob! ESAU is seen as a bad seed, something the Jewish people have nothing in common with, and ESAU is not a partaker in Gods Covenant, that birthrite went to Jacob. but the key is JACOB Himself was clothed as ESAU! But on the inside(his voice) he was always Jacob! A JEW, a Israelite! Of the covenant. this is a prophetic picture/shadow/copy of Yeshua(Jesus) being Clothed as a ESAU, in Greek and Roman attire, and His Brothers does not recognize Him, until they hear His Voice, and realize This is the Voice of Jacob! And he's only been disguised to Jews as a Christain, but in reality he's always been a Jew! Halleluyah. and this pattern continues, as we will hopefully see in this thread.

Parallel verse to psalms when David said...If I make my bed in Sheol He will be with me.

Yea same here, I agree 100%. That would really be messed up haha

The understanding I gained was in a search for truth about death, using Only scriptures without any previous indoctrination...The big part that's throwing people off is they believe dying is simply leaving the Body, basically just jumping from one life to the next...And that's not real death according to the Bible...The Bible is clear from the beginning on what man is...People say "we have a soul" the Bible said Man IS a Soul. And that soul is made living by the Spirit of Life that Belongs to God. And man has to die, and that's not talking about flesh. And when something dies that spirit of life returns to the one who gave it-Ecclisasties Then the souls of the dead get stored (we could say) where they belong, wether thats abrahams bosom or the pit. (Both in Sheol) And they are truly dead, but the Rightoues won't even taste death, it won't have any sting, Isaiah says they get rest, peace, state of repose...wich aligns with Lazor "Being comforted" in Abrahams Bosom, as you see in Luke. And rich man being in torment aligns with what Solomon said in Ecclisasties about the wicked have madness in Thier heart during life and after they goto the dead. This is actually one of the biggest points of the Good News(Gospel) is because thru Messiah we won't be forever held captive in Sheol, we know he's returning, and that When He does all of Israel(His ppl)will be resurrected- Ezekiel And like I was saying Messiah raising from the dead wasn't the big deal, as he raised many other from the dead, but they died again...The amazing thing was he was Raised with a ETERNAL BODY! Proving we can truly live Forever. So we know it WILL truly happen to us on His return. The only book I read on this was the Bible. And as it says in James God never changes not even the shadow of a change, as he had a plan from the beginning for His ppl to live eternally,,,"lest they eat from the tree of life and Live forever" Properly understanding death will help people properly understand the great Gift of Eternal life. Halleluyah. I think it's John 3,13 says no man hath ascended into the heavens...acts said David has not ascended... And we never really do, when HE returns we will be alive on This earth for 1000 years, truly alive again, just like now but wayyy better. And then after the 1000 years Then we enter the Kingdom with floors of see thru gold, and no death etc., And that's on The New Earth. Until then we will be greatly prvledged to enter into the Shalom(peace) of Abrahams Bosom. What u mentioned about born from above goes back to gan eden...And when Eve was called "The mother of all living" But it's appointed for all men to die once, and dying is going to Sheol. Not leaving the flesh and jumping from one life into another. No dead people go into "Heaven" that's why no verses not even one says that.

This quote is actually just not true, it's just a complete misunderstanding of what death actually is. Only the Rightoues will get, rest comfort and repose,..There is no rest for the wicked, There is madness in their hearts during life and in death...Samuel was awoke from sheol, he said why did you disturb me from my rest, all the way into revelation where God tells the martyred souls to "rest a little longer.,,like I mentioned in previous reply, absent from body in presence of the Lord is a Parallel verse to psalms if I make my bed in Sheol he will be with me..Ecclisasties there is no wisdom or knowledge in Sheol where you are going.....Psalms when the Spirit leaves man, right then his Thoughts perish.....what your calling hades is Sheol...If u look at Luke you'll see very plainly....Its made up of at least two compartments, Abrahams Bosom(where lazor went) and the pit where ppl get "burried"(where rich man went) both was in Sheol separated by a great gulf. Abrahams Bosom is not separate from Hades(incorrect translation, really only Sheol fits or they should just write "Abode of the dead") The Rightoues get Gathered into Abrahams Bosom, the wicked get burried. Both in Sheol. And that's why the ressurection of The dead is so special...Daniel those who sleep will be rise some to eternal life some to eternal torment....after death is the judgement,,,after death don't happen until the ressurection....today's time ppl think of simply leaving the Body as Death, but it's not. Death is the Spirit of life leaving the soul. You'll see after the two witnesses are raised after 3 days, it says the Spirit of life from to god entered backninto them, then they ascended into heaven..,that 3 days they was in Sheol, just as Messiah was for 3 days(not hell) And all of us will also be in Sheol in complete peace if saved, Until The ressurection of the dead.. Everything is paraphrased but you can see every verse holds true. Gotta leave behind modern thinking.

Yea that's what the scriptures actually say, when in Epeshians, it says Messiah broke "captivity captive" that means, that bc of Him we now will get to live eternally, so he broke the captivity of Sheol, by The ressurection of The dead, that will happen upon His return. No body has ascended into heaven or out of Sheol, Except Him. And no one will until The ressurection, Abel is still down there, Abarahm, our saved realitives are resting in peace in Abrahams Bosom. Comforted until The great Day of The Lord. Those of the 1st ressurection. (We will go thru same exact process He did, and we will get the eternal Body, and His eternal Body was OUR PROOF that we can live forever!) When you read, absence from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord... That's a parallel verse to when David said "If I make my bed in Sheol, He will be with me"

If anyone has some good verses they would like to add concerning this subject feel free. This was something I really wanted to understand during my walk. Start at the beginning, And God blew the breath of Life through the nostrils and man became a LIVING soul.. So right there we can man is a soul..(not has a soul)made alive by The spirit of Life which Belongs to God, the word comonly translated as breath there, can mean breath, wind, or spirit, through The Bible we can see it's most accurate in this instance as Spirit of life. I gained my biggest understanding of death through Ecclisasties, once I got the true understanding it hit me hard for close to 3 days! I was pretty down about it. Then all at once overwhelmed with Joy bc of the great Gift the Messiah brought us of Eternal life! "and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." so this is pretty amazing on the full scope, the actual life force that's in all things, once it dies Gods spirit of Life returns to Him, you can imagine as He inhales things die and as he exhaled things come to life! so what happens when a bird dies, or a tree, where does the life that was once in it go? It returns to the one who gave it. "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life." So we know where the actual life in us that makes us and birds move and grow goes after death...what happens to us tho after Gods spirit of Life leaves us? This is where Sheol comes into play, meaning The Abode of the dead, or The grave. We know from Luke there is at least 2 compartments in Sheol, Abrahams Bosom (Gods ppl), and The pit, where the wicked souls get "burried" In this place we wait for the ressurection, upon the Messiahs return as King. If were GODS people we won't even feel death, 1000 years may pass you by in a complete rest and peace, and it won't feel like a split second. But the wicked have madness in Thier hearts during life and in death. "This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." this is why you see the rich man feeling tormented in Sheol in Luke, He's not in the actual lake of fire yet tho. no rest for the wicked.. But when we die we all will be actually dead, Until we receive Gods great Gift of the Spirit of life, upon His return. "His Spirit goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going." people need to understand death, so they can properly understand how great a gift God has given us, by the Gospel(Good news) hence why it's the Good news! Eternal life. Amen Halleluyah.

Amen to that brother, Truth comes first, which just means scripture comes first haha. God bless.

I know everyone is of the belief that When they die they then goto Heaven. but there is no such verse in the Bible anywhere I can find. From what I've seen the promise is ...eventually,..Eternal Life on Earth, and then the New earth, But nothing says while a person is dead they ascend into the Heavens. There is no dead people in Heaven. But people of God while dead get true peace and rest, a state of repose. Until the ressurection of the dead. Then the reward of Eternal life.

All the pure negativity and hate a lot of times just knocks the wind out of a person's sails, notice that phrase I just said it's called a idiom. Theres also tons of Hebrew idioms in the New Testament, I was wanting to share the meaning of many of these idioms that can't be understood once translated to another language, and many of the differences from Yeshua's words from Hebrew witness manuscripts, compared to the Greek manuscripts and English translations. Sometimes 1 brushstroke in hebrew creates a single different word, and its amazing what one word can do alot of times, to the point I wanted to share it with all you folks. "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light." there's a reason why verses like the one above people don't Cant understand what in the world that means. Its because its a jewish idiom, shedding light on all these instances and differences in words, could help people who want to learn, into some much more rich understanding of the teachings of Messiah. I think 2 people was normal and wanted to hear what else was I had to say, everyone else was just drawing Thier guns...but I realise most of the Christains don't follow what the Messiah taught anyway. Its a religion made up by "church fathers" so I might as well be talking to Muslims who thinks I'm a Jew. Or Jews who think I'm Christain... Hate without cause and ears that are automatically closed. Chip on the shoulder.(another idiom, that won't translate to other languages.) I'm not mad at you all for being the way you are, I mean you've been pretty much raised in a doctrine that tells it's people "they are the very elect" so its impossible for a protestant to be deceived...... ... ... might as well everyone just go on in there "Trumps gonna win still" mindsets. (Another difference in the Jewish mindset, we believe Gods always in control, and Satan is NOT at war with God, just man., Christains say Trump is Gods choice, I say he definitely was,and if he still wins then is.. because everything that happens is Gods choice, it's never like the devil get 2 points over on God..haha NEVER.) I'm done with this thread. I was wanting for all of us to study together, not debate and argue, and have strange attitudes toward one another.