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Well I attempted to start a discussion about Elon and the others like him in the following forum… https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/310053-did-the-broligarchy-grab-the-pulpit-on-the-way-to-washington/ It was a melding of some of the pertinent spiritual and scriptural principals with the current kings of the earth…such as Elon and company…it did not go far. I think that trying to present a neutral and spiritual perspective is either something evangelical nationalists do not want to think about…or…they do not understand it. I am working on a more detailed and up-to-date story bringing to light the works of the dragon and its beast in today’s world…illuminated by the seven lamps of fire surrounding the throne of God. Sounds crazy I suppose…but it’s the perspective that counts here...and seemingly no one around here wants to deconstruct that scene from Revelation 4…that does not mean I have not. Yeh I think you could say that he has a god complex from a purely spiritual perspective…I contend that he is a system operator of great authority…both financial and dark spiritual…I am not sure he would even understand the latter. Either Spirit filled or dead…Truth. Tatwo...:)

It seems to me that there is good reason for that sister…with the “pre-trib rapture theology” being as prevalent and popular as it is in the institutional religions…what would preparation is actually needed? Additionally…what would there be to actually prepare for? I understand that those who follow this thinking are “watching and waiting” for the Lords "secret" return as they believe He has told them. They go to church, support the church, do nice things for people in need, act in a manner they believe pleases God...which…if your into that…I say have at it…time will reveal the Truth of any and all error really. This model of belief not only reduces the perceived need for any temporal preparation for the days and times we're in…and that are forth coming. It also cloaks the very real Truth about the Fathers expectation of our spiritual growth to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ…according to His calling. Paul said in Ephesians 2:10 “For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” These pre-trib rapture folks seemed to have lost sight of the fact that those who are His…are “His workmanship” and that “He created” them to live and act in a manner that fulfills the “good works” the “He prepared” for them "beforehand" by “His own desire” to “walk in? Those who know this…"are being lovingly and meticulously prepared" according to our Fathers desire…the Kingdom of God was always a “Father & Son” reality. In my experience...the church goers do not seem to know about their unique and divine call from God kwik? They go to church…get saved…live as they see best for them…and either die and go to heaven or live and be raptured to heaven. Either way your destination is go to the created realm called heaven…none of which forms mans rebellious soul into Christ’s likeness. Tatwo...:)

Great perspective kwikphilly…and for the most part I agree with you. I believe that the Body of Christ…which includes it’s glorious head Yahshua…and our brothers and sisters will lead the way on the earth...all the way through to the end of the age. This is to bring forth the completion or fulfillment of the Father of creations desire and purpose for putting the created heavens and earth in place to begin with…which is to bring forth “a man in the image and likeness of Christ”…in which He will dwell for eternity...He will do that...He is doing that. So in terms of the process of fulfilling the “eschaton”…the Body of Christ that is alive in the flesh in these days…will be on the earth doing exactly as the Lord Yahshua has loved, raised, taught, disciplined, trained us/them to do. Which is to grow and mature in our calling…and then to carry the full grace and glory of God on the earth in an open display of the Fathers love for His creation. It’s not a popular belief…however it fully embodies the Truth of who “Christ” actually is…which as I have encountered in my sojourn here…is the most misunderstood “being” there ever has been. Good idea kwik…let me see what I can do Tatwo...:)

I would agree for the most part…I do not bother to present anything that has not been verified via several sources…and typically over time and I try to be careful how I present people. Some of those sources are out of the view of the main stream media and its propaganda partner and often times controlled opposition...the “alternative main stream media.” As you are aware…the controlled media has been and increasingly is…running cover for the…now I am not political…not at all…I have no affiliation to any party…I am a loyal citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth…so I am not choosing one political side or another here kwik. But…90% of the media outlets here in the US are owned by 5 or 6 corporations who are the mouth piece for what I will call a “parallel government.” I try not to use terms like "deep state or shadow government" if at all possible yet they are applicable but...they tend to draw attention to being red or blue politically...and that bothers people. I use the term "parallel government" because it can cover both the spiritual aspects of governments as well as the temporal aspects. There are a number of “tech industry and related journalists” who have been writing and reporting for years…some that I have read and followed closely since 2006’ish. I am confident that I understand most of what I know…but the tech industry can be tricky and unbeknownst to many…there is a very interesting and powerful “dark spiritual element” that flows right along with it. Hence my interest… Tatwo...:)

Yes we are all uniquely called by the desire of our Father…it is awesome…though I have found that most have no idea what their call is? I do enjoy “Worthy” most of the time…it is what you make of it…I really do enjoy testimonies and can get a “bigger” picture of what is happening in the church. I was a tech director at a big tech company as I climbed through the ranks…I loved it. As a result I really got into the whole “enterprise computing environment” which allowed me to experience and learn the tech world to a much deeper level. Today I have a functional working knowledge of the tech industry…though things change rapidly. I have never met Elon…nor had any direct connection with any of his actual business’s…my connection to him is purely research based. He popped up on my tech radar several years ago when he was for a time partnered with a man named Peter Thiel in what became “PayPal” in the late 1990’s or early 2000’s. I was already researching along the lines of “digital payment” possibilities…so these guys were among the leaders in the industry that I watched. Having been called by the Lord Yahshua in the mid 1980’s it really did not take long for me to begin to function in a “prophetic grace” that the Lord had given me. Add to that my desire for big tech and I began to dive into a deep study of the eschaton…or the end of the age as presented in the Revelation of Yahshua Christ…where I think technology plays a significant role. Tatwo...:)

How do you determine which half of what you see…to believe?...no I am only kidding kwik <smile> I am in a similar place as you...with those you have mentioned…so I do not count them as truthful but rather agenda driven…and their agendas are typically quite obvious…so they are easy to detect. So would you like to proceed with the discussion that you keep suggesting that we return to…”Elon Musk – A Gift From God or Playing God?” and the subsequent OP…or no? Tatwo…:)

I can understand your point here in regards to “your own” opinions and experiences…those are yours and they are important because it is those that inform any judgments you may have. It would not be correct...however...to assume that “I-Tatwo” am to be included in your pronouncement of “we” in your statement “all we hear is what the media makes available.” I am not desirous to be overly picky…kwik…it’s just that your statement does not apply to me…and I am letting you know about it…I am not in any way offended either...so...no worries. A scriptural answer to your question…“how could we know what's between the man & God…” would be the elementary understanding and use of the “fruit and trees” teaching from the Lord Himself in Matthew 7:16-20…emphasis mine… “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. "So then, you will know them by their fruits.” But you knew that…you just do not believe that you have been able to adequately apply the Lord’s instruction to someone you have only heard about in a severely biased heavily propagandized and complicit media…I get that…it’s wise. The same is not true for me…I have followed Mr. Musk for many years…not only that I have also followed several of the men and women he has business and personal relationships with. So I understand a great deal more about who Elon is…what he does…who he does it with and why…that those who only know about him what they might pick up in various media streams. Tatwo...:)

Worried? In terms of anxious, distressed or troubled…not so much…I am however “spiritually and emotionally” stirred…good question. Perhaps I might explain myself here “kwik” as I work through your other “potentially” rhetorical questions? What I see increasingly emerging in the world where you and I both live…today…is the pure result of “sin” releasing the planned judgment of God via military style and structured evil forces. This increasing assault that manipulates the minds of men [m/f] is causing “great distress” in the minds and lives of humanity…locally and globally. I see this especially in the "kings of the earth" today. So that is what is largely “stirring” my spirit and emotions…I am out in it continuously. I can see the spiritual changes that are occurring both openly and under the cloak of darkness…if you will. Humanity has become seriously troubled and that will only increase. I sense that for a measure of time yet…I will be here in the midst of it…so spiritual preparation along with some physical preparation is in order as I see it…and I have been doing just that for many years now. Ok... Tatwo...:)

Greetings @kwikphilly... I have read your latest and an earlier post a number of times...I am not sure what sort or type of dialogue you are really asking for? Consider your questions above..."So where does Elon Musk fit it?Is he a proud or a humble man?" Ok...so these may be thought of as legitimate questions that have legitimate answers...but then you follow those questions with this statement..."Well, thank God we needn't worry about such things- our Hope Remains in Christ...." Your questions are legit...then your statement which is true to you...is made...so...it is not clear to me what it is that you would like to discuss...in the event that this is just an issue for me...forgive me will you? Tatwo...:)

Absolutely @AnOrangeCat...its a good suggestion...one I have been following for years. It is not difficult to discern the character of a man or women's soul...when you consider who it is they cavort with. Elon is no exception...the tribe he runs with are among the wealthiest technocratic billionaires in the world...I call them the "broligarchs." Transhumanism, technocracy as government, man can be immortal, man is god...all of this and more...so there are definitely some very powerful evil spirits ruling this group. If you cannot see that...as some of you have mentioned...it's merely a matter of looking into it if that is something you value...if not ok. About Elon and the "broligarchs"..."IF" they are successful at what they are attempting to do right now...today...it could be possible that the government of the United States of America will become the the United States Corporation...and Americans citizens will become its work force. They will claim that AGI or some superior form of AI will be in charge of running the government...I am not sure but perhaps that is happening in some measure already. The massive push for all things digital and AI is very strong right now...and there is an abundance of investors and money available. The CEO of the United States Corporation would be Elon and President Trump the chairman of the board of directors. Something like that is what I see...for more information go read "Project 2025" its a PDF that is widely available...I am nearly through it. Many of the players in the sitting cabinet today are very much involved in "Project 2025." I am not really too concerned about any of this...whether they succeed or not...the future is going to be a mess for humanity in either case. Tatwo...:)

“that they may be one, just as We are one, I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity” This is not only about some time in the future concerning man’s idea of heaven…no…this all began right there with our Lord Yahshua’s prayer. And there can be no doubt that His prayers are answered…He sez… The believers in the “Body of Christ” are all of the “One Spirit of God”…Just as the Father and Son are of that same “One Spirit of God”…the “One Spirit of God” that is in Yahshua…is also in His Body…that is what it says. It is by the indwelling of the “One Spirit of God” that we are perfected in unity…of Spirit. Moving as “One New Man” upon the earth, globally…not a physical man though the Holy Spirit is in man…the unifying element is the eternal Holy Spirit of God…this makes Him…Christ…a spiritual man who is alive both in heaven and on earth at the same time…as the Body of Christ. “so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.” The Head – Yahshua…and the Body - His people…all share the same eternal Holy Spirit of God…and Gods glory…for the purpose of allowing the “world” to know…that God the Father Himself came to them in the Spirit of His Son Yahshua…as the expression of His Fathers love for His Son…”Christ”…Head and Body. As the “world” sees the Son of God “Christ – Head and Body”…they will be presented with the Truth…that creations God and Father has indeed come into creation itself in the man Christ. So…if you flowed me here…I am presenting to you that The Lord Yahshua Christ “is present here on the earth today”…as the Holy Spirit of the eternal God and Father who dwells in His Body. There is only “One Holy Spirit”…He is the invisible Spirit manifesting in His temple…which is His people…His Body. I completely understand how this just throws down modern evangelical theology and eschatology…because it does. This Spirit Son of God called Christ is One with the eternal Spirit of the living God and as such…is literally unthreatened by anything in creation. Creation is a “lesser” realm of existence…when compared to the eternal Spirit realm. When the eternal invades creation it does so unhindered by anything in the lesser creation. Just look at the life of the pattern Son Himself…Yahshua…once His Father proclaims Him His Son in whom He is well pleased. He walked above the water, calmed the storm, fed the thousands, raised the dead, healed the sick…all because of the power of eternal Spirit life that indwelt Him…the Spirit of God is unthreatened and unhindered in the realm of creation. There is so much more to this…but I will stop here. Tatwo…:)

“that they also may be in Us”… So “they”…meaning the disciples and all who believe in Him…who have all become “One”…are also in the “One” eternal reality known as the “Spirit of God”…how’s that? It’s the work of the Spirit of God in humans…and He continues… “so that the world may believe that You sent Me.” So the Spirit of the living eternal God and Father of creation…is “in” the Spirit of man Lord Yahshua Christ…and the Lord’s Spirit is in the Spirit of God…and they have become “One and the self same Spirit”…which is also the “One Spirit” that incorporates all whom are to be added to “Christ”…comprising Head [Yahshua] and Body [All those who believe] of Christ. What are the chances that His prayers were not answered? So the picture looks like this…you have the spirits of men…the Spirit of the Lord Yahshua…and the Spirit of the Living God…all existing as “One eternal essence” known as the Holy Spirit of God. The entity that presents this “One Holy Spirit” to creation…is the “Son of God” known as the many membered “Christ”…for the purpose of revealing to creation the Lordship of the only begotten Son of God Himself…Yahshua Christ. The One Holy Spirit of the One and only God…indwelling the spirits of those humans He has called and filled with His Spirit…are called Christ – Head and Body…this is the mechanism by which the Fatherly characteristics and love of the eternal God…are made available to humanity on the earth…today. The Lord explains this Himself next… "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them”… This is true in the moment He says it…and speaks prophetically to the future of His Body and unto His unveiling of the eternal reality at the end of the age. God the Father…gave His glory…to His Son…we know that because Yahshua says so right here…then Yahshua says that the glory of God which is now His…He gives it to the Body of Christ. This is so powerful…again speaking of the eternal Spirit of God Himself and His attendant glory…in His people right here right now…today. So “Christ” the Spirit born “Son of God”…”Head and Body” as “One New Man”…that is defined by the “One Spirit of God”…also carries the glory of God as well…this is all transpiring in the invisible eternal realm of the Kingdom of Heaven…here on the created earth…today. The Lord Yahshua Christ is here among His people on the earth right now…as the Holy Spirit of God full of glory and grace. Consider how Yahshua furthers His thought here…

This inspired me this morning...I'll challenge you a bit if you're up for it Blade...or anyone who will take the time to read this explanation about who God is and what His thoughts of Elon are? Yahshua Christ is already here Blade...right? First in the flesh naturally and now in the Spirit spiritually...I know that people don't get this...most of them. Here is how Paul put it…emphasis mine…“Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.” 2nd Corinthians 5:16-17 NASB God the Father of Christ and creation…is a Spirit...One Spirit, we’re told that repeatedly in scripture. The Spirit of God is One Spirit…this Truth comes only via revelation of Himself directly to the spirits of man…not all get this…certainly not all that claim Christ either. The Lord Yahshua Himself makes this very clear in His prayer to His Father for the disciples and those who would come along and believe their message about Him…and by extension us…He is recorded as having prayed in John 17:21-23…emphasis mine… “that they may all be one”… It is written plainly and all should see it…but it requires the Holy Spirit to reveal His spiritual Truth. This is His Truth egardless of ethnicity, gender, or geographic location. The Lord is praying…that both the disciples and those who believe their message all become “one”…by “becoming one”…how would that happen? He tells us how… “even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You”… He then explains what He means…by saying that “the Father is in Him and that He is in the Father.” What does He actually mean…what could make this possible? He…the Lord Yahshua Christ is still in His fleshly abode when He says this…right? There is only one way His statement…“the Father is in Him and that He is in the Father” can be true…and that would be in the same manner that His disciples and those who believe them concerning Him…become “one”…right? God is a Spirit…so if He is “in” the Lord…that is His flesh…it is by His Spirit…God is a Spirit and His Spirit is in the Lord and the Lord is in Him…how’s that? They become “One”…by the Spirit…because there is only “One Spirit of God.” He does not stop there…read on…

Yes perhaps...and yet I was able to read Neighbors intention just the same...he's right. Tatwo...:)

The "movie" comment...agreed...which is why so many years ago I stopped watching movies. I tend to think that what you said about AI here is true...this is after being a high tech director for a fortune 100 corporation for 10 years...but there's more. The question to be asked is...whose the one which are doing the "putting in" leading to what actually comes out? I would also agree that Satan cannot "create" from nothing as the Holy Spirit has. However...the dragon can take what has been created and manipulate it to appear as something else via deception...thus making it seem to the overwhelming multitude...that he is God...the creator...he will do it so well...that nearly all will follow? The dragon is a master at "creating illusion and delusion" which is its forte...it made Eve think she could be like God...remember? It created a false reality so cleverly and thoroughly...that Eve believed the lie...over having actually known and encountered God herself...what an illusion heh...magic? Now to AI...how is it connected or utilized by the invisible realm of darkness? Is AI a "creation" of darkness brought together from components in creation which were created by God Himself? I can see that AI has a "tangible - physical" expression if you will...its presented as "intelligence that is artificial." "Artificial" in that it was "created - brought forth" by the satanically darkened minds of humans...verses...authentic "divine intelligence" brought forth from the mind of God Himself...by humans? Interesting to say the least. The "artificial" in "AI" is an evil demonic intelligence bringing forth a "worldly...earthy...sensual...devilish" seduction...wisdom from below as the scriptures state it...so we know where all of this is going. As I have continued to look into the characters and histories of those that I refer to as the "broligarchs"...these multi-billionaire technocratic dreamers who are attempting to take over the U.S. Government today...and the rest of the world tomorrow. I can see that there is a "spirituality" a dark spirituality arising among them. They are beginning to speak of it themselves now...I think that is telling. Tatwo...:)

There are…it has been happening since the Garden of Eden really. The “world” and it’s “kingdoms of men and beasts” has been built up by the dragon…one earthly kingdom at a time warrior. Now this “dark 4th kingdom” is no longer merely a geographically based kingdom…Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome…for example…no. The dragon has taken his “beast” global and it rules the entirety of his “kosmos” known scripturally as “all the kingdoms of the world.” This happens via evil invisible spirits…which are organized in a military fashion and will soon receive some very powerful and focused support from the “troops” coming out of the abyss…which will be under the rule of “general destroyer.” That’s exactly what Paul meant when he wrote this in Ephesians 6 “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might." This is in reference to the Holy Spirit Himself…who is the power and authority of the throne of God in creation today…of course He is eternal and as such...there is no power greater than He in creation or eternity. Paul goes on to write…“Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.” The “full armor of God”…is the Spirit graced tactical characteristics…that are enabling our increasing assault upon the darkness. And once again...references the power and authority of the Holy Spirit…and he lists them for us…“Truth, Righteousness, Peace, Faith, Salvation, and Word.” Most Christians in my experience…have a “Sunday school” level of understanding of the “full armor of God.” These are not merely a passive weaponry used for defending…it can do that…but that’s not all. These weapons are not carnal…but spiritual as I stated earlier…they can and do destroy the enemy’s schemes and tears down its strongholds in the high places…personally and in ones sphere or realm of influence…when used as one is trained to use them. That which is eternal in nature can be threatened by nothing @warrior12! There is much to be said about this...for another time perhaps? So…to wrap this up for now…Paul wrote the following…(12) "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, [carnal humanity] but against the rulers, [dark spirit kings] against the powers, [dark spirit generals who work for the dark spirit kings] against the world forces [the dark spirit general's forces manipulating humans in the temporal world] of this darkness, [spiritual deception void of light] against the spiritual forces [fallen angelic demons] of wickedness [humanly unthinkable dirty deeds] in the heavenly places." [the invisible realm of evil spirits...heaven] So yeh…I would agree that “there is some Alien forces or some other entity that is controlling populations and people” as you state warrior12. It's the kings and subsequent worldly governments that make up the "kingdoms of this world"...otherwise why would a legendary apostle like Paul go through so much effort to describe our enemy and how we will defeat it? We can talk more at some point. Tatwo...:)

True…true…and becoming more so each week. Something that is interesting about your comment here…I have been without a “smart phone” for just about 6 months. My old phone which I had not been carrying with me for about 2 years…stopped working…of course. I was on version 9 of this phone and version 23 had just come out…phone died…need the “upgraded” model…I sense that this might be a scam? Anyways I did not replace it…there were 3 people that offered to get me a new phone and put me on their service…two of them just did not want me to be “out of touch” let’s say. So warrior…I am experiencing the very thing you suggest…a lack of participation in some areas of the system. The story is happening now…I like the challenge...in that...I am preparing for this and similar things…if it should come to that? Both the proof and the testimony will serve you experientially as you move forward in this life…and…it will likely benefit others around you warrior. I believe you btw. So interesting…I have done the exact same thing…yeh. Tatwo...:)

Yes I have read what you have posted in terms of your testimony warrior…you do and have testified of the “unseen participants” that are here with us today…which are causing a disturbance to the “peace and rest” that God has intended for us…which was prophesied. No matter…because even in this deceitful evil environment we call the “world”…for those that know…the “peace and rest” of our Father is completely available to live in here on earth…even today. It…however…is not found in false ideologies and the doctrines of devils and men…it simply cannot be…and all of this is being exposed as we move along in our days. Things are shaking now warrior…none alive will escape it…unless that are in the Kingdom that cannot be shaken. As the lord is willing…I intend to brother warrior12. There is much to be “revealed” and I am not bound to the 100…200…500 year old doctrines and commentaries of men and their scribes. I hope they accessed the “light” that was available for their times and epochs and perhaps they have helped me grow in God as well. Heaven is the repository of God’s plan for His creation and He is rolling it out has He has decreed He would. As His Kingdom increasingly comes into the realm of earth…it will do so by His will...in exactly the same manner as it does in heaven…and He is communicating this to His messengers today...as always. But the message from heaven today…is for today…this is how it has always been. I think of it as the “living water and the bread of life.” I think I understand what you are saying…I attribute this “fast pace or rush” as you put it…to want to perpetually “fix or make things better” to a general discontent that exists in the human soul, due to deception. The god of this world…the prince of the power of the air…certainly knows how to stir up mans carnality…and why not…he has been working on it since the Garden of Eden…he the master of men’s spiritually uninitiated soul and…can create challenges for the sons of God as well…that is why we really do need each other warrior12. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @warrior12…and thank you for the kind and passionate words and response…lets "take a journey shall we"…this may take a bit? Yes I have witnessed and understand this “fear” in those who “are afraid” to give testimony to their experiences and encounters…as you have stated. It can be downright troubling to say the least. This is in both in the “world” in the purely “carnal” sense and in the “institutional church” in the purely “religious” sense. I do not attend any institutional church personally. What these “fearful” people cannot, or do not discern or understand is…exactly where the “energy” that causes “fear and trepidation”…is coming from. Along with them…there are some who simply refuse to acknowledge and accept that there are “two competing forces” outside of the realm of “natural physical” apprehension and visibility...that's deception. We are in the preliminary stages of what will be the final battle between the Kingdom of God and the kingdom of the dragon…here on earth. There is much to be said about that warrior…many cannot receive it now…they are still behind the veil of their religious belief. As the days progress towards the revealing of “Christ” the son of God here on the earth…the “called” who have been “chosen” will emerge…some will be spared then. Thank you warrior12…anytime someone can affirm that I am not afraid to bring forth both “Truth” and what I have experienced, learned, or discerned…of the “two parallel realms”…I am greatly edified. This is primarily because this is part of my divine call in the Body of Christ…which is my Fathers will for my life. I intend to do His will and accomplish His works in this life…as a worshipful sacrificial and living love offering of my life to Him…that is acceptable to Him. Most who claim Christ have very little understanding of what Paul meant when he wrote and told us that... "For we are his [God the Father] workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Look at them...better yet "ask" any of them what their uniquely "preordained" and divine call from God the Father is...as Paul suggests? Most will say...to love people and to help them and to share the Lord with them and to do nice things...to support the church family of your choice and the like. All of that may be good and fine...I mean it is definitely a better lifestyle than the opposite...yet...that is all common to all who are in the Body of Christ...but really has nothing to do with the "peculiarity and uniqueness" of one's individual high calling. For most of religious institutional Christianity the primary focus for their existence seems to be to get to heaven and miss the trouble that will occur on earth. I am not against going to heaven warrior...in deed you may properly assume that is where I am once I vacate the flesh bag that houses my eternal being. However...my Lords love, nurturing and guidance in being "saved for" the express purpose of being "conformed to His image and likeness" has been a nearly 40 year journey...I am not to the "fully mature" stature of the Christ as I am called...just yet...but I am directly headed in that direction. I know the way...I see His light...I am being empowered as I mature by His Holy Spirit...I now see and understand the purpose behind the creation of my flesh...that my Father chose for me for this hour. The destination of Heaven is of no concern to me warrior...He that abides in me...the "living and active Word"...is eternal...though the heavens and earth pass away...and they will..."His Word" will not. Heaven as a final destination...prior to becoming a spiritually mature adult...in God's call for each of us...that we might function in His Body as designed and empowered by the Holy Spirit...will not happen bro. Many do not realize this in Christianity today...and they do not typically want to concern themselves with such truths. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @In the Clouds... Some might measure what they have done already as "big cuts" not the least of which is likely the U.S. Constitution...Treasury...Department of Education and others. When you have 6-8 heavy Farming states...some of which are nearing planting season who are not getting their subsidy's, grants or their regular flow of operational money...there are those who consider that "detrimental" to the country...the farmers are making noise. As for your comment about the "privatization of areas" as you put it...it looks like that is potentially the plan for the USPS. There will be more...the Parks systems employees are being laid off in a rather surprising number...we will probably see the management of those areas privatized as well...right along with prison's which have been going in that direction for a number of years...just to name a couple. Are we going to be saying goodbye to the old corrupt bloated U.S. government and it's useless human operators...and hello to the new AI chat-bot algorithm driven corporate government where the United States Corporation "rules over" America and Americans. If MAGA-Globalists are successful with what they are trying to do...I think that is what will emerge...as planned. Think about it...the challenge to what MAGA/DOGE is doing really seems rather light. Perhaps those who might mount a real challenge were caught off guard or the they were complicit in and on the take and could not do anything? Tatwo...:)

The challenge with this for humanity as I have come to realize is…apples to oranges really. The Kingdom of God is an invisible spiritual Kingdom of eternal power…all and everything that Elon Musk does and can do is of a temporal…”worldly - carnal”…based order...“within” creation. There are two “invisible spiritual realms” at play simultaneously here in the earth. One is the dragon’s “kingdoms of the world” which is based in deception…and the other the Lord Yahshua’s Kingdom of God which is based in Truth. Both are invisible to the human eye and discernable only…by revelation from Holy Spirit of Truth to the spirit within man. While man may experience, encounter or “bump into” these invisible spiritual realms…they are generally incapable in their natural state of “understanding or discerning” them. The only way to understand them is discernment via the Spirit of Truth…which brings an “eternal perspective” to all things in creation…a throne of God perspective that is. So…given that Elon Musk is a “ruler in the kingdoms of this world”…Paul tells us that he and all that are like him and all that they do…is passing away…meaning to coming to an end. The reason for this is because anything which is not eternal in essence…is created…and will cease to exist when the purpose for which God created it…is fulfilled or completed. So from that perspective…things like “Neuralink…AI”…and the myriad of other “life enhancing” technologies and pharmaceuticals in the “big picture”...are purely a gag to futilely attempt to extend or better the carnal finite human existence…while additionally serving as a cover for what is really taking place and coming forth...which mankind cannot see…as prophesied. “Let me say…human life has no particular value apart from the purposes of God…that is how God sees it. Man only has value, from an eternal viewpoint, when he is reconciled to God.” I am not saying that none of these modern advances in medicine and technology benefit humanity…not at all. We need to understand that the eternal God and Father of creation…looks at the “death of humans” in a very different way than humans do. Worldly and carnal humans “fear” death…so they can be lead or should I say “threatened” to believe and accept anything that pertains to “saving their flesh” [lust of the flesh]…which was never going to be eternal to begin with...flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. So…a son of God should be able to see the illusion that is playing out...as it is and does...right here in front of us today. The Spirit life that is in the sons of God on earth today…is eternal…for us death is a must and for most the next step on their journey. Remember what Paul wrote…”to live is Christ to die is gain.” Man since the Garden of Eden…has been trying to become “godlike” and failing…primarily due to the fact that this is all happening in the lesser realm of…“creation”…that is passing away according to the Word of an eternal God. These folks and their followers are chasing a “dead end” proposition. This age will end exactly as the Lord has prophesied it to…anything that is not eternal will ultimately perish along with those who trust in them. There is more to be said…perhaps we get on to that? Tatwo...:)

Elon Musk - A gift from God or Playing God? Greetings @irishbeast... So you are aware of some of his “works” and admire them. I think I can understand that…largely due to the alleged success he has had in certain projects. There is a whole back story to this character...irish…that you may or may not be aware of. The reason I mention that is because once I realized through an abundance of research concerning him, his persona, and his affiliations…I saw a different man than who was presented by the main and much of the alternative stream medias. He’s a man and I am not suggesting anything else…and in that…he is just a man. I am convinced that some of his “projects” be they successful or not…are a type of smokescreen for his actual intentions. Let me give you an example… He gets a couple of fellow multi-billionaires to invest in the purchase of “Twitter” late in 2022 in the run up to the 2024 election. He invites a couple of journalists in…to go over the records or logs produced in part by the actions of the sitting administration. Once these journalists see what twitter was doing in terms of censorship in regards to the right…Musk opens a “limited hangout” for folks to check out some of what was actually happening at Twitter. But not everything…hence the “limited hangout”…once the info he wanted to come out…came out…for the purpose of his intentions…he shut down the limited hangout and proceeded to some degree to engage in his own form of censorship. As time progressed towards the election…Musk infused the RNC and the Trump campaign with over $270 million dollars…a sum…that former Trump strategist and 30+ year Washington DC veteran Steve Bannon said…was the largest donation to a presidential campaign that he had ever seen. So Musk had purchased and rewired “Twitter/X” to support “Free speech” meaning a considerably heavier “right” perspective for America to digest. Then the effectively bought the Trump campaign...the U.S. presidency. Hard to accept…perhaps…but not really? Just look at Musk now…tearing through the U.S. Corporation like its new Chief Executive Officer…while the chairman of the board runs interference. The “new look” the U.S. Corporation is taking on…if they succeed…will be very different than what Americans are used to and fond of. This is just a partial commentary on the 2 year timeframe leading up to the election…more importantly is the “business affiliations” that Musk has built for years and their collective and ultimate intentions for the U.S. Corporation. The intentions and aspirations this group of “global capitalist broligarchs and their dream empire” are playing out right now in front of the entire world. The problem for most people is…they do not recognize what they are looking at. This is an empire like no other empire in the history of empires! This is a global empire with totalitarian objectives…and is well entrenched for many decades and likely longer. I am thinking about writing more about this…merely to prepare those who know that change is here and will likely require significant adjustments…if you will. Tatwo...:)

I think I understand what you are saying…maybe. You seem to be speaking of a “two step – multi step” process…right? Here is a brief look at some situations from the scriptures that may be of assistance to you Azzure. In John 3 in the first 15 verses you have the Lord Himself laying out what might be seen as a “two step” process if you will? “Born again” allows one to “see” the Kingdom of God… Salvation or “saved” from the kingdom of darkness? “Born of the water and Spirit” is ones “empowering birth” into the Kingdom of God Birthed into…washed and empowered for life in the spiritual Kingdom of God? In John 20:21-23 we see the Lord “breathing” upon the 12 and saying “Receive the Holy Spirit” Previously they had been baptized by John Here they receive the Holy Spirit...Salvation or saved? Then in Acts 1 the Lord Yahshua says to the same people “after” He had “breathed” the Holy Spirit upon them…”John baptized you with water”…“but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” They were washed and had received the Holy Spirit… Were baptized in water by John Washed? Will be baptized with the Holy Spirit Birthed and Empowered for Kingdom of God life on earth? Then a bit later in Acts 1 the Lord explains things like this…“you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you” They had previously been… Washed by John…cleansed in the Word symbolized by water. Saved by the Lord Himself…He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them Were soon to be empowered by the receiving the Holy Spirit Later on in Acts 19 Paul and Apollos encounter some ”disciples”…so they were “disciples” as Paul recognized and categorized them…and upon his questioning of them he found that they were baptized in water by John…So Paul proceeds to “baptize” them in the “name of” [by His authority] the Lord Yahshua in water no doubt? Then after that…Paul “lays his hands” on them and they “receive” the Holy Spirit. Believers washed unto repentance by John Disciples washed in the authority of the Lord Receiving the empowerment of the Holy Spirit Helpful? Tatwo...:)

“Our religious flesh”…that’s a good way to put it. Sometimes I see this “form of godliness” playing out like this…I need God to give me a surplus of provision for today…and I will save it up for the tomorrow…so I won’t have to trust God…tomorrow. Religion… Again I am curious brother VA…have you considered the actual difference in life and living…between “religion and relationship” on a day to day basis? Translated… Religion…I will do things the way I see best to please God…I am my own source for sustenance, I strive for my own protection and provision…no one has my back…as is revealed by my constant striving and life effort day to day…that I might provide and protect for myself on my own as my only life source. Eternal Spirit life is merely an abstract concept to me…that I hope to one day obtain when I go to heaven…all the while…I fear for my life and living as can be seen in how I have become my own source for life and living…day to day. Relationship…I am a spiritual son of the eternal God and Father of creation…who loves me and teaches me His way as I am learning to do His will, His desire, His purpose with my life. He is my identity, my sustenance, my provision and protection…His eternal life in me…there is no fear of death in eternal life…because that which is eternal cannot be threatened by anything in creation. Therefore I am at “rest” with my Father. Tatwo...:)

This is a good thought…did you define what either might look like…in terms of real everyday life? Or was it more so a conceptual conversation? Sure…because it was “believed as Truth – they chose to believe that it was God who lied”…this is deception. The deception of…“you can be like God through your own efforts”…false religion…was indelibly branded into the human souls of mankind’s progenitors then “genetically” if you will...passed down through the ages. And that is likely where the “dichotomy” which you outline above…begins and flows from. Perhaps we might recognize that it played out like this…“When the woman saw that the tree was good for food” – “lust of the flesh.” Next she said…“and that it was a delight to the eyes” – “lust of the eyes” and then she admitted…“and that the tree was desirable to make one wise” – “boastful pride of life.” There you have it…the “birth” of the “world” as John put it in 1st John 2:16…which is antithetical or enmity against God. It was that very thing that produced “sin”…no? One could say that it became the “dominant” religious force over the millennia right up to today as can be seen...even in your weekly discussion really. Tatwo...:)