
Jabre7
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I do admit I was harsh in my wording. I can get pretty emotional over lies being spread like some kind of immutable truth(perhaps because of my very bad history with cults and their mindsets forced on me). I hope you forgive me. I wasn't calling them evil necessarily, just needed to make certain my point was getting across, it was trying to correct on account of them being genuinely confused or not seeing the whoke picture, rather than "Bible Thump" them if that makes sense.
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I'm sorry if I misunderstood you(I thought you were against me, lol). I do hope I have some more insight though.
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I added clarification to the post, if you're willing to re-read. Also, Intellectual Property was only an idea a few hundred years ago, so it's hard to justify the Bible supporting a "moral truth"so relatively new, to put it lightly.
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Jabre7 started following Am I finally free? and Are you justifying sin by supporting this?
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If this sounds hostile to anyone, I don't mean any of that to whoever reads this. Christians often insist copyright law, even people who agree it's far from clean, must be followed no matter what because the Bible says God wants us to follow the law of the land, that governments still enforce order and you're disobeying God, in effect, because He ordains them and this law doesn't forbid us following His will. On the principle behind this, i would agree. However... You positively are NOT honoring God if you insist these laws have to be followed as a moral command. Think about it, these companies insist you don't own something you bought with your own hard earned money, and do in fact steal it back(a form of fraud/scamming that anyone in their right mind would be outraged by with and rightly see as criminal behavior that cannot be justified or let slide with anything that's not media and say you shouldn't let yourself be stolen from/tell others they should let it happen), and justify it by "you agreed", "It's our legal right to use our products in such a way, we put so much work into it and made an IP for it after all!" Now I'm not saying take something currently being paid for, obviously that's wrong regardless, if only because the creators get their paycheck off of sales, but insisting God orders us to see torrenting something they've abandoned and have no interest in using anymore as a moral violation because "they technically still own it, and we must follow the law of the land!", is basically just justifying their sin, and in the name of God as well! Worse, it effectively does, in fact, insist you violate the principle of "only disobey laws that forbid you from what God says/order something morally wrong". They're telling people, who see how hypocritical this all is, and how much they clearly see this as justifying an exception to something being a scam and being stolen from, that THEY'RE hypocrites because "God says render unto Ceaser what is his, end of story". They are not only projecting(lying to yourself and others), but engaging in the kind of hypocrisy Paul and Jesus would rebuke because you approve of, and endorse the sin of a group rendering unto themselves what is not theirs by any reasonable standard, insist they can have just about any standard with things they no longer will even use, or their currently used things, no matter how hypocritical they are, and tell people to let themselves be stolen from and obey this predatory behavior without question. In effect, they are committing the same sin these corporations do in denying they're subject to the basic morality of not trying to convince people some vile act of criminal behavior, done in the same way and without any nuance as it would be without being legal, must be obeyed because some fat cat lobbys for a bill that says it's magically not that. It is NOT a "rendering unto Ceaser" issue because as I said, in literally any other context this behavior would be seen as wholy criminal, and seen as there being no way to justify it, much less make excuses as for why you shouldn't speak up against it. Yet somehow the mere idea of "Intellectual Property"(which has only existed as a concept for a few hundred years, if you really want to argue the Bible supporting it) hand waves this away. It doesn't really matter if they don't approve of said behavior or say "if you don't like these laws, work to change them" at that point, they are willfully denying the reality of the situation, and more or less shouting at others to do the same, gaslighting them into believing they're decieving themselves for not. There are alot of times when we do have to obey the law even if we disagree. That ends when you have to be a hypocrite and deciever youself to do so. I suggest you think on why you do this, if you do.
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Some people seem to worship the God of another reality, if you catch my drift, one where certain things that are bad and destructive here are good, where often even abuse is tolerable and even righteous if it's "done Biblically", of course they never call it abuse. And some others seem to worship a God who's basically a tantrum throwing toddler, who has everything be arbitrary and if he doesn't get his way, how he feels it at the moment, he goes full Hulk on whoever questions him and his cultic teachings on Judgement Day. I'm sure most of you, especially those who have been in cults, work based or otherwise, know what I'm talking about...but why are there so many groups like this?
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I've noticed something important, something my Bible teacher actually pointed out when it comes to vows according to the Bible: In every case of a vow, it's implied there's someone to confirm it was made, and the oath is specifically spoken verbally. None of my oaths for a long time have been spoken, and in the very rare cases among those I told someone about it, I was scared of it being binding and asking if it was, not confirming that I was even completely sure I was bound to it. Besides, every spoken oath when it comes to abstaining from something has been OCD induced, and almost certainly not binding regardless since I'm not in my right mind when making them. Also there's all the countless OCD "oaths" that were only in thought, which according to the biblical definition, wouldn't count. The spoken ones from long ago still worry me a bit, but I'm very much relieved knowing my foolish thought processes don't restrain me.
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I also in my foolish compulsions ask God to bind me if I fail...I hope since it's from compulsions and not entirely under my control He won't honor this
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I mean I compulsively, in my OCD fueled madness, make oaths in my head like"if I don't manage to do this, I'll never play video games again!" It's almost always video games for some reason, either that or some other thing I'm scared I'll make an oath for or am about to enjoy. The urge suddenly comes and it's very strong, often times I can't stop it from playing out in my head...I could at least resist it instead of giving in because my mind suggests some stupid challenge to go with it, so I'm scared I may be bound to these...I try and try to repent of making these, but it always happens again
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I have religious OCD, sure, and I often try to resist these...people say God knows your heart to people who don't want these, don't want to end up making them...but that's the thing, God DOES know my heart, see my thoughts and their intentions...and He sees that even if I don't want to end up binding myself to pointless restrictions, when the compulsions come, I often agree to some ridiculous challenge and/or meaningless restrictions because it scratches that itch my brain forces on me... it's like I become a different person, going from one who realizes the danger of oaths and why they're sinful for us in the New Covenat, to an adrenaline junkie who will gamble on everything no matter what the consequences may be if he fails...when I fail I immediately mourn that I've failed Jesus's command not to bind yourself under this, and that I may have permanently lost the right to do something I had no reason to stop...but like 5 minutes later I do it again. Sure, all of this is only ever in thought, I never would risk binding for sure myself in word, but my point still stands...could this all just be compulsions and not binding even if it's disrespectful to give in, or am I just so foolishly impulsive I truly don't care about consequences for things like this?
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thank you, i might return once i fix the mess that is my spiritual life
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All ive ever done here is suggest blasphemous ideas to sate my lust for all these "god killing" or "demon killing" series, even offering a "christian version" idea, or ask if its ok to play something that's clearly not good for anyone spiritually. I'm probably the most unWorthy person ever to be on this site. I have no place here. So i'm banishing myself from all online Christian communities, i do the same stuff there. No ask for help i ever do is truly sincere. Go ahead and ban me already.
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I know, everyone says "follow your conscience in such matters", but i feel like my Conscience can't speak, that i can't really tell right from wrong by myself, which is why i need someone to tell me what's right, either other believers or my conscience "wakes up" momentarily in moments of extreme burden over the consequences of something wrong i already did. Okay, so the Digital Devil Saga(also called Avatar Tuner) series(there's only 2 games) is one of my favorite video game series. I'm not sure if a Christian should really be playing this though, because it has heavy Hindu/Bhuddist themes, and enemies/bosses include all sorts of mythological creatures and even gods, end game bosses in them being almost exclusively Hindu gods. There's also the Biblical Archangels as bosses in 2. I know with the exception of the Archangels, it's all stuff from other religions and stuff, but there are Bible verses that seem to say, maybe i'm not reading the context right, to stay far away from anything to do with other religions, even if you know its false. This series caused HUGE backlash from Hindus BTW, not that it's important, just wanted to bring it up.
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i was going to make a fantasy/scifi roleplay with Christian themes. I was going to have it almost be an actual RPG people could play, with the major villians being bosses. a recurring one was going to be Xenu from Scientology. Yes, many of the villians were going to be mythical gods and demons and whatnot. I was going to use these figures, especially Xenu, to expose what these cults/ faiths truly beleive and where they came from. I even have the final villian/boss and penultimate enemy planned, turn away now if you don't want them spoiled:------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tthe final villian and "boss" was going to be Sophia, the supreme and original godess of Gnosticism. Unlike the others, this one is supposed to actully be the deity, or at least the actual demon behind her, where all the other "gods" are in fact avatars people take based off said deity/demon. The penultimate one would be GAOTU, the Masonic God, who would then transform into his "true form", Baphomet. Would this all be sinful?
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i have a mobile game called Shin Megami Tensei Dx2. Basically it's a game where you collect characters to fight for you, and like most gacha style games, it has a summoning system where you can recruit a random character by using in game currency. I did this....and got Baphomet(if you don't know who he is, follow this link:https://youtu.be/iLRBziDjkaQ). he even looks almost exactly like the occult depictions of him. I'm scared. The game doesn't let you discard party members as far as i know, so i'm considering just deleting the game, or fusing him away(games like this also have a system where you can give up 2 party members to get a stronger one). As a Christian i want nothing to do with occult beings, even if it's just a video game and it's not the real demon or whatever. Should i delete the game? The game also has all sorts of pagan gods, and super vile ones like Egyptian and Mayan gods too, as well as other mythological beings and spirits. It even has the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse, and the archangels from the Bible. should i delete this game?