Solus Christus

My point is Erasmus and Luther caught that the majority of the original texts said “repent” which fits with plethora of scriptures (even OT), and that Jerome had mistranslated it “do penance.” That stands for any language, because its the Greek New Testament that even the English Bible is bow translated from. Erasmus translation was Greek, do you not know about him? It wasn’t a German translation. Erasmus wanted to go back to original language The NT is written in and found differences in them. The Apostle Paul wrote in Greek, not Latin, Syriac, Egyptian, Coptic, and etc. The Gospels were written by the Apostled in Koine Greek, because it was the common tongue, The French, the English of the time. The ‘earliest manuscripts’ you speak of like The Alexandrian / Textus Receptus are Egyptian (it is even called Egyptian Text) and used by Roman Catholic Church, Coptic Church, and other erroneous denoms. There are major error via the gnostics, coptics (who arn’t Christian, I can gladly prove this from their own creeds). I stay away from Egyptian Christianities, they are very corrupt from my own experience around them. The Majority Text is on Byzantine or Greek Speaking texts without Egyptian or Roman Catholic interference. Oh really, so if all your relatives have 4999 copies of gradma’s secret sauce they say use pesto, and 1 copy says salsa verde, you would go with the one? The Majority or consensus is right. Hence The Council of Nicea agreed Jesus and Father are One Essence (Homeostasis), with only two bishops out of Two hundred & fifty to Three hundred disagreeing. Those two are the heretics, not the majority.

Great point! Persecution was indeed the Church’s Tower of Babel to get them to “go forth and make disciples of all nations.” Thanks for bringing that up.

I find the hardest moment is getting another saint to realize “we are both right,” that we are seeing teo different sides of the coin, or as Rabbi said, “the many colors reflecting from diamond.”

I have to admit I am worried about the Christian Post-Modernism. That no two Christians can agree on anything, even words regarding essentials. It makes me feel nostalgia for authoritarian churches, where everyone in congregation & church denom agrees to a creed, and etc. But even that is fragmenting with schisms in Reformed Churches. Sigh.

I think Enoch was the first prophet.

That Ephensians 4:31-32 is so good. We are suppose to be spreading the fruit of the Spirit, “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.” (Galarians 5:22-23)

I am saddened when saints let their mouths or in the case of online, fingers, serve Satan, like how Peter did and Christ rebuked his behavior, “And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord! This shall never happen to you.” But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”(Matthew 16:22-23) I think when saints do bite it is because their mind is on things of man.

Yeah I read up on it.

Is it true Jews don’t get tattoos?

Well The Church is under the New Covenant which is outlined in The New Testament. The Old Testament deals with the Old Covenant which has passed away. Many Messianic Bibles replace Old Testament and New Testament with simply Old and New Covenant.

What is YEC? I said I believe Genesis 1 is what it is saying it is, seven days of Creation. I stick to literal till its obvious its symbolism. I believe Scripture is clear, that it can be understood by as William Tyndale said “a plow boy.”

Really? New Covenant is mentioned by Jeremiah and Jesus says He is creating New Covenant in His Blood. Its clearly foretelling Jesus and The New Covenant in His Blood.

Ars not all assumptions, aren’t we all using a lens?: denominational upbringing, eschatological view, and etc? Its like history, all history is biased, it is point of view of the victor, persecuted, and etc.

“But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.” (Galatians 5:15) A warning for us saints. If we are not careful, we will consume each other, and fail to prove to the world that we are Christ’s disciples, “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (Joun 13:35)

Its not a surrender, its we will never agree on this so why debate endlessly? Where is the grace in your namesake huh?

The Church Age is foretold by the Prophet Jeremiah: “JThe New Covenant [31] “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. [33] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” (Jeremiah 31:31-34) “[20] And likewise the cup after they had eaten, Jesus saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.” (Luke 22:20) ”Therefore Jesus is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.” (Hebrews 9:15) “Who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” (2 Corinthians 3:6)

@SavedOnebyGrace We will have to agree to disagree. I have said my view, you have yours. Have a blessed day.

Indeed, Jerome even translates Moses coming down from Sinai with two goat horns rather than his face covered in light. Hence why Michelangelo‘s Moses statue has horns.

a) My quote was scholarship, Luther and Erasmus noticed in the Greek it’s “repent” not “do penance” like the faulty Latin Vulgate translation. b) I know the original languages were Aramaic, and Koine Greek. Hebrew wasn’t even the major language then, but now scholars use the Masoretic Text, a 9-10th century A.D. text instead of Septuagint, even though the Sept has the least bias because it was translated in Alexandria in 60 B.C. by 70 Hebraic scholars for the Pharaoh, and before Jews became bitter towards Medieval Christians which is reflected in changes they made. The Septuagint is also before Jews started removing messianic passages like Isaiah 53 from their Tanakhs, most Tanakhs today are half-Tanakh, that omit passages and chapters like Isaiah 53. Jesus quoted from The Septuagint, and his words don’t line up with Masoretic Text. c) I know Jerome’s translation was Latin, I was using it to make a point, that if someone’s translation or copy differs from the scholarly majority texts it is to be thrown out, for instance if you have 4999 Greek texts saying “Jesus is Lord” and 1 text says “Jesus is like the Lord” you throw out that one faulty text. This is how the compilers of Bible operates in addition to taking into account authenticity, authorship verification, cross referencing, did the early churches circulate those texts, and etc.

I love the Moravians, they helped John Weasley come out of the law and legalism and find grace in Jesus.

Yeah church boards and meeting to discuss meeting to discuss.. “always learning they are never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, having held to a form of godliness they have lost its power.” (2 Timothy 3:4-5) Camelot syndrome, I love that term! Yeah many churches because they are autonomous have a cult of personality: the pastor. I like the Lutheran model where a pastor stays with a congregation for fixed amount of time and then moves on to another parish, that way a cult of personality cannot form. Yeah outreach and evangelism can be unique. The message is the same, but the medium & method can be unique. I am for discipleship, though beware, a cult called Covenant Church / Shepherding Movement formed on doing discipleship.

The forests that this fellowship lived near reminds me of the Moravian Brethren hiding in the woods during persecution. Forests have been havens for the saints.

Great points, but it feels like a part I of a fuller thought. Care to continue?

I mentioned elsewhere I was obessed with Acts purity, to be like the early church. But the truth is the Acts church did not choose to “have all things in common,” they were forced to because of the times, persecution and the civilization of Rome ready to bear down on them. I agree that “to everything a season under heaven,” that there was even a time for iron churches of the Middle Ages fighting heretics and new enemies at the time. I am thankful The Reformation got us back to the true gospel, sound theology, and sound doctrine. But even its pulpit and teaching method we use today is outdated as newer gens flock to blogs, and more interactive models. I think we can enjoy the fruits of all Church history, even our own, and spit out the bones. @Marathoner I envy your experience with that community. Sounds like such a blessing!

This is most helpful!!! Are most translations from Majority Text?