Big Boy Stan Murf

Did ya'll talk about the Law of Christ, aka the law of liberty, aka the doctrine of Chris, aka doctrine of the apostles? There are some things that were carried over from the old covenant, but there are also new things that raise the bar such as when Jesus said if a man lusts after a woman in his heart, he's already commited adultery (Matthew 5:28). There's no record in the old testament law that said lusting after a woman was a sin... but it is in the new covenant! 1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. Galatians 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Bible Facts For Saturday Sabbatarians To Ponder or Squander 1. The Ten Commandments were reinstated in the New Testament EXCEPT the Sabbath Command The 1st commandment was reinstated in Matt. 22:37; 1 Cor. 8:5,6. The 2nd commandment was reinstated in 1 Jn. 5:21. (Col. 3:5 and Eph. 5:5 broadens idolatry to include covetousness.) The 3rd commandment was reinstated in Col. 3:8. The 5th commandment was reinstated in Eph. 6:1-3. The 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th commandments were reinstated in Rom. 13:8-10; Matt. 19:18; Gal. 5:14; 1 Cor. 6:9,10; and Gal. 5:19-21. Sometimes Heb. 4:4 and 4:9,10 are thought to show the sabbath command was reinstated in the NT merely because the word "sabbath" is found. Let's look at this passage: For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest." It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience. Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his (Heb. 4:4-10). Please note: That passage mentions only a "Sabbath rest," but not the keeping of the Sabbath, as Israel was commanded in the Old Testament! Furthermore, this "Sabbath rest" can not be equated with the keeping of the Saturday Sabbath, for even the Israelites who did keep it did not enter this "rest." A Christian finds his spiritual rest in Christ (Mt. 11:28). Only the 4th commandment, which is ceremonial rather than moral, was not reinstated in the New Testament, the covenant we are under today. 2. The Saturday Sabbath Command was a Memorial The Saturday Sabbath command was given soon after the Israelites were delivered by Moses. Read of the crossing of the Red Sea in Exodus 14. The point of Exodus 19:1 was just three months after they left Egypt, with Exodus 20 (when the Ten Commandments were given) coming soon thereafter. Exodus 20:1-17 is repeated in Deut. 5:6-21, where Moses expounds upon WHY it came and to WHOM the Sabbath command was given. "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day" (Deut. 5:15). As Passover was an annual memorial festival for the Jews to celebrate in memory of God, who passed over the houses of the Israelites in Egypt while the firstborn of the Egyptians were struck dead (Ex. 12:14-30), the Saturday Sabbath was also for the Jews to remember weekly their historical deliverance from bitter slavery in Egypt, Deut. 5:15. The Saturday Sabbath command, therefore, was not a "creation ordinance" as some say, according to Deut. 5:15. Also consider the following: "The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested" (Exo 31:16,17). 3. Christians are permitted to make up their own minds about a Special Day "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord ...." (Rom. 14:5,6). If the Saturday Sabbath command was still enforced today, as in the Old Testament, such "liberty" would NEVER be allowed! Can you imagine such Christian "liberty" in setting up idols, committing adultery or stealing? Since the latter are clear commands (no idolatry, no adultery, no stealing), there is no such "liberty" regarding these matters, in contrast to a special weekly day to the Lord. Also remember, when Paul gave us Romans 14, he knew about Gen. 2:3 and the rest of the Old Testament. Among Saturday sabbatarians there does NOT exist this Christian liberty! Col. 2:16,17 adds to all this by saying: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." If it is true, as some say, that the pope changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, then why did first-century Christians sometimes meet on Sunday? On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight (Acts 20:7). On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made (1 Cor. 16:2). 4. The Gentile Christians were NOT commanded to keep the Saturday Sabbath In Acts 15, the first church council convened over a false teaching of that day: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved," verse 1. When the Lord's apostles wrote their decision about circumcision for the Gentile Christians to read (Acts 15:23-29), their silence about the observance of the Jewish Sabbath is significant, especially when we consider that breaking the Saturday Sabbath command in the Old Testament carried with it very serious consequences, including the death sentence for offenders (Exo. 31:14-17 cf. Num. 15:32-36): 5. The Real Purpose of the entire Ten Commandments "So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith." (Gal. 3:24) "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Rom. 3:20) 6. Did the Lord Jesus Command a Person to Sin on the Sabbath "Sir," the invalid replied, "I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me." Then Jesus said to him, "Get up! Pick up your mat and walk." At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked. The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat." But he replied, "The man who made me well said to me, 'Pick up your mat and walk' " (John 5:7-11). The Lord Jesus commanded that invalid, on a Sabbath, to pick up his mat and walk with it to be healed. Hence, this would constitute "work," according to the Old Testament Sabbath command. Since the Lord of the Sabbath could NEVER command a person to sin, we, thereby know that Christians today are NOT under this same Sabbath command as given to Israel in Ex. 20:8-11, which reads: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (Ex. 20:8-11). Again, what the Lord Jesus told the man to do was forbidden to be done on a Sabbath, as the Jews correctly noted: "The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat" (John 5:9,10). Here's the exact Scripture where such was forbidden: "This is what the LORD says: Be careful not to carry a load on the Sabbath day or bring it through the gates of Jerusalem. Do not bring a load out of your houses or do any work on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy, as I commanded your forefathers. Yet they did not listen or pay attention; they were stiff-necked and would not listen or respond to discipline. But if you are careful to obey me, declares the LORD, and bring no load through the gates of this city on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy by not doing any work on it" (Jer. 17:21-24). But if you do not obey me to keep the Sabbath day holy by not carrying any load as you come through the gates of Jerusalem on the Sabbath day, then I will kindle an unquenchable fire in the gates of Jerusalem that will consume her fortresses.'" (Jer 17:27) The Jews were right that the law, as given to Israel, to keep holy the Sabbath day forbid such things from being done. Hence, the OT Sabbath command can no longer be valid for Christians. So when did this change? The answer is found in Lk. 16:16: "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it." This is also the reason why we don't see this part of the 10 commandments reinstated in the New Testament. This point cannot be answered by the SDA people. Messianic Jews Are Also WRONG About The Sabbath Sabbatarians Are Not Keeping The Saturday Sabbath Saturday Sabbatarians claim to keep the Sabbath command as was given to Israel, but in reality are only keeping a modified Sabbath regulation, which is not keeping it at all! Below are three reasons why this is so: A) In the OT, when this command was given to Israel and enforced, people were to be put to death for desecrating the Sabbath (Ex. 31:14,15): "Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested" (Exo. 31:14-17). A man was put to death for violating this command (Num. 15:32-36). So the same ones (Israel) that kept the Sabbath put to death Sabbath violators. Sabbatarians are NOT doing this! B) The Sabbath keepers were NOT allowed to light a fire on the Sabbath day: "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day" (Ex. 35:3, KJV). If your heat in the winter is automatic through your furnace, you are violating this command. If you light your stove on the Sabbath you violate this command. If have an automatic hot water heater you are violating this command. Finally, if you start your car on the Sabbath, you have also violated this command given to Israel. Note: When you start your car, you start a fire that did not exist moments before. C) On "EVERY Sabbath" there is to be a burnt offering: "On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil. This is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering" (Num. 28:9,10). This OT command for Sabbath keepers is clearly forbidden under the New Covenant in light of the book of Hebrews. The early Christians didn't do this and, therefore, did not keep the Saturday Sabbath command like Israel (Ex. 20:8-11 cf. Num. 28:9,10). Saturday Sabbath Breakers NOT in the Lake of Fire There is no Scripture in the New Testament which states that Saturday Sabbath breakers will be thrown into the lake of fire. On the other hand, the New Testament does state that idolaters, murderers, thieves, the covetous, the sexually immoral, liars, etc. will be excluded from the kingdom of God and thrown into the lake of burning sulfur (1 Cor. 6:9,10; Eph. 5:5-7; Gal. 5:19-21; Rev. 21:8). Furthermore, there are others, like the drunkards, etc. who are not mentioned in the Ten Commandments, that will likewise experience the same eternal destiny, that is, unless they repent (1 Cor. 6:9,10; Gal. 5:19-21). For a Saturday Sabbatarian to say one MUST keep the Saturday Sabbath regulation for salvation is to place themselves under the anathema found in Gal. 1:8,9. A person can be a true Christian and have Sunday as the special day unto the Lord. The True Plan Of Salvation Furthermore, the true plan of salvation is concisely stated in the Bible as repentance towards God and faith in Christ Jesus (Acts 20:21). We are to produce fruit in keeping with repentance (Matt. 3:8) and prove our repentance by our deeds (Acts 26:20). To "repent" means to turn from your evil ways (Matt. 12:41 cf. Jonah 3:10). Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matt. 3:10; 7:19). The Lord Jesus also taught the road to life is "hard" and only a "few" will find it (Matt. 7:13,14, NKJV). The Lord declared there that there are ONLY 2 gates, 2 roads, 2 groups of people and 2 eternal destinies. So don't follow the crowd, since they are on their way to eternal fire, even though they might not know it. Moreover, many get saved, but afterwards fall away (Lk. 8:13; Jn. 6:66; 1 Tim. 1:19; etc.). In other words, after initial salvation we must endure to the "end" to enter the kingdom of God and escape the lake of fire (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Eternal life comes to the repentant the moment such believe on Jesus for salvation (Jn. 3:16; 6:47; 1 Jn. 5:12,13), but there is another important aspect of eternal life that many are totally unaware of in our day because of a different false teaching which is commonly called "once saved, always saved." According to true, Biblical, grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9). Also, remember this: If a saved person sows to please his sinful nature he'll die spiritually (Rom. 8:13; Gal. 6:8,9). The prodigal son is a clear example of this (Lk. 15:24,32). The end result of sin is spiritual death. DO NOT BE DECEIVED by the "once saved, always saved" teachers (James 1:14-16). We must continue to believe (TRUST) on Jesus for our soul's salvation to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus described his "sheep" as his "followers" (John 10:27). James stated that faith without works is "dead" (James 2:17). In conclusion, Jesus successfully destroyed the devil's work (1 John 3:8). He is the resurrected "Lord of glory" (1 Cor. 2:8), before whom every knee will bow and every tongue confess that he is Lord (Phil. 2:9-11). Jesus has the ONLY name in which salvation is found (Acts 4:12), is the ONLY mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5) and is the judge of the living and the dead (Acts 10:42; 2 Tim. 4:1; 1 Pet. 4:5). We are advised in Scripture to go directly to Him for forgiveness and to TRUST in Him alone for our soul's salvation. Ellen G. White and Her Sabbath No offense intended, but if you are a Seventh Day Adventist, did you know that Ellen G. White was a false prophetess, plagiarist and false teacher? Her strange teaching that Christ entered the heavenly sanctuary in 1844 to perform investigative judgment is a clear denial of the finality of the atonement on the cross. See Jn. 19:30. Also, for her to teach Satan is the sin bearer is a clear contradiction of Scripture (Isa. 53:6; 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:24). Both of these false teachings disseminated by false prophetess Ellen G. White can be found in her book, The Great Controversy page 422 published by Pacific Press, Mountain View, CA, 1950.

That's what they said about Jesus when he took that whip and under threat of bodily injury He ran the money changers out of the temple! You'll notice as you read thru the Gospels that Jesus was very polite in instructing those that did not know the Lord... but those who claimed to know the Lord and were teaching error, He was very rude to them! Interesting how this worked out...

The old man of the dead flesh is not and cannot be the default for the ones that have been born again thru Jesus Christ... but it IS for those following dead men's religious social clubs (that's all many churches are in these end time of the great falling away). John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW You the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent *”KNOW” is to: become one with, to be in agreement with, perceive, have knowledge of, be sure of, understand. (includes having the Father’s knowledge, the Mind of Christ - 1 Corinthians 2:16) Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? (No, they don’t and they won’t due to disagreement... we are either living in agreement with the Lord, or in opposition to the Lord) 2 Corinthians 6:16,17 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people....Therefore come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. (in the OT see: Exodus 29:45-46, Ezekiel 37:27) The Father's purpose for creating mankind was / is to be with us, and share Himself with us! (see: 2 Corinthians 6:16,17, Ezekiel 37:27, Leviticus 26:12, Zechariah 2:10-11, Psalms 68:17-18, Isaiah 12:6, Psalm 46:4-7, Revelations 21:3, Luke 1:68, John 1:10-14, Ephesians 2:7) Romans 12:1,2 (see James 4:4 - whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God – WARNING!) I declare to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that YOU present your body a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service....and be not conformed to this world (see James 4:4): but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (understanding, vision), that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 1 Corinthians 6:19, 20 Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own....for you are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Peter 1:13-16 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ… As obedient children, not fashioning (agreeing with) yourself according to the former lusts in your ignorance… But as He which has called you is holy, so be yourself holy in all manner of lifestyle… Because it is written, Be holy; for I am holy. 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; L00K, all things are become new. And all things are of God, Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be reconciled to God. For He has made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we MIGHT be made the righteousness of God in Him. Romans 8:11-15 If the Spirit of Him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken (make ALIVE) your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if you live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify (put to death) the deeds of the body, you shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (see Romans 8:6) For you have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but you have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. (Daddy God, my Daddy, my Father.. love Him enough to live FOR HIM, not self). 2 Peter 1:3,4 According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you MIGHT be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (fleshly, worldly desires)

What do you make of these verses? James 5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. *By addressing this to “brethren” we know this is speaking to believers who turned from the truth and if they are converted back to the truth, the soul of the person that had fallen away is being saved from spiritual death which is separation from God. Colossians 1:21-23 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven. *A condition is given here to be righteous before the Lord which is IF we continue in the faith. Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved. Jude 1:5,6 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. *If once saved always saved was true, then the Lord would not be speaking thru Jude to put us in remembrance about what happened to those that quit believing (turned their backs on the Lord to live in opposition to Him which is to live in sin). *If angels having been created perfect turn away from the Lord and be separated from Him forever, we would experience the same. Thankfully, the Lord has provided a way for man to confess and forsake sin in order to receive mercy (see Proverbs 28:13), but if we continue in our sin we will not have mercy due having turned away from the Lord 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils *This is speaking of those that were once in the faith having become born again believers and later turned away from the Lord. Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins *If we knowing and willing continue in sin, Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross is no longer applicable and there will be no new sacrifice for sin forthcoming other than what Jesus has already done at the Cross. One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them. Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. *One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them. 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Romans 1:28-32 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Ezekiel 18:26,27 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. Ezekiel 18:20 (see Romans 8:13) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:20-24 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it Matthew 10:32,33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 6:14,15 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. John 15:1,2 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. John 15:5 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. *This indicates that these folks were born again and they had "fallen from grace" because they turn away from trusting in Jesus for their salvation.

It's not that everyone that believes in OSAS lives in sin... it's that they teach if one were to live in sin, they would still be saved because all future sin has already been forgiven, and that it's not possible to lose your salvation This is what causes other to stumble and go ahead and live in sin because so many churches and ministries teach OSAS so why shouldn't they believe this? Sure most that advocate for OSAS will say "it's wrong to live in sin, we don't recommend that anybody live in sin" and then turn right around as say it's not possible to lose your salvation So without actually saying the specific words that it's OK to live in sin, they are telling people just that which is a stumbling block and does not reflect what scripture actually teaches. And, there are actually more and more ministries that are saying outright that it doesn't matter if one lives in sin as they will be saved anyway. Here's a video of Charles Stanley saying one living as a homosexual can be a Christian and will still go to Heaven. (Charles Stanley was one of the leading proponents of eternal security, aka OSAS with many claiming he is a modern bible scholar) This is in opposition to what God's Word teaches. Especially when you see these videos of street preachers preaching outside of country music concerts and people coming out of the show are about half drunk (some all the way drunk) and claim they are baptists and born again on their way to Heaven... and when the street preacher corrects them and tells them they are dead in their sins... these self proclaimed "Christians" start cussing at the street preacher. So these folks can fool themselves and fool some people that they are Christians, but they are not fooling the Lord!

This is absolutely true! It's really the whole package Christians should be running the race to obtain where we are believing God's promises, but also recognizing that there are things we can allow to come in to our lives that will choke the Word (God's promises, warnings, and instruction) It's critical that we renew our minds (understanding) to think in terms of "What does the Lord say about this in His Word?" at all times and then... think according to what the Lord says in His Word. We should feed on His Word all the time as in continually thinking about what His Word says, speaking what His Word says, acting on what His Word says, and telling others what His Word says. And we need to always understand that if we sow to the flesh (do sinful things) we shall of the flesh reap corruption which is an immediate open door to the devil to enter our lives and cause evil to happen to us because the result of sin means we are no longer abiding IN Christ. IF we were to sin (should be a very, very rare occurrence for the mature believer), we should ask for forgiveness for our sin, confess it as sin to the Lord (acknowledge we have done wrong) and forsake our sin (stop doing it!) These are all needful things to remain in right standing with the Lord.

Contrary to popular erroneous teaching . . . It's possible for one to get born again and then turn away from the Lord later and the Lord tells them "Depart from Me, I never knew you" even though they were legitimately born again at one point before falling away. Just like when we get saved the Lord remembers our sin no more even though it's still on our record... the flip side is true where when one gets born again and then turns away from the Lord all the good they have done is no longer remembered (getting born again and turning away from out sin is a good work that we are called to see Ephesians 2:10 among others) Here's one place where the Lord says the righteousness a person had done (getting born again) will no longer be remembered. Ezekiel 18:24 (YLT) And in the turning back of the righteous from his righteousness, And he hath done perversity, According to all the abominations That the wicked hath done, he doth -- thus he liveth, All his righteousnesses that he hath done are not remembered, For his trespass that he hath trespassed, And for his sin that he hath sinned, For them he doth die. Sure there are false conversions,. but to say all people that fall away from the Lord were never saved to begin with is simply not true, In Mark 4:13-20 Jesus said that those that later fell away had originally received the Word with gladness. So Jesus is not saying they were never born again as some teach in error. If Jesus said they received the Word with gladness.... then, they received the Word with gladness! But not accepting the plain reading of scripture, many fall in to error.

No, actually it isn't because numerous places in God's Word speaks of Heaven. So, you cannot prove there is no Heaven unless you'd like to claim that some bible verses are lies. No you are deflecting to a different topic. You said there were no horses in Heaven and that Jesus's can't come back on a white horse because the horse doesn't have ground to run on when it's in the sky. So it's settled then... Jesus IS in fact coming back on a white horse because God said He was. Is question is settled, thank you for your participation

Jesus said in Revelation 21:8 the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. So, we know being in fear and being afraid and cowardly is a sin according to Jesus because those doing this will be thrown in to hell. In the story about Job, you'll notice that when the devil is talking to God he mentions that God had placed a hedge of protection around Job which is why the devil could not touch him up till that point. And, in the story you'll notice it says job kept doing the same sacrifice again and again because he was in fear that his children would curse God. (see Job 3:25) This establishes that Job was actually having a sin problem in his life because he was in fear. Because of this sin, satan has a right to come against Job which is why the hedge of protection was removed by the Lord because if we live after the flesh (sin) we reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8) The devil did not even know the hedge was broken until the Lord told the devil was Job was in his hands already and the Lord limited satan so he could not kill Job. Before Jesus Christ went to the cross and was resurrected in victory, the devil had the right to go before the Lord’s throne in Heaven which was based upon the authority God had given to Adam (let man have dominion – see Genesis 1:26-28). After the cross the devil cannot go in to the third Heaven where the Father’s throne is anymore like he used to be able to do under the old covenant, not after Hebrews 9 where Jesus used His own Blood and cleansed the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than those of bulls and goats as under the old covenant. The attack on Job was limited by the Lord and stopped when Job did a sacrifice in faith for his friends which would have been when he got back on track and was no longer in fear and this is when the hedge of protection from the Lord went back up protecting Job and you’ll notice in the story that Job did quite well after that because of the blessing of the Lord. The Lord called Job righteous because the sin Job did by being in fear was something that was done in ignorance at the time. The Lord says in Romans 4:15 where no law is, there is no transgression. Just like Paul found mercy in the eyes of the Lord because his sin was done in ignorance. (1 Timothy 1:13). Since Job was heart right before the Lord and did not have the entire Word of God in his hands to study like we do today, the Lord had mercy on Job and considered him to be a righteous man. The reason being ignorant for us today doesn’t last for very long as a new born babe in Christ is simply because the Lord has provided us with the whole counsel of God in written form and He has sent the Holy Spirit to be out Teacher to lead and guide us in to ALL Truth and take what belongs to Jesus and will show it unto us (John 16:13-15). Jesus said that God’s Word IS Truth (John 17:17) In Luke 12:48, Jesus said For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. More is required of us since the Lord has given us far more to work with than what Job had in his day. Christians are called to “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (James 4:7), and those not doing this will experience what Job experienced because they aren’t abiding IN CHRIST which gives the devil an open door in to their lives due to the hedge of protection the Lord has provided to not be protecting them. The Lord’s protection is only applicable to those that are IN CHRIST

That was definitely a supernatural event where the Father must have made it so those folks could not see Jesus as He walked away from them. If they were seeing Him trying to walk away they would have whacked Him, so the Father had to have done a supernatural thing to protect Jesus in that moment. I've heard of similar testimonies of this like this happening in modern times wear people were able to escape with their lives when facing certain death.

Actually there is... IF one accepts the whole counsel of God. Jesus said in Revelation 21:8 the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. So, we know being in fear and being afraid and cowardly is a sin according to Jesus because those doing this will be thrown in to hell. In the story about Job, you'll notice that when the devil is talking to God he mentions that God had placed a hedge of protection around Job which is why the devil could not touch him up till that point. And, in the story you'll notice it says job kept doing the same sacrifice again and again because he was in fear that his children would curse God. (see Job 3:25) This establishes that Job was actually having a sin problem in his life because he was in fear. Because of this sin, satan has a right to come against Job which is why the hedge of protection was removed by the Lord because if we live after the flesh (sin) we reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8) The devil did not even know the hedge was broken until the Lord told the devil was Job was in his hands already and the Lord limited satan so he could not kill Job. Before Jesus Christ went to the cross and was resurrected in victory, the devil had the right to go before the Lord’s throne in Heaven which was based upon the authority God had given to Adam (let man have dominion – see Genesis 1:26-28). After the cross the devil cannot go in to the third Heaven where the Father’s throne is anymore like he used to be able to do under the old covenant, not after Hebrews 9 where Jesus used His own Blood and cleansed the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than those of bulls and goats as under the old covenant. The attack on Job was limited by the Lord and stopped when Job did a sacrifice in faith for his friends which would have been when he got back on track and was no longer in fear and this is when the hedge of protection from the Lord went back up protecting Job and you’ll notice in the story that Job did quite well after that because of the blessing of the Lord. The Lord called Job righteous because the sin Job did by being in fear was something that was done in ignorance at the time. The Lord says in Romans 4:15 where no law is, there is no transgression. Just like Paul found mercy in the eyes of the Lord because his sin was done in ignorance. (1 Timothy 1:13). Since Job was heart right before the Lord and did not have the entire Word of God in his hands to study like we do today, the Lord had mercy on Job and considered him to be a righteous man. The reason being ignorant for us today doesn’t last for very long as a new born babe in Christ is simply because the Lord has provided us with the whole counsel of God in written form and He has sent the Holy Spirit to be out Teacher to lead and guide us in to ALL Truth and take what belongs to Jesus and will show it unto us (John 16:13-15). Jesus said that God’s Word IS Truth (John 17:17) In Luke 12:48, Jesus said For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. More is required of us since the Lord has given us far more to work with than what Job had in his day. Christians are called to “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (James 4:7), and those not doing this will experience what Job experienced because they aren’t abiding IN CHRIST which gives the devil an open door in to their lives due to the hedge of protection the Lord has provided to not be protecting them. The Lord’s protection is only applicable to those that are IN CHRIST

True, but it doesn't mean we have to stay in that situation and allow someone to continually run over us and do us dirty either. We need to separate ourselves from people as needed to prevent them from doing their evil on us. Some folks you forgive and get away from and pray for them / love them from afar!

Wow and they are totally clueless to their mistake? Really? That must be a baby Christian that is still immature and as such they should not be teaching or leading anybody. Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Besides, a tree cannot produce good fruit and bad fruit (Matthew 7:16-23) so I really doubt it's an "accident" and they toggle between wolf and sheep like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. They are either a sheep or a wolf.

You know, it's OK to use english. Writing stuff in Hebrew does not impress the Lord or anybody else. English is OK with the Lord so gentiles have no requirement or culture considerations to write stuff in Hebrew. But, the deceptive teachings being put forth by the teachers of the law and Pharisees was shutting the kingdom of heaven in men's faces because their deception was turning people away from the Lord.

And the Lord did not give Mary and Martha cancer, burn their house down, put them in a wheel chair, cause them to go broke financially, make them homeless, etc, etc. James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man The Lord is not putting temptations, trials, and testings upon His people that are in any way evil to teach them things. Those that are NOT abiding in Christ, that can be a different story because they are walking in evil. To teach His people... God sent His Word, the Holy Ghost, and He gave apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastors that teach for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:11,12)

Jesus Christi is personally responsible for the content of God's Word being sent to mankind. It's a rumor started by satan claiming men wrote the bible and it is inaccurate and cannot be depended on to be true. From there 'ol slewfoot throws his other parallel rumor out claim "we can't understand the Lord and you just don't know what He's going to do and it's not for us to know much" which is not what God says in His Word. You said "We are not in a position to speak for the Lord. We do not know his mind and he did not authorize us to speak on his behalf... " When that statement is compared to what the Lord says in His Word... it comes up short. I'm speaking of God's Word... the Bible that He sent to mankind that is chocked full of wisdom and knowledge that comes from the Lord. If one does not know God's written word very well, it becomes much easier for the devil to deceive them. Whatever we think we are hearing in the spirit must be compared to God's Word so we can know if we're hearing from the Lord or some devil playing like he's the Lord trying to send us on a wild goose chase. 2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Earth is a copy of Heaven... you may have forgotten Who it is we are talking about... God can manifest anything He wants, anywhere He wants, anytime He wants You said there was no Heaven... and that's not true. Well, maybe some think you're right and God lied about Jesus coming back on a white horse and God just doesn't have the power to pull that off. But, I ain't buying it! You'll have to pardon me as I put God's Word first... Revelation 19:11-14 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Not only is Jesus coming back on a white horse... there are armies that are in Heaven that will be coming back with Him and they're all on horses!

Things God says in His Word that are sin. None the less... God's Word provides lists of things that if one does they shall not inherit His Kingdom. You should check that out and take heed! We are all predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29)... HE is THE model we are to pattern our lives after. Those that are not following the model of Jesus, imitating Him as a dear child imitates his Father (Ephesians 5:1)... ultimately is following the model of the devil which is to be in opposition to the Lord. There are only two sources of information man has access to to follow... the Word of the Lord, and the lies of the devil. The smart ones follow the Lord!

God tells us what He has to say in that Book He published... the Bible! It's grave mistake to believe God has not revealed His Word unto man thru the Teacher Jesus prayed and ask the Father to send... the Holy Ghost! Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof (Correction): behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you. If folks would just turn from their sin unto the Lord and STUDY His Word... the Teacher (Holy Ghost) will start making God's Word known unto them (understanding) The devil is the one who started the rumor that we cannot know what the Lord thinks and what his mind (understanding) is. But we have the mind of Christ! (1 Corinthians 2:9-16) Ephesians 3:17-20 Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love....may be able to comprehend with all Saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height....and to know the love of Christ, which passes knowledge to you, that you might be filled with all the fullness of God....Glory unto Him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Colossians 1:9-14 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that you might be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding....that you might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God....strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness....giving thanks unto the Father, Who has made us able to be partakers of the inheritance of the Saints in light (Glory) ....Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son....in Whom we have redemption through His Blood, even the forgiveness (destruction, removal) of sin. ( forgiveness of our sin is only applicable when we abide, and live IN HIM ) 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. BUT GOD HAS REVEALED THEM TO US BY HIS SPIRIT : for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? BUT WE HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

Actually there many bad things that happen because man is ignorant of God's promises and is not abiding in Christ being led by the Holy Spirit walking in God's Wisdom that can be found in His written Word.. God says His people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6) Many fail to resist the devil by submitting to God so he'll flee (James 4:7) If we walk after the flesh (sin) we shall reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8) and that is an open door to the devil to come in to one's life and steal, kill, and destroy! (John 10:10) God is not allowing bad things to happen willy nilly as though it's His will to cause evil to come upon people. Those who believe that have the Lord confused with the devil. If the Lord is allowing bad things to happen it's because someone is either in disobedience, or they are ignorant of God's promises, and sometimes people let things they have been taught slip and they quit believing for the Lord's protection. Hebrews 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; Don't tell those "reformers" about any of this because they claim we have to do nothing which is a message that makes the devil very happy. We are co-laborers with God (1 Corinthians 3:9) and if we aren't living in submission to the Lord abiding In Christ then that gives the devil an open door to come in to one's life and do his dastardly deeds!

That doesn't specifically say if that is in Heaven or on earth... I get to choose? That's not true... Jesus is seated at God's right hand right now in Heaven. Someday the Father is going to move Heaven to earth God says Jesus is going to come back on a white horse... so either the Lord has animals in Heaven or He will create them as needed for the occasion. Either way, Jesus will come back riding a white house... because God said so and because all things are possible with God.

That's what I've always heard Sounds like the Body of Christ is going to miss the boat and be left out?

You can go on you tube right now and see videos of demon possessed people... that way you can say you have seen this before.

This is why they spend so much investigating what causes planes to crash in order to learn what NOT to do and to fix things that need to be fixed to help it not happen again!