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That passage really doesn't have to do with women pastors.

I have to agree with Tess. I really don't see where anyone was condescending to you, or attacking you personally. I'm sorry you feel this way.

I would definitly suggest reading your Bible, and beliving that, over ANYTHING anyone else tries to teach you.

I have to agree. Entertainment IS entertainment. We can't blame our lack of worshipping God, prayer, reading God's Word, on Entertainment. WE are the ones who choose how we spend our time. I sometimes spend too much time online, or watching tv, etc. But LightLink is right, It is MY fault. I choose how I spend my time. We need to stop passing the buck, and accept some responsibility for our actions.

I agree. You were trying to make us believe your ways of thought, and vice versa. I don't recall any "name calling" and I don't see where you were personally slammed. The truth of the matter is, that when a person says they are a Christian and turns around and openly denies something that God has clearly spoken in HIS WORD, it causes me to question them, or when a person claims God has given a calling, which He clearly doesn't support. I'm sorry you are so offended and feel you need to go. I agree with Suzanne though, The Word is very convicting, and if you truly were comfortable with your ministry calling, and didn't care what we thought about it, why is it upsetting you so much that you have to leave? I don't understand that. Thus far you haven't been able to respond to our questions and the scriptures that have been posted, other than saying you just feel comfortable with your position of authority. I do not wish to be condescending, but I believe as a Christian it IS my place to question another believer when they are saying they believe something the Bible has objected. I haven't tried to be closed minded about this. I truly have sought answers in the past to this question, and studied the verses in context, Koinh Greek, & expositional constancy. Women are clearly not supposed to be in authority over men in terms of church leadership. This command was imperative, not limited to the church that recieved the epistle. The reference to the apostle's reasoning for the command is Eve, the mother of all. If it is because of Eve that women recieve a different role in the church from God, how could her actions possibly limit the effect to the church recieving the epistle. Why would God command that of just that one church? God is unchanging, and for you to say that it is any different 2,000 years later is absurd. I didn't offer my own opinions, I merely stated what our Bible says. As it says, "The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of the Lord stands forever." Therefore any modernistic ism or enlightenment or movement does not change an unchanging God. That means feminism, the women's liberation movement, etc, cannot and must not pervert the purity of God's Word, or His people.

I'm so sorry for your situation. I will definitely keep you in my prayers, and I hope God will work in your husbands life *hugs* God Bless you. In Christ, Deirdre

*agreed*

I attended an Independent Baptist church for almost 10 years. They were strict, and not very warm. I definitely didn't feel the Holy Spirit in that place. I would come home from church more miserable than when I went. The pastor pretty much decided what music was acceptable, the clothing standard was pretty strict. They really looked down on any woman who didn't wear a long dress or skirt to church. When new people came, they rarely came back. They had little to offer teens and kids. The classes were so dull, me and one other friend ended up being the only teens in our teen group. I finally was tired of feeling so spiritually drained, and ended up going to a church my mom and stepdad attended. It was a non denominational church, and I LOVED it. you walk into that church and you can feel the holy Spirit, and people seem to actually care about you. When I left my other church, not one person every contacted me or tried to find out why I left. They just wrote me a letter saying they were going to drop me from the "membership" list, and put me on "inactive" I replied and stated I didn't want to be a member any longer, and that I was attending a different church. I've been to a few different independent baptist churches as well.. most of them were the same as that other church I attended for 10 years.

4 or 5 scriptures isn't enough? I know the context of those verses as well. Women are NOT to be in authority over men. As it is in the family setting, so is it in the church. God would not contradict himself. I would never compare you to a gay person, and neither is anyone else. Someone simple said that it's the same reasoning a person who is gay uses. Anyone could say that God told them to do something or that it's between them or God, but God would NOT and does NOT contradict himself.

Again, Shelby. I apologize for coming across too "non compassionate" I didn't mean to be judgmental or "matter-of-fact" in my posts. I understand other people's points of view, and I shared mine. I feel like with every post I do, that you feel personally attacked by my beliefs. I don't know you, and I'm not judging you personally. My first post was not aimed at you in particular. It was a general summarization. My age must have something to do with it, since you constantly bring it up. I simply stated my opinion and asked questions. I truly fail to see how this is hostile, etc. And therefore I don't see how it has anything to do with my age. I know that I come across alot of times as being very bold in what I say. I really try VERY hard to make sure I don't, I just don't explain myself very well. I'm not finding being married hard for me. I'm better off now, than I ever was, I love being married. People around here would probably agree that I'm sometimes very passionate in my posts, and state clearly what I believe. I believe, and hope that I have improved greatly over the years.(I've been here for quite a while, even though I wasn't registed). I was in chat for several years, before going to the boards, and often found myself being too "bold" on my stance on something. Truth is quite often very offensive to people. Fellow believers shouldn't get offended by scripture. I love truth, and often am not thinking straight about someone's feelings. I'm not trying to force everyone else to believe what I do. I'm simply having a discussion, on a controversial topic. Again, you don't know me, and do not judge my intentions with this post, please. I posted in concern for fellow brothers and sisters. I'm concerned about something like this, because it's the little things that allow false teaching amongst believers. I do not believe women should be in authority roles in the church, such as Minister, or Pastor, etc. The Bible clearly says this. I do not just have an opinion. The Bible backs up that belief. I think I do interpret your posts correctly. You believe it's ok, for women to be pastors, ministers, etc. I do not. You aren't the only one here with this belief, Shelby, and I wasn't aiming anything personally at you. I wasn't judging anyone. I was simply saying what the bible says. If you feel "judged" by that, maybe there is a reason. I will not apologize for sharing what the Bible says.

I'm truly sorry if I seemed unkind. I really don't see how I came across more unkind than anyone else who has talked about this subject, or judgemental. I'm simply stating what the Bible says, and that as Christians we say we believe the whole Bible, yet people still try to make it say what they want. Yes,that is my opinion, but I hardly see how that has to do with my age. You seem to constantly blame everything I believe on my age, and it really has nothing to do with it. I believe what I believe because the Bible says it. You're right, I don't know you personally, but I am judging from what you've said. I'm not saying anyone is going to lose their salvation over this. I'm simply concerned about disagreement with the Bible. I'm glad you are comfortable with your stance with God, and this truly is an issue between you and him. However, instead of answering my questions on this topic, my age has come into play and somehow my age is at fault for my belief that the Bible is true,(also my marriage, at least that is how your post came across to me) Tess did a wonderful job with posting many verses(in context) that have to do with men being in authority. The Bible is full of these kinds of verses, and I am not picking and choosing here. I don't want to question anyone's integrity or heart. But, I will question someone when they say they believe something I sincere believe the Bible has taught against. Especially to fellow believers. Marriage is definitely hard. I am loving being marriage, and enjoying the time I have with my husband. It is something to work at, but we only grow more in love everyday. Restless in my spirit huh? hmm, I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I assure you I feel quite the opposite. I've been able to feel very at peace, and enjoying my relationship with the Lord, especially since my husband and I can spend alot of our time in the Word, and in prayer. (as we did before we were married). Again, I'm not sure where my marriage comes into play here in this post. What does my marriage have to do with the fact that I believe women are not to be ministers, or pastors, as such? In Christ, Deirdre

awww. I just wanted to say that it's so sweet that you're throwing your friend a baby shower! she'll love it! I just wanted to echo what everyone else said. DIAPERS The gift card idea is great! socks burp rags etc. When my mother was preg. she got a cute basket with some nice lotions and things from Bath and Body works, she LOVED It. That would be something nice for the mother, so she can pamper herself a bit, when she's trying to take care of the baby

You need to break it off with this man who is NOT your husband. You need to focus on your husband, and love him. You need to repent of what you know is wrong. You've already said you know you are in the wrong. Just pray, and ask God to make it easy to break it off with the man you are seeing behind your husband's back. If you continue, it will only keep bothering you, and making your life miserable. Praying for you, Deirdre

You ARE twisting scripture if you say that it's a matter between God and each person, when the Bible has clearly stated that those in authority in the church are to be men. I know it's not a salvation issue, but it's still an issue. It is something that I believe God put there for a reason. If you disagree with this, then you are question God's Word. You are saying that God didn't really mean what he said when HE put those verses in our Bibles. I'm sorry if I seemed Judgemental, or offensive to some, but that is what the Bible says. How can you believe that it's ok for women to be pastors, ministers, etc, in a position of authority when the Bible has said otherwise?

Welcome to the boards!

I don't think you are being selfish at all! As a young believer you need to be taught, and under teaching so YOU can grow! And take care of your own families spiritual needs. If you are feeling like you are missing out on something, you need to talk to them. I'm sure they will understand. Blessings, Deirdre

I don't understand how women can twist the bible to make it say what they want, or what THEY think the Bible meant. The Bible is perfectly clear (as I said in a previous post) about the requirements of a pastor, the leader of a church, or deacon. He must be the husband of one wife. Someone PLEASE tell me how a woman can be the husband of one wife.

Oh, btw, do you happen ot have the address of the site you read it on? I would be interested in looking.

I don't think 75% of people there are muslims, but definitely 15-20% Again, I don't live there or anything, but I find it hard to believe that 75% are Muslims.

I disagree with alot of their teachings. It's definitely not for me. It seems legalistic to me. Since, EVERYONE HAS to obey their laws on how to dress, eat, how they live, etc. I don't believe these are things Christ taught us to do, or to be. We need to be evangelizing to the lost, and seeking Christ, and following HIM.

Wow, husbands everywhere are the same, lol. You have a good reason to vent. We all need to vent sometimes. I find myself having to tell my DH, WHY I'm upset, or stressed. He listens to me when I say we can't afford something right now, but the fact that he even suggests buying a new computer game, or (fill in the blank), stresses me out. He grew up in a home where that was the norm, unfortunately. If MY family had bills to pay, we NEVER bought anything we didn't need without getting the bills out of the way first.. his family aren't like that.. they are more likely to go buy something for fun, or spend a bunch for everyone to go out to eat and to the movies than pay their bills first, and I'm having to retrain my husband. He's been wonderful though, and I'm thankful for that. Wow.. my own post has turned into a "vent". Sorry to hijack your thread! Hope you feel better after venting as well

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This is a general discussion board. I think politics are VERY important to a Christians, and we need to vote, discuss politics, etc. I think politics have a place here.

I often find that if I am thinking about, or have something in my head before I go to bed, or from the previous day, my dreams often revolve around it.