Jedi4Yahweh

Your post is confusing. I dont see how you seperate the Church, Tribulation Saints, Jewish Believers, Gentile Believers, etc... All believers, does not matter where your from or what time you lived if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, Jew, Gentile, or Trib.saint you are a part of the body of Christ which is the Church. So if you are a believer during the tribulation that still makes you apart of the body of Christ which makes you apart of the Church. So dont go dividing up the body of Christ because there is only one body of Christ not many bodies of Christ. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. God bless,

Tribulation saints are a part of the church. Sounds like you have been reading to many fiction novals by Tim Lahaye and not enough bible to tell the differance. God does not have two bodys or churchs....There is no other way into the kingdom of heaven except through the body of Christ which is his Church. To say there is another way is to preach a differant gospel. The Church is the bride of Christ. My advice: lay off the fiction books and return to sound doctrine. God Bless.

Thats the same scripture that came to my mind when I was reading this post. People for get that Jesus was also human and that he walked this earth as a mere human and lived and learned like a human and also suffered like a human. So that he could be a true living example of for us to follow after. So after saying all that, Jesus had to learn the scriptures just as we have to learn the scriptures. Even though he is the Son of God he was also the Son of Man. He humbled himself as a man and not as a God.

Please show us clearly where their is two comings of Christ in scripture.

Amen...!!!

Twisting scripture?? He just quoted a whole chapter of the bible. Your problem is not with craig but with believing and excepting God's word. I would have to say that anyone that teach others not to live holy toward God is not only deceived but a deceiver.

Yes.....I really believe this will be the great falling away when Christians who have been taught that they will not see tribulation find themselves in the middle of Great Tribulation. They will feel they have been lied to and reject there belief in God and the Church.

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I have one answer for this question: Mat 10:28-31 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (29) Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. (30) But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. (31) Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. God bless,

Yeah not sure what "This day" means.

Where did you find this scripture and what version of bible did it come from. Not sure what "This day" means but maybe if I can read it in context may then I could.

Okay, you say that Rev 18:4 refers to the "tribulation saints". So we find them described here: Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Rev 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. First of all, these are not just Jews, but from all nations, kindreds and people and tongues. Now as we can see these saints "made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb". Which of course means that they were saved through the power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Now using your eschatology, the "saints of God" shall NOT suffer the "great tribulation", so Rev 7:14 is a lie. Paul has set forth the "process" of salvation: Romans 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! So without anyone on this earth evangelizing since your eschatology says there won't be any Christian left, you also prove the above to be a lie. and I suppose according to your eschatology the following MUST be a lie as well: Luke 15:4-6 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? 5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. In the furthest reaches of my soul, I just can't imagine our Lord visiting this earth and leaving EVEN "ONE" of His sheep behind, let alone MULTITUDES BEYOND COUNT. If you could just show me ONE verse that says Jesus is going to LEAVE BEHIND any of His saints, you would make me most happy. Oh, I forgot, the "tribulation saints" don't get to KNOW they are "saved from God's wrath (great tribulation), now do they? If they DID, then they would be calling God a liar now, wouldn't they? The rest of the Bible MUST NOT apply to them as well. Blessings, Dad Ernie Amen Ernie some people just dont want to hear the truth. They want to hear something that will tickle their ears.

Have you attained this sin-free status? Does this mean that you're continually forgiven by the grace of God, or does it mean that you are so righteous that you don't sin in the first place? No I have not attained a sin-free status but I can say I am sinless and believe its possible to become sin-free if we live by the Spirit. But there is a war going on and the Flesh wants to sin and my spirit wants me to live Sin free. The problem is crucifing my flesh so that may live by the Spirit instead of my fleshly desires..

Completely taken out of context...Paul is not saying that a man that is re-born can not live sin free. What Paul is saying is that we all have sinned thats why we need to be re-born of the Spirit so that we can live a sin free life. 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. What part of repent do you not understand??

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Maybe that is why they use the moon in their symbol of worship.

Yeah your right, far to much time is spent on why we should not believe God rather then why we should believe God. New testement is a covenant based on having faith in God. Faith is not a one time thing, it's believing God in all things at all times. This is why we are called believers. Its because we believe God not doubt God.

Exactly bro......There is no three persons of God there is only one person of God in three divine natures.

Amen Pastor*Paul Thank you for the testimony of God's healing power. All we must do is believe and stand on Gods word. Even when all things look hopeless...still believe and it will be! It's is God's Will to Heal! Didn't mean to sound like Jessie Jackson or nuttin. LOL