Kansasdad

the problem with Scripture Only having its own authority is, The authority is certainly there, but there is no way of using or applying that authority to the faithful when a conflict arises. Under the Scripture Only system, there can be no definitive, universal, and binding settlement over those who do not share any particular scripture only's view (unless there exists an authority outside of Scripture to apply its view). In essence, if you cannot appropriate the authority of Scripture to yourself to the exclusion of someone else, then that other person has the same 'right' and 'power' to wield the authority of that same Scripture against you. The system of Scripture Only cannot come to a resolution on doctrinal matters while the system (Ecclesia Dei - ED) ( ecclesiatical office of its church) can and does do so. The bible is (at least) a source of each system. Under Scripture Only, the denominational filter is fractured and divided. The boundary starts to split because of all of the opposing voices and the absence of an adhesive to keep them together. These voices unrestrainedly pull the boundaries in opposite directions, causing the whole system

Might it have something to do with the waist-line? Hey my waist line is in beautiful shape........................................a beautiful round shape. Round is a shape too you know

Just a point of clarification. This was one persons comment, not the teaching of the church. I understand part of what he is saying, We all try to put God in a box, and in part we do this through a name. So in a very real sense the name we use is meaningless. Two people can use the same name and have totally different concepts associated. I think this is where this Bishop is flawed in his thinking. This kind of "doublespeak" would only lead to confusion. God Bless, K.D.

Excellent job Speaker!

Yes, I agree. At least we knew where we stood with them. They followed the conventional practices of warfare. The best man won. Today's terrorist techniques are 'dirty' techniques. They care nothing for the lives of innocent civilians....women and children....or even their own lives in their twisted idealogy. Bring back conventional warfare. We will beat them fare and square...............or not But at least it would be a fair, clean, and honourable fight. If your child was killed by a Russian or a Muslim Is he less dead? That is the problem we have, we try to make War an honorable thing. The object of War is to kill enough people to make the other side stop fighting. Dead is dead. If a nation goes to War they should go in knowing that people will die, including women and children, and if the reward for that death is not worth killing people over, then don't go to war. If it is, then you don't need to apologise.

I think part of the problem is there are different understandings of evolution. One (simplified) version deals with the changing of species adapting through evolution to a stronger species. The other version tries to take evolution back to creation. This is the primeval soup theory, where non-living randomly creates life. This is the part of evolution that fails miserably, both scientifically and spiritually. Understanding Genesis in figurative language we see that indeed there was a process. God didn't just create it all at once. Why not. If you are going to create it in 6 days, why not just create it all at once. Because that is not what Genesis tells us. Creation was a process, God created the first step and then time passed, what is time to God, how absurd to try and measure it by our understanding. After some time, God created the nest step and then more time passed. It is a beautiful illustration showing how God created the universe. It was by his design, every little step. Science does not disprove God, Rather, Science continually reveals his glory. God Bless, k.D.

They called over the weekend , They were on vacation. Circumstance caused them to be late coming back or they would have been coming back over the bridge. God bless, K.D.

We lived in St. Paul for two years and I drove to Minneapolis every day across that bridge. We have very good friends that live in Minneapolis. we have called them and left a message on their phone. We have not heard from them yet. Please keep them in your prayers. Hopefully they are at a lake or something. God Bless, K.D.

Who would have guessed......Male....and hey we are now at 2-1 we are gaining 2-1 is pretty good for me, in my profession it is about 20-1 female. God Bless, Kansas Dad

You're not helping my crisis, forrest!! I'm so stunned I'm still laughing about it, followed by crying about it. Come on Marnie, I need an intervention!! I think you said you went to Baylor. Maybe its just peer pressure as to why you became a Republican, as it looks like you are a true Democrat at heart. Don't worry about it, Liberals are much more hip and cool than conservatives are anyway... Yes and they dress prettier too.....Oh and the ladies dress nice as well

For the non-computer savy, would you mind explaining how to do this? As the computer is booting up you will need to hit one of the F1-12 buttons. It is probably different for each computer. After you find the right F button, there is a screen that will give you different options for completing the boot up. Choose the option to boot in safe mode. Once in safe mode go to your start button, find your antivirus program and run the program. Once it is completed reboot normally. You can probably google "safe mode" and find a little better instructions. Sorry it has been awhile since I have done this. last time I had a virus in fact. Learned this trick from researching it on the net. God Bless, K.D.

I found this article which I think is excellent. sorry I don't know the author God placed the husband at the head of the family to lead, guide and inspire it - not as a dictatorial monster, but as a loving authority whose wife and children are the highest priority of his life. God created marriage when He created Adam and Eve. Neither of the first humans was complete without the other. Together a man and wife become a team - two people, making one new and complete unit. God says of marriage, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24). Yet, as in any other facet of life, there has to be leadership. Even in the Family of God, the Father is over Jesus Christ , who is the Son. Christ is subject to God in everything. But they live in perfect harmony and unity. God is the perfect Father and executes His leadership with unfailing love. But does anyone doubt that He is in charge? Christ is Head of the Church. He presides over it with equally deep concern and love. In fact, the spiritual analogy in the Bible shows that Christ's relationship with the Church will be like a marital relationship. Notice how the Bible describes the coming of Christ: "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife [the church] has made herself ready' (Revelation 19:7). The relationship of Christ, in God's Kingdom, to spirit-born saints will be as a husband to a wife. Most of us have no fears of submitting to Christ. We know He is filled with love, that He is not a harsh dictator, that we will have an eternal relationship. If the husbands would pattern their leadership and loving authority after that of Jesus Christ, women would never feel abused and rejected. Sad to say, throughout most of human history, few men have patterned their relationship after that great example. But you can. God Bless, K.D.

Also a good idea is to run your virus program while in safe mode. One more pesky trick one needs to do. God Bless, K.D.

OH so the teacher is in charge not the children..........What a concept Wow we do think alike....scarry

Actually I fit that description very well

Hey you scored just as confused as I did, Guess that means we are independents, both democrat and republican....but John Kerry....ouch God Bless, K.D.

As you can see I don't fit in a box very well......the survey can't decide if I am a republican or democrat...He he...that's funny Your scored 1 on the Moral Order axis and -1 on the Moral Rules axis. Matches The following items best match your score: System: Conservatism Variation: Moderate Conservatism Ideologies: Capital Republicanism US Parties: Republican Party, Democratic Party Presidents: Gerald Ford (90.12%) 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (81.78%), George W. Bush (75.00%), Ralph Nader (67.83%) Statistics Of the 342639 people who took the test: 0.7% had the same score as you. 49% were above you on the chart. 44.3% were below you on the chart. 23% were to your right on the chart. 71.2% were to your left on the chart.

What? The women were weeping and praying to Tamuz which was basically a fertility god and they cried out to it in prayer instead of the one and true living God like Hannah did when she was barren she prayed in the temple. But all of this was allowed by the priest to go on in the temple as the priesthood was all males and the temple was defiled by their wickedness. First off I made no guesses whatsoever at what scriptures exrockstar was thinking about and I want to make that very clear here. Do you not see unrulyness going on in the house of God in any of this. In the book of 1 Samuel you can read where Eli's two sons Hophni and Phenhas where doing wickedness in the house of God and they were priests in the temple and they was sleeping with the women who came out to the temple and doing all kinds of wickedness you can read about. The rulers of the temple were males so for any wickedness to go on in the temple it had to be allowed by the priest. And Eli didn't correct his two sons but allowed them to continue to do wicked things and he was judged for it. You see in God's house there has always been order but if we don't abide by the plan of God both men and women in God's designed order then both the men and women when they come to the house of God will be praying and worshipping who knows what in their hearts and not worshipping God in the manner that He has given to us to follow in His order in the word. OC It is all part of the bigger picture where scripture supports scripture. This is absolutely relevant to the topic and is an example of exactly what the other verses were talking about. I also agree that much of the responses are just confusing and seem to have nothing to do with the topic. Thank you for keeping it on track. God Bless, K.D.

Yes, Oops you were making that comparison or else you would have nothing to so call correct. You are not very good at correcting. OC Just to clarify it was K.D. in post #35 that made the comparison. This thread is confusing enough. Nice to know who said what when we can find it. And this was my response:

Lets really look to what the church fathers said,

I did not intend to sound irritated, it was not my intention at all, often I think faster than I can type. God Bless, K.D.