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Can Christians Lose their Salvation? This is the most important question Christians can ask, because their eternal soul may depend on it! The greatest deception which has been devised by Satan that has been accepted by a large number of Christians is the false doctrine of "once saved, always saved." This doctrinal theory assumes once a person is saved that there is nothing he or she could ever do to lose his or her salvation. Even if he should become fruitless and commit the grosses sins, this creed teaches that he is still saved. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reason so many American Christians believe this lie is because of the undo influence John Calvan had over European Christianity. (And, of course, Europe influenced America.) Calvin was the first to popularize the concept that all Christians will persevere to the end. Although God definitely promises to do his part to keep us saved to the end, this does not mean that we do not have a part to play. God promises eternal security, but not unconditional eternal security. Nearly all God's promises are conditional; that is, they are dependent in part on us for their fulfillment. WHAT DOES THE BIBLE TEACH? It is important that we go to the Bible

Nobody is playing us. 2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> thanks for your help to know the truth YOU ARE REALY GOOOOOOD MAN

According to John l:1 Jesus is God. Then how many Gods are there? Two at least. This contradicts many passages in the Bible: Deuteronomy 4:39: "... that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else"; Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord", (Isaiah 43:10-11): "... that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no savior"; (Isaiah 44:6): "Thus saith the Lord ... I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God"; (Isaiah 45:18): "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Long before Jesus was born, God said to David (Psalms 2:7): "I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me [David]: 'Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee."' So David is also God's begotten son. The meaning of "Son of God" is not literal but metaphorical. It can be anyone who is beloved by God. Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your Father (Matthew 5:45, 48

According to John l:1 Jesus is God. Then how many Gods are there? Two at least. This contradicts many passages in the Bible: Deuteronomy 4:39: "... that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else"; Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord", (Isaiah 43:10-11): "... that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no savior"; (Isaiah 44:6): "Thus saith the Lord ... I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God"; (Isaiah 45:18): "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."

According to John l:1 Jesus is God. Then how many Gods are there? Two at least. This contradicts many passages in the Bible: Deuteronomy 4:39: "... that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else"; Deuteronomy 6:4: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord", (Isaiah 43:10-11): "... that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no savior"; (Isaiah 44:6): "Thus saith the Lord ... I am the first, and I am the last, and beside Me there is no God"; (Isaiah 45:18): "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else."

what do you mean by son pls we are all son of god or only jesus is son of god pls let me know that <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sam, Jesus is "the only begotten of the Father." Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. So, Jesus is the Son of God because He was directly begotten of the Father. Christians are children (sons and daughters) of God by adoption. Big difference: Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: We are simply adopted into the family of God. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> SO HE IS NOT GOD ,HE IS SON OF GOD

also what do you mean by god did jesus say that "HE IS GOD",AND IF THE ANSWER IS YES, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE

what do you mean by son pls we are all son of god or only jesus is son of god pls let me know that

hi guys , where are you i am here to know the Truth anybody here to lead me to the route

ok let us find the routh to the truth. thanks for your good words. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean the Route to the truth? Its here...somewhere, but you must be willing to listen and have an open mind, and from what I have seen briefly, you are neither. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i am ready to hear the truth ,but must be clear and logical.

ok let us find the routh to the truth. thanks for your good words.

why you calling me that this is not fair, you did not answer me anyway ,thansk alot

hi guys, I am sure of my own belief as a Christian but I would also like to know more about my religion. I sometimes feel ridiculed as a Christian cant answer some questions. I appreciate your sentiments.However,I want to be sure that you are really interested in learning the truth before I continue.

HI, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHERE....!!!!! SHOM ME THE VERSES PLS WE WILL READ IT TOGEHER ,IF YOU DONT MIND Excuse me!!!! As you said THESE ARE FACTS... Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"? Yes He did. If you read the gospels (have you read them?) you will see over and over again where Jesus does clearly tell the Jews that He is God. It is why the Jews tried to stone Him time and time again. I answered your questions. Would you please tell me who Jesus is to you? I would like to know. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

PART ONE c TESTAMENT ONE Bible has two parts. One is Testament ONE (39 Books) and the other is Testament TWO (27 Books). Now we will briefly go through few of the errors, contradictions, improbabilities and incompatibilities in Testament One. The very first chapter of Bible has eight glaring inaccuracies from today

Trinitarian Christians claim that since Jesus was called "Son of GOD", then this would make him the Creator of the Universe Himself. This is a great blasphemy, because this belief holds no concrete ground what so ever!. You do not call someone GOD Almighty Himself from a conclusion, especially when it easily can be refuted. Many people before Jesus were called "Sons of GOD" in the Bible. Let us look at few of them: 1- Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Israel was GOD's Son before Jesus since Israel is the "first born". Does this make Israel divine? 2- Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim is another name for Israel. 3- Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Since GOD Almighty chose David to be His begotten Son, does this make David divine too? 4- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' " Again, "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6. Note: The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL! The "Son of GOD" title that was given to Jesus wasn't the only title for him. Jesus was also called "Son of David." Keep in mind that Jesus came at least 1,000 years after King David. Jesus was also called "Son of Man". See Matthew 1:1, Matthew 9:27, Matthew 12:23, Matthew 15:22, Matthew 20:30-31, Matthew 22:42, and many other verses. Is the Man whom Jesus was called his son (possibly David) divine? Is David divine since Jesus is his Son? How come Christian Roman Catholics have created the Theological Science of Maryology, and never created the Theological Science of Davidology? I mean think about it, if Jesus the "Almighty GOD" was called "Son of David", then shouldn't this make David a divine person, since he is one from the many billions that GOD created in this world? Jesus was called: Son of GOD Son of David Son of Man Why consider Jesus as the actual biological Son of GOD, when the same expression was used for King David being Jesus' Father who existed 1,000 years before Jesus? Why can't "Son of GOD" that was used for Jesus be just an expression just like the "Godly" titles and "Son of GOD" expressions that were used for others before Jesus as well as shown above?

Excuse me!!!! As you said THESE ARE FACTS... Did Jesus ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God"? From Sheikh Ahmed Deedat's work; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: Let us look at John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are One." This verse is severely misunderstood and is taken out of context, because beginning at verse John 10:23 we read (in the context of 10:30) about Jesus talking to the Jews. In verse John 10:28-30, talking about his followers as his sheep, he states: "...Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father who gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are One." These verses prove only that Jesus and the Father are one in that no man can pluck the sheep out of either's hand. It does not at all state that Jesus is God's equal in everything. In fact the words of Jesus, " My Father, who gave them me is Greater than ALL...," in John 10:29 completely negates this claim, otherwise we are left with a contradiction just a sentence apart. All includes everyone even Jesus. Also let us look at verse John 17:20-22 "That the ALL may be made ONE. Like thou Father art in me, I in thee, that they may be ONE in us. I in them, they in me, that they may be perfect in ONE". In this verse, the same word ONE used, the Greek, HEN is used, not only to describe Jesus and the Father but to describe Jesus, the Father and eleven of the twelve disciples of Jesus. So here if that implies equality, we have a unique case of 13 Gods. Of the verse in question, "I and the Father are One" in (John 10:30), we also need to take note of the verses following the 30th verse in the text. In those verses, the Jews accuse Jesus falsely of claiming to be God by these words. He however replies, proving their accusation wrong by their own text: "The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33). Jesus replies to this accusation saying: "Jesus answered them, 'Is it not written in your Law, "I said ye are gods. If He can call them gods, unto whom the word of God came, say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, "Thou blasphemeth," because I said I am the son of God?'" (John 10:34-36). Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God. Question: In John 10:30 Jesus says, "I and the Father are one [hen]." Doesn't this show that they are one in essence? This statement does not suggest either a dual or triune deity. What John's Jesus meant by the word hen ("one") becomes clear from his prayer concerning the apostles: "That they may be one [hen], just as we are one [hen]" (John 17:22), which means that they should be united in agreement with one another as he (Jesus) is always united in agreement with God, as stated: "I [Jesus] always do the things that are pleasing to Him [God]" (John 8:29). There is thus no implication that Jesus and God, or the twelve apostles are to be considered as of one essence.

i am sure that this bible is not words of God and also it is not aholy book. Read what Luke said about his recording in 1:2-3. If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you still believe that the Bible is God's word?

because a holy scripture is a revelation from God. Therefore, it should be impossible that mistakes or conflicting verses could be found in it. There are many conflicting verses in it. In both Testaments. These are some of them: II Samuel 8:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen ... I Chronicles 18:4 And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen ... Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand? I Samuel 10:18 And the Syrians fled before Israel, and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach, the captain of their host, who died there. I Chronicles 19:18 But the Syrians fled before Israel, and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach, the captain of their host. Q. Seven hundred chariots or seven thousand men? Forty thousand horsemen or footmen? Shobach or Shophach? II Kings 8:26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. II Chronicles 22:2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. . Q. Twenty-two or forty-two years? II Kings 24:8 Jehoiachim was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. II Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachim was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem. Q. Eighteen years or eight years? Three months or three months and ten days? II Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say: "Go, number Israel and Judah." I Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. Q. Is Satan the Lord of David? May God forbid it II Samuel 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death. II Samuel 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah, whom she bore unto Saul, Arrnoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzilai the Meholthite. Q. Did Michal have children or not? Note: The name Michal in II Samuel 21:8 is still present in The King James version and The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah's Witnesses, but has been changed to Merab in The New American Standard Bible (1973 These are only some of the contradictions in the New Testament. You will find more if we discuss the truth of such doctrines of modern Christianity as the Trinity, the divinity of Jesus Christ, the divine sonship of Jesus, Original Sin and Atonement, not to mention the biblical accounts of many prophets engaging in degrading activities: worshipping false gods and committing incest, rape, and adultery. please answer all these Qs..

Early Christians rejected Trinity. They also had major problems and disagreements about who truly Jesus was and whether or not he got crucified or not: Early Christians rejected Trinity: The following was sent to me by brother Fikirman; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him. Muslims are not the only ones who believe that Jesus is mortal and not a god so that means they deny the trinity. The Jews also reject the trinity, in addition to the very first groups of Christianity such as the Ebonites, the Corinthians, the Basilidians, the Capocratians, and the Hypisistarians never know about trinity doctrine at all. The Arians, Paulicians and Goths also accepted Jesus as a prophet of God and against the trinity. Even in the modern age there are churches in Asia, in Africa, the Unitarian church, the Jehovah's witnesses, and even the majority of today's Anglican Bishops do not worship Jesus as one in three, as what been report by the "Daily News" 25/6/84 under the heading "Shock survey of Anglican Bishops." Moreover, the 'Socinianism', the 17th-century Christian also rejects such traditional doctrines as the Trinity and original sin, the founder is Socinus, and his Latinized name of Lelio Francesco Maria Sozzini (1525-1562), the Italian Protestant theologian. Johannes Greber (1874) a former of Catholic priest in his book 'The Communication with the Spirit World of God' in page 371 was written, "As you see, the doctrine of a triune Godhead is not only contrary to common sense, but is entirely unsupported by the Scriptures". So another priest who was deny the trinity. A theologians, Edouard Schillebeeckx of the Netherlands in 1979 was writings some article that rejects the doctrine of the Trinity. This caused concern to the Vatican. Question to Trinitarian Christians: Why, for thousands of years, did none of God's prophets teach his people about the Trinity? At the least, would Jesus not use his ability as the Great Teacher to make the Trinity clear to his followers? Would God inspire hundreds of pages of Scripture and yet not use any of this instruction to teach the Trinity if it were the "central doctrine" of faith? arly Christians, especially during the 2nd century, had major disagreements and problems with each others about the identity of Jesus and whether or not he got crucified:

If a holy book contains conflicting verses, do you still consider it holy? ????????????????????????

If a holy book contains conflicting verses, do we still consider it holy?