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  1. Not a problem! ************************************************************** I'll just say this, Franky - I've grown up under the influence of the Charasmatic movement, and I've heard many, many testimonies and stories. Have you ever heard the ones where the same people in the same faith can pray for healing over people in their group, and sometimes a person is healed and sometimes a person is not? You see, the Lord uses suffering in our lives to work His character into us. This is Scriptural. Do you know the Scripture I refer to? Believe it or not, sometimes the suffering the Lord has working in our lives is physical illness. I know this because I have heard many testimonies of this occuring. This is the problem with the "name it claim it" crowd - they don't like suffering of any kind. They are such a "bless me" club. The Lord wants you healthy and rich and beautiful.... That's not the heart of the Gospel. If you seek the comfy life here on Earth, you will miss out on the treasures of Heaven. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi again, neb All true, I just feel that I should err on the side of over believing rather than under believing. If your last statement is true, and I think it is, I should be overendowed with treasure. I do name His blessings, and claim them. ex, 'Abundant life" I had all the suffering I want when I was a heathan. God bless
  2. I believe faith is believing the word of God in our heart as well as in our mind. God says that without faith, it is impossible to please Him. Therefore, some of the responsibility for our faith must be ours.
  3. The word for bless in this passage, is "barakh" and means to kneel. It does not mean to kneel in submission or subjugation, but rather to enrich. It is not a promise of Divine health as used in this passage, but refers to something much greater. It is promise to both Abraham, and world that those who seek to do good to his descendents, will have the favor of God upon their lives. That may mean that God blesses you with healing or a good high paying job as a reward, but it does not guarantee it. God promises blessing, but does not promise the specific form that blessing will take. God's blessings are never partial, Deut. 28 pretty well covers all of them. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee. Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD. (Genesis 13:14-18) Again, this is a promise God made to Abraham and his flesh and blood descendents, and not one that you can take unto yourself. Also, there is no universal principle being established. Abraham was a rich man, but nowhere does the Bible promise riches equivalent to Abraham. Galatians 3:14 says that in Christ, Abraham's blessing might come to the gentiles Deut, 8:17,18 God is the one who gives the power to make wealth. This is not limited to Abraham, but it is for His seed And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. (Genesis 15:13-15) Abraham lived to be an old man. You cannot apply this to yourself and claim it for your own. Have you not read Fox's book of martyrs? Have you not read how the apostles of our Lord were killed for their testimony of Christ? Even Paul was beheaded. Read 2 Corinthians 11 how that Paul was beaten, imprisoned, starved, stoned and left for dead. How many saints down through the ages had their lives taken prematurely as they spread the gospel throughout the world. Sorry, but again, there is no principle of long life being established for us in this passage. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. (Genesis 17:1-9) And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I swore unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Genesis 26:2-5) And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake. And he built an altar there, and called upon the name of the LORD, and pitched his tent there: and there Isaac's servants digged a well. (Genesis 26:24-25) And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not. (Genesis 28:13-16) The above passages establish the Land of Israel as the permanent possession of the children of Israel forever. They have nothing to do with perpetual health or healing or prosperity. They cannot be applied to believers today as the "Name it and Claim it" crowd applies them. These texts merely show the Jewish people's right to their historic homeland by Divine decree. The fulness of God's covenant is forever In the last three passages, God is simply passing on to Isaac what he promised to Abraham. God is honoring the Covenant he made with Abraham in chapter 15. There is no universal application being applied here. Galatians ch 3, again And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padan-aram, and blessed him. And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land. (Genesis 35:9-12) And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him. (Genesis 35:29) Isaac was Abraham's offspring, and as such He inherited the blessings These are statements of biblical fact, and are not anything that you can apply to yourself. It is a tragic misuse of the Scriptures to teach others that since Abraham and Isaac died of old age, that we can expect the same thing. I have more to say about this sloppy unspiritual handling of the Scriptures at the end of this post. If you are in Christ, you are Abraham's offspring , heirs according the promise These promises made were not based upon the covenant God made with Abraham. God already fulfilled what he said to Abraham when he brought the Children of Israel out of Egypt. The promises of Exodus 23 were conditional upon their obedience. God did not say the promises were their's because of the blood of the Lamb on the doorpost. He did not say the promises were theirs because of Abraham. The blessings in those promises were were contingent solely upon their compliance with God's laws, and their abstinence from any type of idolatry. see concluding statemant The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them. Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he swore unto thy fathers: And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he swore unto thy fathers to give thee. Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle. And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee. (Deuteronomy 7:7-15) The night befere they left Egypt, they ate the flesh of the Passover lamb, and Psalms 105:37 says they left Egypt without even one feeble among them, More than one million, healed by the Passover Lamb, Jesus is our Passover Lamb, He said , "Eat my flesh, and drink My blood". In the communion passages, it says, many were sick and some died because they did not discern the body of Christ as broken for them. Again, there is no mention of the blood of the lamb. If healing were connected with blood, then God would have made healing contingent upon blood in the OT. He would have said, because of the blood of the Lamb sacrificed at Passover, the Children of Israel are herby blessed with perpetual good health and each person will live to old age. God makes no such promise to them. In this case as in prior passages, healing and prosperity were conditional. They were conditional upon obedience. In Christ, we are obedient, if we keep His commandments, to Love God, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth. But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he swore unto thy fathers, as it is this day. (Deuteronomy 8:17-18) Well it interesting because this verse is predicated by the following verses in this chapter: All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD swore unto your fathers. (Deuteronomy 8:1) Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. (Deuteronomy 8:6) Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day: (Deuteronomy 8:11) And it is followed by these verses: And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish. As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God. (Deuteronomy 8:19-20) Again, blessing was conditional upon obedience. We are obedient, if we are in Christ, and therefore we qualify. As for Deut 28:2-14... You conveniently left out verse 1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: (Deuteronomy 28:1) We qualify in Christ The blessings that follow are spoken to Israel as a nation and NOT to them as individuals. Furthermore it has nothing to do with atonement, as that is not mentioned as the basis for the blessings in verses 2-14. It is obedience. It is so typical for your crowd to want to claim the blessings, but not the responsibilities that the blessings are contingent upon. You want the blessings just because you are a Christian. It doesn't work that way. Galatians 3 says it does work that way. A nation is what, if not individuals? A Psalm of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. (Psalms 103:1-5) About whom does the Psalmist write? The verses that follow tell us: For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. (Psalms 103:11) Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. (Psalms 103:13) But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them. (Psalms 103:17-18) Again we see blessing is connected to obedience. Gal. 3 O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people. Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him: talk ye of all his wondrous works. Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD. Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore. Remember his marvelous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth; O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen. He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth. He hath remembered his covenant forever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: (Psalms 105:1-10) Again, this applies to Israel, not to the Church. It is not a universal statement, but is recalling God's faithfulness to the covenant he made with Abraham. Gal. 3 He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! (Psalms 107:20-21) This is not promise to heal everyone. Nor is any mention made of an atonement. In Christ' Atonement, He took our infirmities, ad carried away our diseases, Matt. 8:17 I am not sure what you are getting out of Malachi 3:1. It talks about the messenger of the covenant, but that is pretty much it. Malachi 3:10 deals with be blessed, but again it is talking to national Israel. Again, Jesus is our messenger of the covenant, He confirms the promises made to the fathers. romans 15:8,9 As for the verses of Luke 1, you simply don't have anything there to claim. In Mary's Magnificat, she said God's mercy is upon generation after generation to those who fear Him. Through Jesus, in her womb, God has given help to Israel, in rememberance of His Covenant, as He spoke to Abraham, and his offspring forever. Then, also, as Mary, John the Baptist' father knew why Jesus came, He said God has redeemed His people, and has raised up a horn of salvation. He has sent His Messiah to show mercy to our fathers, and to remember His Holy Covenant, the oath which He swore to Abraham, our father. All through scripture, Jesus is the fulfillment of God's ultimate plan for His people. You cannot just grab verses and "claim" them. There is nothing Scriptural about that. When studying Scripture you must look at who the author is speaking to. Promises that are made to Israel are to Israel. Are we not Grafted in? 1. Nothing in the passages you provided give us any indication of a universal blessing being pronounced 2. None of the passages you provided speak of atonement being the source of the blessings. For you to say that healing is in the atonement as a present day manifestation, you would have to demonstrate that healing was in the atonement in OT times. You can't. In EVERY single cases where a definitive promise of healing or prosperity is made, it is coupled with the condition of obedience. I would also like to point out that healing is one of the spiritual gifts mentioned in 1 Cor. 12:9. If healing were in the atonement there would be no need for any such gift. If healing were in the atonement as a present day manifestation, it could only come through the same avenue through which salvation comes. You don't see any mention of the "gift of salvation." That would be heretical. It is salvation in the sense of justification/spiritual regeneration that comes through the blood of Jesus. I believe the gift of healing is a special anointing to believers to pray for the sick, I don't believe it takes from God's promise to be our Jehovah Rapha. Healing DOES come with salvation. Furthermore, I have heard Kenneth Hagin speak on a number of occasions when I was in Tulsa, since my roommate played Hagin tapes all the time. According to Hagin, unforgiveness will block healing, and prosperity. How can that be if healing is based upon the blood of Jesus. It cannot be argued both ways. If healing is based upon the shed blood of Jesus, then it cannot based upon obedience as well. Regarding unforgiveness, Matt. 6:15 says if we don't forgive, then we won't be forgiven. Is there such a thing as a saved person who God has not forgiven? If healing is part of Salvation, then Healing, also is not manifested without forgiveness. I believe that healing is the atonement in the sense that we are promised a resurrected body free of disease, infirmity and any kind of malady. It is not guaranteed to us as a present day manifestation. Healing is at the sole discretion of God. It is not for me to say why this or that person is not healed. I wish I knew why. I DO know that God, even if he does not always heal us, never leaves or forsakes us. It is sometimes in our weakness that God is made strong. He told Paul, "My grace is sufficient for thee. For my strength is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 129) By that Christ meant that His strength is illustrated, or made manifest when God is able to accomplish his work through us in our weakness. It was in the weakness of Sarah's and Abraham's bodies that Isaac was born. It was in the weakness of the Children of Israel and Moses, that God's power was displayed. In the flesh, David did not stand a chance in front of Goliath, but God gave him the victory anyway. Paul was short, skinny, bald headed old man beaten tortured and pretty treated as the offscouring of the earth. He was always broke being led from one prison to another, never knowing where his next meal would come from, or when it come. He, by all outward appearances had no blessing in his life. Yet God worked through him to reach most of the known world at that time with gospel. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is God a respecter of persons? I believe that God does nothing for His people with respect to blessings outside His Covenant, and since the cross, He does nothing except through Christ, the messenger of His covenant.
  4. No, I meant this one: Sorry for my lack of skills on the forum, I guess I need to practice. My comments will be in red <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
  5. Every other use of the phrase "thorn in the side, or eye", is used to denote an irritation, or like, pain in the neck so to speak. Also Paul said it was a messenger of Satan. How could a messenger be a disease? And how does a disease buffet one? Some translations use the word "he", in referring to paul's thorn
  6. Dear Tess, I didn't ignore what you posted, I answered them, I don't believe Paul's thorn was a physical illness. I gave you many scriptures which I believe says God's will is for us to be free of sickness, and live a good long life just like Abraham did. I won't repeat them here again, you can go back up the thread and find them, Tell me, who does Matthew 8:17 apply to? , if not you. You may have seen the "Passion", I don't know, but do you believe God put that scourging on our Lord Jesus for NOTHING? My reason for posting this was not to convince you of anything, but just to see how other Christians believe about the Role of Christ in God's overall plan. Read back through the 4 Gospels, keeping in mind what Jesus went about doing, which was defeating the works of the Devil. Read again the many times He healed, and how many times He said "your faith has made you whole". And then read His words "When you have seen Me, you have seen the Father" "Thy will be done, ON EARTH, as it is in Heaven. God Bless you
  7. Hi Eric, Just thought I would reply. I kinda lost track of who said what to who in this thread, but I noticed you only had one input, to classify my thoughts as over realized eschatology. I know I must have come across that way in some of my replys, but I hope my original quote doesn't come across that way, because I just wanted to bring home the fact that how the King James version of Isaiah had the words "griefs, and sorrows", and how Matthew translated them sickness and disease., and how we tend to pick up on these things to justify the fact that healing today is not as common as salvation. And yet during Jesus' ministry, it was JUST as common. It's just that Salvation can't be seen, and healing , or lack of it, can be seen, and as a result, we pray for salvation of a person's soul, and Amen, it's done, period. But we pray for healing, and nothing happens, we begin to make excuses. God meant for this one to suffer for His(God's) glory God has this one sick to teach him a lesson God's Sovereignty is being shown here, He will heal him at His timing. Paul had a thorn that God refused to heal. etc, etc, I see the scriptures as something I can depend on, and if, for instance, He says in Matt. 8:17, "He, Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases." Then I'm going to just believe what God says, and pray for the sick. That's my part in the equation, God's part is to fulfill His word. but I don't think we should make new theology just because we fail to see results. I quote from a forward in F.F, Bosworth's book, "Christ The Healer" "Fundamental Christianity has suffered great damage through the efforts of some theologians to excuse their own spiritual impotence through relegating everything supernatural into an imaginary transition period of dispensational truth which cannot be scripturally proven. It can only be substantuated through their own interpretation of isolated passages, and is perpretated through blind traditionalism not unlike that which Christ faced. Yet deep within the hearts of sincere men is the longing to rescue the book of Acts from becoming nothing more than an historical record, and put it back in it's proper place, whereby Gpd can continue to confirm His word, and give proof of the resurrection of His Son in this day of universal unbelief." dated about 1925 Sincerely, Franky
  8. I would be careful with making such blanket statements. I bet I can find promises that God made to Israel that you would not want. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe a better choice of words would be either blessings or curses, glad we have a choice.
  9. Very good, thanks bloodbought, in reading your post, I thought of Jesus' words in Luke 12:36 "And be like men who are waiting for their master when He returns from the WEDDING FEAST so that they may open the door to Him when He comes and knocks". I would be interested in hearing how you all would tie this scripture to the Marriage of the Lamb.
  10. Still here, had to hang some shutters. Your post re/ a person who discerned another who he thought was having a "Job" experience, and so refrained from praying for him so as not to go against God"s perceived will. Is this right?
  11. Those promises were made to national Israel. God was saying that if Israel obyed His Torah that they would prosper as a nation. He was not saying that EACH of them would never get sick, he never promised that each of them would be rich, etc. Those promises are also conditional upon obeying God's Torah. In Deuteronomy 14, for example God told them what animals not to eat. Are you kosher Franky? Do you keep the Sabbath and all of the Festivals? Deut 28:1 and 2 says: Deut. 28:1-2 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: [2] And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God. Notice the condition for blessing for Israel to obey ALL that God had commanded them THAT day. You need to really apply better hermeneutic principles to your handling of the Word God. Name it and Claim it folks apply very sloppy interperative principles, and end up making the Bible say what it is not saying. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I realize they were given to Israel, but then, as now, they were also to individual people. Abraham, for instance. Also, we as abraham's seed, what do we have to inherit, if not individual blessings? our only condition is to be in Christ, which we are. No longer are we to make the sacrifices, and keep the law as given to Abraham. That's why it's a better Covenant.
  12. If you do a word study on the word NEW used in these verses, the Greek word used is kainos, strongs # 2537, which means new in respect to freshness, some say made better, improved. In fact in some places the new Covenant is actually called a better covenant. The other word, neos is brand new, never before. In other words new in time.
  13. [ Of course we are heirs to the promise God gave to Abraham. So what was this covenant God made? It can be found in Genesis 12:1-3 "Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Gen 12:1-3 NASB) I don't see where Abraham (or his decendants) were promised perpetual good health. <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
  14. I'm not sure how to answer, please elaborate,, Thanks <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you see a difference in those two statements. Because there is a difference. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will just use Matthew's words, 9:16,17 "And when evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon possessed, andHe cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill in order that was spoken through Isaiah the prophet might be fulfulled, saying 'He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases' " I think, in the light of the prevalant thought on healing , that the King James translators translated the word sickness into griefs, and the word diseases into sorrows. Those two words in the hebrew are indeed physical afflictions of the body. However you want to word it, I believe the scriptures tell us that when Jesus was scourged, and then nailed to a cross, He atoned for the iniquity of us all, and He took, on His body our sickness, and disease.
  15. Which is more important in the study of the Bible, to learn the nature of God, or to learn the nature of man? I think we already know the nature of man. In the book of Job, I am seeking to know the nature of God, as I also seek His nature in the other books of His Word. How does He deal with the weak creatures that we are? What can we expect from Him as we pursue our Christian walk. IN PSALM 91, God is our refuge, and fortress, He delivers us from the snare of the trapper( Satan ), Under His wings we seek refuge, His faithfulness is a shield, no evil will befall us, nor will any plague come near our tent, He gives His angels charge over us to guard us in all our ways, because He loves me He will deliver me, He will set me on high because He knows my name,with a long life He will satisfy me, and I will behold His salvation. IN PSALM 121, Our help comes comes from the Lord, He will not allow our foot to slip, He is our shade, the sun will not smite us, He will protect us from all evil, He will keep our soul, He will guard our going out and our coming in. IN ISAIAH 54, VERSE 10, "For the mounatains may be removed,and the hills may shake, but My lovingkindness will not be removed from you, and My Covenant of peace will not be shaken says the Lord who has compassion on you." Abraham was by faith, righteous, he was the first recipient of the blessings of the Covenant, we are in Christ, we are Abraham's offspring, heirs, according to the promise. Galatians 3:29 Job was in a time before the Abrahamic Covenant. Lets look at the God of Job: 1 God said Job was righteous, no one as righteous as him on the earth. Job 1:8 2 Now, in a private meeting with Satan, God gave Satan authority to kill all . Job's sons, daughters, and servants 3. According to the book of Job, God did this to prove to Satan that Job was still faithful. 4. In a second private meeting with Satan, God said to him that despite all, Job still retained his integrity, God said in Job 2:3 that Satan had incited Him (GOD ) against Job, to ruin him without cause. Can Satan incite God today? 5. And then, again, God authorized Satan to strike Job in his body to prove that Job would not turn against Him (God). Now I don't know why Job was subjected to this ordeal, but my faith in my savior tells me not to expect this from God . I don't look to the book of Job as an example of how to live the Christian life. I have prayed many times after hearing lessons on Job in the past, and I have a peace about this. When God came to Earth as a man, and Satan confronted Him in the wilderness, He did not have any dialog with him at all, except to quote the word to him.
  16. Every time we go out, we pray the Blood of Christ Jesus over us, and ask God to make us alert, and watchful. Great is HIS Faithfulness.
  17. This is not to find blame, if we Christians can't make it better, who can? That's the point of this post. We can forgive the short comings of others, and love our enemies,.............. can't we? I live in a tourist town.........10 MPH right down main street
  18. As we stand poised on the threshold of the third millennium of our Lord's era, a new spiritual plague has come to besiege the earth: It is known by various phrases: road rage, traffic rage, driving rage, aggressive driving, driving under the influence, reckless driving, urgent driving, and so on. These forms of impaired driving, whether chemically or psychologically induced, kill thousands of people every year on a global scale. In the United States during any year, about 177 million drivers crash into each other 6 million times killing over 40,000 people and seriously injuring over a quarter of million men, women and children. Similar figures apply for the year before, and the year before, and before for several decades. And it will be the same next year, and the year after that, and the year after that--unless we gather the spiritual energy to overcome this social plague. Polls around the country indicate that people are scared of the highway. The daily commute home for hundreds of millions of people around the globe has become a risky, scary, unmerciful daily stress they must endure. Some people feel it
  19. look at this website, let me know what you think http://drdriving.org/articles/christ.htm
  20. That would make you somewhere close to 75 or 80 years of age. Do you still drive? How do you keep your temper with everyone thinking they are the only ones on the road? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm 80 last month, I still drive, although I am restricted to daytime, because I have a scarred cornea on one eye, and I get a bad "starburst" effect with oncoming car lights. I can see road signs fine, and my reflexes are OK, In fact a few years ago, a lady pulled over on the shoulder and stopped, and as I got about even with her rear bumper, she whipped a U turn, I yanked the wheel to the left,and got stopped, and just touched her left quarterpanel with my right rear bumper. I could have hit her broadside if I hadn't turned sidways, I drive like I have always driven, ie, try to stay away from em. OH, also I plead the Blood of Jesus each time we go anywhere.
  21. In Jacksonville NC where I am stationed, no one uses a blinker. Too many young Marines thinking they rule the road. Texas is a HUGE state. No thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's cause it's Marines...they're generally mad becuase some sailor wouldn't dance with them (sorry, grandfather and dad were Navy boys) Yeah, avoid Texas if possible... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> On following close, When I worked at Bell Helicopter, I drove Loop 820 every day for 20 years, I would flow with the traffic, but I always left about 4 car lengths ahead of me, if you do that someone will always try to get in the gap in front of you, and so I let them in. I would back off, and leave my gap again. The guys at work said I backed all the way to work. You know what? I always punched in on time, and I stayed out of those multiple car pile ups, because I left me space to react to whatever happened ahead. The ONLY control you have is how much gap you leave in front of you. Father, I pray this saves somebody's life
  22. I think you are heading for trouble, would you fly if pilots flew like you drive? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Heading for trouble because I obey traffic laws and leave myself an out? If every pilot flew like I drove then I'd actually fly home. There are pilots that fly like i drive, we call them fighter pilots <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OK The short 100 feet is an unusual situation where on and off ramps are too close together. I know where there is one like that in Fort Worth, and the driving public ought to bring a group lawsuit against the city, or state responsible for that kind of situation. Now, the on ramp you describe is another animal all together. If you want to live a little longer, you had best learn how to release a little pressure on the gas pedal, and just let that guy get in front of you. There is a hundred other cars ahead of you, one more won't hurt. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm talking about the exit and entrance ramps on Cooper Steet onto 20 in Arlington. I have no problem letting people ahead of me, however when they won't yeild and I have the right away and need to get over, I simply push my way over. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have driven for 60 (sixty) years, and if there's one thing I have learned, it's best to keep as much distance between you and the other car as possible, what ever that takes
  23. That was covered in the talmud when it declared: "God does not wish people to pass on the right. However if the person in the left lane is not going the speed limit and refuses to change lanes, then a child of God is forced to pass on the right. The condemnation for the violation rest upon the person in the left lane." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You know that white sign on the right side of the road with big black letters? That's the MAXIMUM speed, not the minimum.
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