chicagoburbite

They didn't marry each other! Sue and Suzie *(identical twins) met Dave and Davey*(identical twins)... Sue married Dave, Suzie married Davey. Built houses side by side. Suzie and Davey happened to birth identical twins together (Bob and Bobby*). *names changed for ease of explanation

Yes, I am. I am in a worship group since March this year. And I try and attend every Wendnesday when we have Bible study. Aleks... I don't just mean go and attend a group. I mean get involved in a group where you could share your struggles. Bring them out of the dark, into the open through speaking it outloud to these men. Then have one or two of the men become your accountability partner. This will be a person (or persons) that you will open up to and be honest with. They will be bold enough to ask you what you're doing to combat the sin and to check in with you on a daily basis (if necessary). Make sure you attend a church that provides men's groups like this. (it's been the most important thing for my husband EVER in combatting his area of sin).

I feel your frustration. I have a question, you mentioned reading the bible and praying, are you involved at a local church? One of the best ways to combat sin is with help and accountability with other believers. God wants us to be in community with other Christ-followers!!! And not just hanging out, eating donuts... actually communing in prayer and open conversation. You need to put a plan into action. If left alone, you'll always return back to your old ways. Proverbs 26:11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.

From Wycliffe's New Testament Commentary on same translation. IMO, it isn't appropriate for any woman (or man) to dress like this except in the presence of their spouse. One person may not be tempted toward sin but others are. I was always taught that "if ya got it, ya don't need to flaunt it". Pardon me for being crude. What's wrong with wearing a t-shirt and shorts for a carwash As others have said, I would start with prayer, speak with other parents about it and then go to the principle. Thank you for your advice and great list of verses! I agree that we are responsible for making sure we don't cause someone to stumble by what we do, say, and even how we dress.

That doesn't surprise me that you don't have lust issues with half naked men. However, God did not wire women to be visually stimulated near as much (if at all) as men are. Please read the article I left for HrJr for more information on that. It's a gooood article, and very necessary for all teen girls AND their parents to read it. I also agree the failure is on the parent's part... and secondly the school's.

Here is what HrJr said above:

Godslove, I think you are confusing who Shad is refering to. I (chicagoburbite, female) am the original poster and am totally disgusted with the whole sexual-carwash scenario. Shad was refering to HrJr and his statement saying that he sees no problem with these young ladies parading their bodies in the name of money making. HrJr also said he would have no problem seeing these ladies because he has a "drop dead gorgeous" wife. Just wanted to clear that up

It was on school property. They held it in the main parking lot of the High School. The road that goes past the school is 1 of 2 main roads for the entire town to get almost everywhere. I agree the principal and staff will be contacted.

You said "kids"...these are fully developed, curvacious teenagers. These are not little kids playing in the sprinkler. The porn industry (for example) sends out scores of ads/spam with links to teens "barely legal".. or "younger"!!! That must mean that some men want that visual.

I think you are right! I will plan to do that.

>>>If these were adults and this is what they were choosing to do- then fine. It's their choice. BUT this is a SCHOOL ACTIVITY- therefore these KIDS need to be dressed appropriately. We had plenty of carwashes when i was in high school and we never wore bikinis- we wore shorts and tshirts. A carwash is NOT a pool or beach- its a carwash! Now tell me- when you pull out your car to wash it, do you skimp down to a speedo??<<< You took the words right out of my mouth, Sierra (well, except the part about the speedo) And if you did decide to get down to a speedo.. would you be IN that speedo to make more money?

I noticed you said you "did not lust for the young girls." That was quite obvious. Could maybe you worry that your husband might? Of course! I don't want to put my husband into situations that might cause him to stumble. He wouldn't want me to be around or have to be placed in situations that might cause me to sin. That's just protecting your spouse from the "fire". CARWASH. CARWASH means WATER. Around water, beach type dress is appropriate. Why is a carwash any different? If you read what I wrote before this.. I am suggesting there be NO car wash. There are many other ways to raise money! If there was NO other way to make money, then do what our church youth group did years ago. Everyone wore jean shorts, and tshirts over their bathing suits. Let's say you and your wife have a baby daughter sometime in the future.. and when that baby girl is 15, her pep club decides to have a carwash where she will be dressed in a barely there bikini, jumping up and down by the side of the road on a very major street with lots of cars driving by. Some cars containing teenage boys who might be struggling to keep their thoughts pure; Christian dads who might struggle with lust; and of course there would be nonChristian men/boys who ogle; and even the registered sexoffenders who are out living in every city and town, and just maybe there would be a handful of cars with men who aren't tempted visually. But for even tempting ONE man with how she dresses.. that young lady would be wrong, and the parents would be to blame. I for one would NOT want my nearly 16 year old daughter to have her body on display like that. CERTAINLY not all the cars are stopping to be washed because they are going to get the best cleaning job! Besides ALL of that...what are we telling those girls? "Look almost naked so we can get people in here to watch our barely covered bodies wash their cars and earn money"???? I got my fill of sexual relations outside the context of God's plan. Having done it the world's way, and having now done it God's way. I have no desire to do it the World's way again. Exactly! So why would you want or allow your wife or daughter to do something like that.. something that just accepts the world's idea of how to earn money. And if you can drive past 12 almost naked teenagers jumping up and down.. then that's great for you.. .... but you must be nearly the ONLY heterosexual male that doesn't have to make a concerted effort to avoid situations like that.

>>I think a lot of the problem lies in the fact that Christians can not control their own lusts, so they take offense at these trivial things. << Actually, it takes a very strong and commited Christian to live God's way and not the way of the world. (BTW, I wasn't saying I was lusting after these girls. ) >> I do not really care how another woman dresses; it will not make me lust for her.<< That is quite amazing that you can do that! You are the first male I've heard of that doesn't have to keep himself in check regarding the whole area of sexual lust. My pastor (in a church with 4000+ members) has given sermons on the necessity of modest dress siting the fact that it is very hard for men (who are visually wired by God) to not fall into the temptation of lust and/or fanaticize. >>I really do not see how such minor things could offend mature Christians. << Quiet the opposite, it's the mature Christians who are willing to go against what the "world" says is ok. Here is a very interesting article. I cut and pasted a few sections of for you: Some time ago, a friend showed me a letter that a young man wrote to the editor of her Christian college newspaper: The other day I was going to the business office to take care of some financial matters and I could not believe some of the things I was seeing. The landscaping around campus looked exceptionally great. There were new dorms, new faces and unfortunately, scantily clad females were everywhere as well. This is . . . particularly hard for males because they are stimulated by sight. Now guys, we are not off the hook just because females are dressed inappropriately. We are called in 2 Timothy 2:22 to

(((((((((((((((( JULIA! ))))))))))))))))))))))) You got it right! It's so sad to see these young girls dressing like prostitutes... just trying to make money for their squad. What is that teaching them??? Oy vey. So good to see you !!! it's been over a year huh?? Jenni

This is one of those times when "sin" has the ripple effect, and breaks down the perfect plan of God. The abuser is sinning, and the result of his or her sin of abuse affects those around them. In my oppinion, one does not need to stay with an abuser merely on the fact that God looks down upon divorce. The abuse is a long term sin that affects not only the spouse, but the children. I feel that the abuser needs to be confronted by the spouse and a strong army of Believer's in an "intervention" type scenario. IF the abuser is repentant, and has a plan of action (which is implied in the term "repentant"), then rebuilding the marriage is not out of the question. There are times when sin disrupts the perfect plan God desires for each of us. An example of that is the command to Honor one's mother and father. If one of them is sexually abusing the child, sin has disrupted the perfect plan of the Lord's that 1.a parent is to bring up a child in the way of the Lord, and 2.the child is to honor (obey) the mother and father. Is a child supposed to allow the sexual abuse because the parent is pushing it upon them.. and to go against it would be not obeying that parent as God has commanded? NO! Sin has broken down the perfect plan, and has caused that ripple affect I mentioned above. The child does not need to continue to allow that sexual abuse simply because the Bible commands he/she obeys the parent.

I just wanted to see how many people would respond to an old resurrected post

Hey I want a "Dateline" update as to what happened!

In agreement. (Btw I was "Robin" to my older brother's "Batman"... all fantasy play that we knew was fiction)

And how many children (when I was growing up) put a towel hanging down their backs and were suddenly Superman or Batman (or Robin in my case, my brother always got to be Batman). Yet we knew we couldn't fly, we knew we couldn't hit "Pow" "Bam" "Zowie". My parents knew we knew the differnence between fiction and reality. We still learned Bible verses and attended church, this was just a fantasy moment we played now and then.

See my response to you below

So does that mean you don't (wouldn't) let your children watch any Disney movies or cartoons? They do not point the way to Christ either.

I think it depends on the kids, and the parents. BINGO my kids are completely grounded in the Word and read a vast array of books and authors. Rowlings in one of them, Max Lucado another. they understand the difference between fact and fiction.

"Jesus" is what we call him. Jews call him "Yeshua". Many many names are like that. My name is Jennifer, but in spanish it's Geniveva. Sounds like you have a GREAT reason to begin studying the bible in depth so that you can share you faith I'm sure there are some great resources on line to help you with evangelism. Jennifer

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