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Hello Sue, This is a good leading from the Lord. I think Christians are being a little more concerned with the first part and not this latter part about taking the yoke. Christians seek to lighten their burden but don't consider taking the yoke of the Lord to learn from Him. I feel that the Lord is saying to not be self-centered. When we don't take the yoke of the Lord, we our under our own strength and our own yoke. This is what makes us weary and heavy laden. Most people take on the yokes of their career, family, etc. But if we take the yoke of the Lord we live for the Lord and are bound to the Lord. It is here where we find true rest. There have been many Christians who have not taken the yoke of the Lord and are very much a part of this world. These are ones who will only do something for the Lord out of their convenience, who only consider what THEY can get from the Lord. The Lord has called us to DENY ourselves and follow Him wherever He leads us. This has lead some faithful saints to persecution, torture, and prison...but they were all bearing the yoke of the Lord. And they truly knew what the Lords rest was.

The sister I talked to was on ChristiansUnite.com forum. I didn't think you were the person but your vision reminded me of this sister. It was actually around the end of January I believe. The thread must still be there on ChristiansUnite.com. Her vision may be very similar to yours in some ways. I was however banned not long after I spoke to this person. A dear brother who lead me to understand the true things of God by spirit and this sister were persecuted by the pple on this forum. There was actually another person who had similar leadings as this sister concerning things about the end times but probably backed out when people started getting heated. Not too long afterwards, I was banned when I mentioned the works of the Nicolaitans and how it applies to our current condition of churches. I have not been able to visit that forum again in nearly a year. My screenname on there was felix102. The other brother who was also greatly persecuted was Gary Cook -that's his screenname. Perhaps our posts are still on there. ChristiansUnite Forum

I'll be checking back here often to get some knowledge and guidance. Like bolts mentioned...I should be studying. That was actually a big part of why I wasn't feeling any peace...seeing auras was occupying my time when I should have been studying. =(

Amen. You are right. Christians are still wearing masks that hide their real problems, struggles, and sins. I think God is going to push us closer together so that these facades can be broken down. I think there are many brothers and sisters out their that have many struggles but the problems are being covered up with smiles. Prayer I feel is pretty superficial sometimes...people are afraid to ask for prayer for themselves cause they dont want to be appear selfish. Well, it's time to drop all that and get real! We should not judge someone if they come to us with a prayer request nor should we fear requesting prayer from our brothers and sisters.

thanks for your replies. No peace was exactly what I was feeling. I feel a lot more peace now. I think everyone saw auras naturally when they were 5 years old or younger. But I think that after some time your central vision gets damaged so it's not able to pick up these auric frequencies anymore. Therefore, auric frequencies generally are picked up by our perpherial vision like what angel mentioned. I recognized that probably when I was 7 or 8 that I would stare at things and things would pop in and out of focus....and I was probably seeing auras but I don't remember. Yomotalking mentioned blurring your eyes...I think you were probably seeing the aura emanating from the object. What I saw was different...objects have a static aura that doesn't change but living beings have a different one that is full of more colors. What I saw was first my body changing colors...first my head. I didn't understand what was going on because nothing I've encountered or read mentioned anything about colors being on you, just around you. Normally, the colors emanated around me. But this time my whole face and chest was covered with an opaque color. So that was real scary...I'm use to seeing my facial features but I couldn't. Then I saw another image on top of me. It looked like a monster...and for a second I thought that I could see my bones. It was a real scary site and immediately I popped out of the vision. I think I might understand what that was but I have found no resources yet explaining what that could be. I'm not going to be training my eyes to see auras for some time until I'm very clear on what it is God would have me do.

It was a couple days ago when for some reason I just looked up auras and came across some sites describing how we can see them. I've always known about auras (had a friend whose mom could see them) but didnt think much about them until I came across a priest on tv who could see them and prophesy over people. After some more research I found that it was EM radiating from our bodies and that our eyes are actually capable of seeing these auras. So I actually did a simple exercise and I saw the aura too. The reason I'm asking this question is that something frightened had happened. I was looking at myself in the mirror to see my aura. By this time I had actually seen my aura many times but this was different. I concentrated more and then my face and body changed into colors and all I saw of me was a big blob of color (usually it was just colors around me). Then I saw something in my image that real frightened me. I thought I saw another being....and for an instance I thought that I was seeing the inside of my body parts like my bone and lungs! I'm not sure...but it looked real scary. I have been uneasy about this seeing aura thing the whole day. Seeing auras is correlated heavily with occultic and new age practices so this makes me very wary. I'm just not sure if practicing to see these things is a good idea in the sight of God. I sort of noticed that this was occupying all my time. I feel also that this is sort of replacing my prayer time and fellowship with God and his Word. But another part of me is saying that we're suppose to see these things and that seeing them would be very useful. Also that it's fun and interesting. My mind is not clear...I'm scared and confused at the moment. I can't discern clearly...I need your help.

So you can have something to sacrifice. *tongue in cheek* I'm not getting where you're coming from. Can you please elaborate. As Christians we are to die to self, die to our fleshly desires, where does that leave us? Do I simply deny the things that I feel as if they do not exist? As Christians, are we a bunch of pretenders? How do I "feel" without sinning or being completely fake? If someone is behaving in such a way that I am angered, as a Christian I grin and bare it (turn the other cheek), am I not faking it? If all of my real feelings are to be denied, where does that leave me as the person I really am? It is not done through that. The only way to truly deny yourself and die to yourself is through the Spirit. It is by letting your spirit reign over your soul. The self sacrifice is denying your soul and following Christ. This is how the martyred saints of old were capable of living a life of torture and persecution. In their soul, obviously, they would not have wanted to experience tremendous pain. But because they lived a life of self-sacrifice they were capable of going through that life...because they were ones who lived and were lead by the Holy Spirit in them. The Holy Spirit is dwelling in us with our spirit. In our spirit, our inner man, we are able to live a life of sacrifice. What you have described to me is the wrong way to go about it. You are right...you will be faking it...cause using your own strength and ability to grin when someone makes you angry is the wrong way. It can only be accomplished when you have the power and inner anointing from the Holy Spirit. The Pharisee's holiness was artificial. Yet the true believers who have a personal relationship with Christ...their holiness is real. For they do not live by their own strength alone...but by the strength of Christ. The flesh wants the attention of our soul. But when we turn our soul to our spirit we can overcome. To make this work all we have to do is turn to the Lord in times of temptation, anger, fear, anxiety, and distress. Any time the flesh tempts us to do something we know is wrong...we need to turn immediately through the Lord. One way is to call on the Name of the Lord, literally saying "Lord Jesus save me!". For when you call on Him you are being strengthened into your spirit for that is where the Lord is dwelling.

Is it ok to train our eyes to see them?

Greetings all. I would say that Sue was given the ministry of prophecy from God. I am a college student and I experienced the living waters of God in December of 2004. It was then that I actually started to recognize that prophecy is an existing and important function in the body. I finally understood the move of the Lord's Spirit and that the children of God were living in stagnant water...stuck on Christ as eternal redemption and not moving forth in the Lord's move. Prophecy would sort of be like keeping the body up to date. Sue, I happen to have spoken to another sister who had a similar vision as yours. This was near the end of December. She spoke of places of refuges for the saints. I spoke also concerning this vision for I am studying Civil Engineering and felt that perhaps God led me to this major so as to know the means to build such a refuge. Were you perhaps this sister? Dreams and visions should not be shunned altogether rather discerned. It is important that we do not "despise prophecy" but prove and discern them as the bible so instructs.

greetings. This is a great revelation. It seems that God wants to make sure we realize that the old man has been crucified and that we are now a new man. Our will should be different, our desires should be different, our minds should be different. We have not yet been perfected but God is in the process of sanctifying us. This is the process of letting the "baby" grow. The born again man is our regenerated spirit. This is our new man. Added to this new man is the Spirit of God. Our spirit and the Holy Spirit are one (1 cor 6:17). "He showed me that the baby in me who is a part of Him is strong". The spiritual man or the "baby in us" is stronger than our carnal man. "but I'm allowing the baby to feed off the part of me that is dying". Our old nature is the part of us that is dying. This is our fallen nature which "has no place in Him". Jesus came down to destroy the fallen nature and to redeem our human nature. God intends to graft Himself into our human nature so that we may express the glory of God through our human living. When we allow the "baby" to feed off the old man or fallen nature however....it eventually dies. The "baby" is not dead dead but in slumber. At that point, the beliver becomes nearly indistinguishable from a non-believer. They will have the same ways, attitudes, thougths, and desires except one will say he does not believe in Jesus and the other will say he does. Simply, the believer is no longer HOLY anymore. Holy is being uncommon or set apart. I hope that makes sense. Jacqueline, are we on the same page? I'm not sure if I using the term "baby" with the same meaning as yours. Well, I need to the blood of Christ to wash me anew. I have spent some time in my fallen nature. Oh how I need the grace of God. So I guess it's time for me to look forward and not back. Thank you Lord for your precious blood.

Take heart. God was a witness of your marriage between you and your husband. And God is a witness of your husband's unfaithfulness. God has plans for you and the child. God sees all the things that are happening here and He is faithful to do something about it. I don't know how close you are to God but whether you know Him or not...your marriage and family is something that belongs to God and something God cares about. God observes marriage and He plans the family, even for the non-believer. God sees marriage as a holy union between a man and woman and God is the one who selects the life and soul of the offspring that the couple should bear. Truly, the life of your child is in God's hand and so are you. God is not dead, He is living and He knows everything that is going on. Just give in to Him. From the tears you've shed, God will give you strength, power, and a sober-mind. You will become a more powerful and strong person through this. Christ is our rock and those who stand on this solid ground will never be shaken. Stand firm in the Lord, abide in Him...and you will be an overcomer.

Amen. Your daughter desires to rid herself of her Harry Potter books; that is a sure sign that Jesus is moving in your daughter. To some people, Harry Potter books seem innocent but it is embedding ideas of witchcraft in the childrens' mind. This is an easy way for demons and evil spirits to have dominion over them. Witchcraft is not harmless, even if people do it for mere fun. Getting strange looks from people for wearing your "Got Jesus" shirt is a very good sign too. People are ashamed of Jesus's name. People can say any other name but Jesus without shame...even for some Christians. But those who will follow Christ to the very end are those who will not deny His name; those who will proudly bear the Name of our Lord. Those who deny Jesus will be denied by Him. Satan will do anything to make us ashamed of the Name Jesus. So just keep it up. The leading of the Spirit be with you always.

These are some things God has revealed to me. 1)I am learning what it means to bear the cross. To deny ourselves that Christ may increase and we decrease (john 3:30). Christ desires to graft his life into ours(john 15). Our fallen nature I should reckon dead and that I now live the resurrected life in my new man. That Christ may be magnified, expressed, and manifested in my body. 2)God is gaining more of us little by little, pruning and burning the dross in our life that we may be perfected in His sight. Once God showed me great things and miracles....but after some time I no longer saw them anymore. Though I still see God moving and doing miracles...they were not as powerful. I also do not experience as much of the living water as I did before. However, I finally realized the problem. I was staying in my comfortable area. That is why I did not experience as much life and power as I once did. God is trying to gain us little by little. Once God showed me powerful works and He did things for me. Now it is my turn to show God something and for me to do something for Him. I no longer need to witness great miracles and works of power. The only thing I need to live by is faith. God is still taking care of me in great ways. However, I need to see where God is leading me and be subjected to this leading. I cannot stay where I am comfortable. I need to follow the Lord's leading, even when it inconveniences me or even if it will lead me to death. Therefore, Apostle Paul said "whether through life or death Christ may be magnified. " For the sons of God are those who are lead by the Spirit (romans 8:14). Since we are lead by the Spirit, I need to be in my inner man always. Many times I fail and I am in my natural self with my fallen nature. In this fallen nature I sin. But in the inner man or in my spirit, I know that I will not sin. This is my struggle. I am trying to exericise my spirit, to be lead by the Spirit, and to be in my spirit. As my spirit grows, it moves out into the parts of my soul. It changes my mind, emotions and will transforming me into the likeness of Christ. God is trying to achieve in us perfection to the uttermost. 3)True power in the body of believers The body of Christ, the Church (group of believers), is more powerful than we think. Each member in the Church needs to be functioning. "I will stand firm if You stand firm." Christ cannot be expressed in individuals alone but he needs a group of people, a body. The Church is greatly feared among Satan and his kingdom. Therefore Satan always tries to divide us and cause strife and dissention among us. The only way to conquer this is to love our brothers and sisters. This is what truly builds up....not eloquent speaking, skills in cooking, prophecy, evangelism, music, or any other gift. You cannot make it on your own...you need to be in the body with fellow brothers and sisters. This is a reality, even if you think you are more spiritually mature than everyone else. Even the pastor of the church needs you. 4)Prayer Prayer is more powerful than our abilities. Before we try to save someone with our words, prayer should precede us. Before we study for a test we should pray for the Spirit to gives us a sobermind. We accomplish more through prayer than in our abilities alone. Prayer is a way to fight and serve. When you pray for others, you too will be blessed. You prayer alone is powerful enough to change the world. Your prayers will turn out to the salvation of others and yourself through whatever situation others or you are in. *I can use your prayers right now. Thanks. 5)Loving the Lord We should love the Lord with all our strength. One way to show this is to get up early in the morning and read the word and spend some time in prayer. If you do this your day will be a lot better. 6)Insulation and hinderances to God Sin can insulate you from the presence and fellowship of God. Sins need to be confessed and washed by the blood of Christ. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Amen. Praise the Lord for you new walk in life! The more prayer and Christ you reveal to your daughter and husband, the better. Leading your family to Christ and praying for them is the best advice. Not only are you testifying Jesus to them in words but also in your living. We are a walking testimony of our Lord Jesus. Usually, it is our change in behaviour and habits that is the greatest testimony to our family and close ones. 2 Corinthians 3:3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts

God bless you Melissa. Jesus was abandoned by his disciples when he most needed someone. Jesus is calling us to follow him and live a crucified life. A crucified life is where we deny ourselves and bear the cross- following Christ wherever he goes. There are two lives: in one life the person has many good friends. The person's friends all admire her and the person benefits greatly from her friends in many areas of her life. The second life the person has no real friends. They are all acquintainces and though they seem to care about the person, it is only a facade. They simply tolerate the person lest they can use the person for something. Christ would take the second life where he would always get the "short end of the stick". Crucified on the cross, Jesus was suffering for those who crucified him. Jesus chose to die for them -the very people who despised, mocked and killed him. Jesus told us that when someone forces us to go one mile with him, we go two miles. If someone sues us for our tunic, we give them our cloak as well. Keep doing what you are doing Mellissa - being nice and befriending people who do not truly care about you as you do towards them. Even to the people who perhaps stole from you or even use you for a means to their own ends. If you can love them in this situation then it is truly Christ. You may be hurt that someone of whom you are trying to befriend has stolen from you. But like fiosh said...it may not seem important after some time. Though this 'treasure' was taken away it is one that will perish. The real treasure is where you heart is. This treasure will not perish. As it is...you are storing treasure for yourself that will not perish. Matthew 6:20-21 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Pray for the one who stole your item. Still befriend and love that person. When true forgiveness and love has taken place in your heart...then be sure to see something from God happen. There will be true joy and peace in you. Praying for you. May God strengthen you and give you true inner peace as you bear the cross and follow Him.

Where do I get this idea? Here is where.... The Spirit is what allows us to carry out the work of God. There is a spirit of prophecy in saints that reveals the condition of the people or their hearts. The spirits of the prophets are subject to their control (1 Corinthian 14:32). And on knowing the heart.... 1 Corinthians 14:24-25 But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!" We also see that in Romans 2:5 that Paul is speaking out AGAINST unbelievers and here he says, "But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath..." So since when did men have knowledge of the heart of man? Since always. I know some brothers who can know it. Yet there can be times when we make an error. Also there can be brothers who are deceived by unclean spirits and thus may speak the truth but a word that would be destructive to the person. The latter two are in error and would need prayer and admonishment. Dani you said the following, "I read that whole length of posts... and some of them were quite venemous." Please indicate to me what was venemous. If there were I do not believe any of them were my responses to Itzomi. If you disagree then SHOW me my error. For up to this time no one has SHOWN me what was wrong... The only thing that I have received are indirect responses that are very general. All I receive is that I was being "mean" or "judgemental". Yet no one is showing me what they feel exactly makes me "mean" or "judgemental". Itzomi was a christian that had gone back to a non-believing christian. Okay...Peter spoke this concerning them... 1 Peter 2:21-22 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." Did I ever call Itzomi..."A dog who has returned to its vomit" or "A sow that is washed but has gone back to her wallowing in the mud"? No, yet you accuse me of being "mean" and "unloving"?! If you look again, each time I gave a very thorough response regarding what she CAN DO to seek the truth. I first expose the problem and indicate the solution. The solution has been the majority of all my responses yet it seems like all you are concentrating on is the other part of exposing the problem. In the Old testament the majority of the prophecies to the people are exposing the problem and it is less on the blessing. And Dani, you clearly did not read my last response here. Since you say I can't know anything about the person over a message board... I made that clear in the following... Please read carefully. What error am I refering to? The error of being wrong in the condition of her heart. For I did not see it through the words (externally) but I felt it while reading the message. So nothing on the outside or NOTHING ON THE MESSAGE BOARD caused such conviction. It was primarily what I felt was going on. And again, I openly admitted that I could be in error. And being that I was convicted of this not from the words on the screen but through what I felt...it would require prayer. I already PMed Fiosh and I also invite many others to continue to discuss how they feel I was wrong in my converastion with Itzomi. Since this is becoming more personal and less public oriented, it would be best for my sake that it be done through private messaging. Oh...and you also said that following and I'm assuming it's in regards to me... Please read ALL of my posts and see whether this is true or not. For you to say to me that I have not been doing this is very judgmental. I have ALWAYS given an answer....I had always ANSWERED truthfully and sincerely (please show me out of all my posts when I have had a snide remark, or insult and when I have NOT taken pple seriously). And of course it is for EVERYONE...did you not see that I wrote to Fiosh in this very thread that we should share a message of blessing and condemnation with both those we favor and those we do not like. I, even in fact said, if we favor or dislike ANYone in the church our heart is not in the right place. And now you say REASON, very very much so. Did you not read why I told Itzomi to "prayfully read the New Testament?" The New Testament speaks of Christ who is the expression of God and 'prayfully reading' is done so you may receive scripture correctly. So do I get it? Very much so as indicated by my posts in this forum.

Definition of Fasting- Merriam Webster.... Main Entry: 3fast Function: intransitive verb Etymology: Middle English, from Old English f

Hello dood. Fasting from food is scriptural and it is a powerful way to grow spiritually. It is very possible to fast for 40 days and more. I know people who fast for 10 days and some who have fasted for 40 days multiple times. I myself have fasted for 4 days and I plan to fast for longer periods in the future. It is truly a powerful thing to do for the Lord. Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights from food. Else why does scripture say that Jesus was very hungry? Why would Satan's first temptation be for Jesus to turn these rocks into bread? A fast for 40 days has been done by many people throughout all time and even now. Fasting as in terms of giving up something other than food was something created by man. Since fasting is abstinence from food and man was too weak to do without food...they decided to make fasting mean abstinence from ________ (fill in the blank). This is something that is still good to do for the Lord- things such as Ash Wednesday or simply where you give up something for the Lord but fasting is first abstinence from food.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....I got halfway thru a reply and somehow accidentally deleted it! Maybe the Holy Spirit wasn't happy with what I was saying?? I'll try again. Hi Felix, Thanks for your comments! Let me first clear up a few things. 1. My post was not a direct result of your replies to Itzomi; I've seen things said time and time again here, to non-believers , that disturb me. 2. I agree with almost all of what you have to say about telling people the hard truth. 3. I'm a "sis" not a "bro" 4. As I said, I may be too "soft" and I'm willing to admit I may lean too far in the other direction, and the proper response may be somewhere in the middle. That being said, let me try to clarify my issue, if possible. My observation is that sometimes those with questions are accused of being "insincere" because they continue to persist in their unbelief after they receive a reply that is assumed to be sufficient. My own personal opinion---and I accept that is all it is------is that people need time to process information; especially information that is difficult and goes against their established (and comfortable) belief system. I don't expect them to immediately respond, "Oh hey, yeah, you're right, I'm wrong, I'll completely reverse my way of thinking right here on the spot!" Yes, that can happen by God's grace. True. But normally it takes a little time. ( Bread of Life is a beautiful case study of that--Praise God!) It's ok, IMHO, to say, "If you persist in your unbelief your path will lead you to hell". It's not ok to say, "You are being dishonest, stubborn, insincere, a trouble-maker, etc." when you don't truly know the person's heart". I know that I am NO Isaiah . Yes, I am called to share the Gospel. Yes, I even am sometimes given the words to say by the Holy Spirit. I have had that experience at times, and it often moves me to tears of joy afterward. But, I do not judge a person's heart. I simply speak the truth to them. I see a difference between the two. There have been times that I have PM'd a non-believer and found them to be sincere in their search for answers and hurt by the rejection they felt here. That is a sad commentary on our Christian response. Bottom line: A person who has questions AND COMES HERE should be given the benefit of the doubt that they are sincerely seeking the Truth, and have been led here by the Holy Spirit. They should be treated with love and patience. WE should pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance each time we respond to them. They should be given the hard truth of the Gospel---"you are a sinner and without Jesus, you are toast". BUT, they should never be rejected as a liar for admitting they don't believe. It is sometimes.....often, I'd say.....a desperate cry for help. All I'm asking it that we all, myself included because I can get "harsh" at times if I'm not careful, take pains to not chase people away by our words. I pray everyday for the opportunity to witness. When a lost soul wanders in to WB it is a gift from God, to us, and to them. Let's cherish that gift........and unwrap it GENTLY. God bless; your sister in Christ, Fiosh I understand what you are trying to convey. It is reasonable. However, I do not agree with some of your points. Firstly, sometimes we are able to see the hearts of others. Some have been given the gift to discern from spirits. These spirits operate through people or they exist outside of people. If seeing the heart of man is not possible then how can Stephen say to the pharisees, "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears!". If what I said about Itzomi was wrong then I openly showed her that she should pray for me that I may see the truth. If what I said was wrong then she should not have been mad at me...rather, she would probably have just laughed me off if not pray for me. She would probably have told me, "You don't know what you are talking about...you have no idea...". Why did she off and leave after I admitted that I could have been possibly wrong? In your first point you said that your thought was not a direct result of my conversation with Itzomi. Surely it was either spawned or encouraged from it. Second point: If you agree with me in telling people the hard truth...then if what I was saying to Itzomiwas true....then would you still agree on me telling her that? As for point 3, sorry. For point 4, being too "soft" has been a trend in the churches of America. It is not just you but preachers and christians all over. To know more about that read http://www.gloryinhiscross.injesus.com/Gro...QBI&UCD=5vj From your observations you say those with questions are accused of being "insincere" because they continue to persist in their unbelief after they receive a reply that is assumed to be sufficient. If you have "observed" this from me you have it wrong. I speak to many unbelievers and atheists and do not accuse them of being insincere when they do not accept my message. It is because their 'nous' and heart is darkened and hardened respectively. To understand please consider what I saw while speaking to Itzomi... -A person seeking to find answers to inconsistencies in the bible. -In the middle, after receiving answers, the person decides to still stay with the current thought and not be changed. Here I see that she is stubbornly holding onto her original view, which does not allow her to see the simple truth before her. It was not that it made no logical sense...but because she was holding onto this particular view. This was the obstacle I saw. She admitted she was like a dog that would not let go of the bone. What she said concerning herself was very true. Yet have we not considered when our own dog does this? We try to remove the bone from its mouth because we know it would have more fun if it gave it to us so we could toss it and have him fetch it again. Just an illustration from Itzomi's own words. -Afterwards...Here is where I felt that she was losing the integrity she had at first...though she admittedly would not accept any explanation she still wanted people to answer it. Is there something wrong here??? Obviously. Though is it wrong to say that this person is losing integrity??? For they really are. If your dog will not let go of the bone so you may toss it again for him and yet he refuses to let go of the bone....the dog is simply not being sincere in letting you play toss and fetch with him. He acts like it but in reality he does not want to let go of that bone. Fiosh, you say It's not ok to say, "You are being dishonest, stubborn, insincere, a trouble-maker, etc." when you don't truly know the person's heart". Is it ok to say it if it's true and you do know the person's heart? Please notice that twice I told Itzomi if I was wrong to forgive and pray for me. I said that would be the only way because it was something I sensed inside me. It was not some error on the outside which can be reconciled through discussion and review of what was said. What I saw in saying that she was losing integrity was not from what was spoken on the outside (though there can be clues) but what I FELT was going on. This is internal and would require prayer for me if I were in error. Sincerity can be illustrated in this manner....in your first point you said that your thought was not a direct result of my conversation with Itzomi. I do not feel you were sincere here. If perhaps I did not have a conversation with Itzomi in the manner that I did, would you have posted this thread? Probably not. This, in my opinion, is what is insincere. Surely my conversation with Itzomi had a very great affect on your thought which you say has always been there. Being sincere would have been to say, "Yes, because of what you said or did I have this thought". It's simply being 100% honest with others and yourself. But in being 100% honest you do it in love. You see...this is another trap of being too soft. If you felt that I was in error you NEED to directly indicate it to me. Doing things indirectly and implying things here and there is not good procedure. I use to be the same...but now I just come out with the hard truth quickly. Probably to balance out the decades of "softness". Maybe I was completely wrong in the way I handled the conversation with Itzomi on many areas. I probably should have PMed her and not say things in the public and open. I know that I hurt her dignity. This I believe what you guys are trying to perserve in being "soft". But above all things we need to change the attitude of relegating the truth to the back for the sake of being non-condemning or non-judgemental. This is simply the trend of this age and time.

Amen. I was wondering, why do you say "don't tell people that don't need to know. And tell the people that you do tell not to tell any other people."? Just curious.

There is only one unforgivable sin: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. No sin is punishable through death in the church. That was only in the old testament. We live in the New Testament now. For the rest of your questions....I'll just say don't trust man. To receive true understanding pray to God and believe in Him. Man does not have final authority...the bible does. Read the bible and if you don't understand something pray to God. If you keep doing this God will surely teach you Himself. If you keep seeking answers you will find them. This is a promise from God. May God watch over you as you seek the truth. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free.

Hello bro. I know that your heart is pure here, and you really have a concern for the lost and how they are received by us. I will take heed of your words. It is very good that you share your thoughts. I recognize that this thought spawned from me responding to Itzomi in the thread "My Objections to the Faith". Concerning this matter with Itzomi I will beg to differ. Not trying to be defensive...but if you look at the conversation again and consider what I say and what happens later....you will find that it was true. I was only speaking what I saw was true. And she became very defensive in a way that made me out to be the "bad" guy. The very first thing I said that appeared aggressive was when I said, "You are stubbornly holding on to your views....". I guess this is what made her feel defensive and that's how it all started from there. HOWEVER, notice that her stubborness was true all along...she herself said she is "like a dog that won't let go of a bone". This is truly just another way of saying "stubborningly holding onto your views". I wanted to expose the truth in this matter. But not all people are willing to accept it openly and easily. I can be in error also yet I am aware of that and open to correction. That is why I asked her to forgive and pray for me if I am wrong about her integrity. I did feel a little bad afterwards, but I truly believed that people just want to be nice so people can stay. But that is not right. Let's go through this following question. There are workers in your church who are living in sin. What you want to tell them is the truth...but you know that it may offend them and scare them away. What do you think God would want you to do? Lets look at the prophets. Most of their messages weren't about blessings but about condemnation and judgement from God. Was the prophet allowed to not share a message on judgement if he felt that it would offend people? If we favor a person in our church then our heart is not in the right place. If we hate a person in our church then our heart is not in the right place. If we hate a person in our church for no reason then our heart is definetely in the wrong place. Are you willing to share a message of judgement on a person you personally favor? Are you willing to share a message of blessing on a person you do not like? We can only be sensitive to what the Lord wants and not sensitive to what we feel. And I know there is another side to this. What if the prophet did not prophecy truthfully but deceitfully. What if the people in your church weren't living in sin but you shared a message of condemnation with them that accused them of a sin they had not commited? The consequences of a false prophet is far greater than other functions in the body because they have a greater responsibility. If you are on the receiving side of this false prophet who falsely prophesises over you then that false prophet will be dealt with God strongly....more strongly than a false teacher,a greedy giver, or a negligent pastor. Fiosh, I'm not opposed to anything you're presenting here. Thank you for sharing this. To the fools we must become like fools so we may gain them. To the lawless we must become like the lawless, etc. This is very important. I think there were many with you Fiosh that felt the same way as you did. And some held me by this concerning Itzomi in like manner. I feel it is very important that when we think another brother or sister is in error that we first pray for them and them speak to them about what we think their error is. If the brother listens to you then you have won him. However, if he will not take heed or listen then you bring more witnesses. This is the procedure.

Hello brothers and sisters. Thank you for sharing that message with us Larry. I believe that now it is high calling that we wake up from our blindness to sexual immorality. 1 Corinthians 5:6-12 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast