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who in the world could judge mother theresa? certainly not strangers to her. my children never had daycare and were homeschooled part of the time. school is the most cruel thing a parent can do to their child short of outright abuse or total abandonment.

matthew 13 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. 31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. 33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. 34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. 36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 44Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

let me save us all some time, robert. my message is simple: organized religion is evil. a personal private relationship with the one true god of the bible is good. the two are diametrically oppsed to one another. Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. same god, same message, from the beginning to the end. move along folks, nothing new here. nothing the world desires, anyway.

thats a great question. but it is one that you should have an answer for as well. when was the last time that the path of least resistence turned out to be that profitable for you? you make the statement - "I am convinced the Bible in it's entirety, all 66 books of the cannon, are the innerant Word of God" - but that simply beggars the question. what has you so convinced? i know why I think there are 66 books to the bible. i know why i think the ones in the textus receptus are the right ones. i can read apocryphal books and see why they are not included. i can read the book of morman and find the errors in it. in fact, i would venture to say that jesus himself could walk up to me out of the blue and i would recognise him, no matter what he looked like. how do i know all of these things and much much more? it is because i have checked out the bible to see if it was true. i have done the things jesus said to do and watched while he did what he said he would. now my faith is not complete by any stretch of the imagination, but it is getting there. and with each passing day i am able to sense the leading of god and the discernment of truth becomes something i do automatically. but the key is definitely obedience. the things learned by following jesus puts it all in perspective. what i do only works for me, however. it does no good to tell anyone anything, really. jesus has already said it all, yet where are his disciples in this time? until people accept enough to begin to get their own experience with the lord, i might as well be speaking russian to a hillbilly. but as they gain experience walking with god, then we have common ground and they can understand what i am talking about. its not something that can be faked. i went around with a lot of head knowledge for a long time and i failed tests miserably. but being as i am not that masochistic, i stopped fooling myself and have been getting as far away from the fence that i was riding ever since. people are quite amazing creatures. they really are made in the image of god. what they believe comes into being, as sure as the letters appear on my screen as my fingers push these keys. this makes for a huge capacity for self delusion. this is one of the reasons god had to come and appear in a robe of flesh to show us how it is done, to tell us where we are going wrong, and to give us a means to get it right. with free will, the truth is whatever a person chooses it to be. the problem is, if it is not gods truth, it is nothing but a fantasy and the person believing in such will die in their lies and be left with nothing because what they believe isnt real.

have a good day, my friend.

we have an obligation to seperate the doctrines and traditions of men from the truth of god. there are some who believe the 1611 kj and the 1848 daniel webster is the only way to the truth. i have proved to myself that this is false and that the men who translated the king james bible produced a literary work, not the unadulterated word of god. but knowing this doesnt cause me to throw the baby out with the bathwater. the received text, the originals that king james was translated from(supposedly) is the text i use for all my translating and word studies. additionally, i put a lot of qualifiers in what i wrote for a reason. i do not doubt the spirit of paul, it is the fact that his works can be so easily played with, misunderstood, and mistranslated that causes me such consternation because christians go quoting him like the word of god thundering out of the clouds and yet what they make of it is not the word of god but twisted doctrines of mans own device. the most surprising thing is not that it says things that it shouldnt, but that the warnings about such "antichrists" and "doctrines of devils" are still prominently displayed in the very same book. very clever, i must say. imagine a despot or a committee of government in charge of a system of religion for about two thousand years. do you really think the orthodoxy that is at the end of that will be anything near what the original started out to be? you do remember the childrens game where a sentence is whispered around the room and the last person says the sentence out loud. well, it is not so funny when matters of life and death are involved. and since this world system uses religion as a method of power and control, then it makes sense that their message would be easy to swallow and hard to wiggle out of mentally. it is a trap. and if anyone knows traps, it is me. it is my hope that you will be able to see that the very way of thinking that you have regarding the bible would prevent you from discovering certain errors should they happen to be there. just believing they are not there is called wishful thinking. believe me, they are there, and not just a few. what i described to you was a simple non-gender weighted pronoun that could be translated male or female and was surrounded by female subject matter and yet was translated male. thats not a mistake - thats on purpose. deception. control. and look how powerful! it reaches throught the centuries and convinces millions today. mainly because they dont take the time to find out for themselves but instead trust man to tell them. and man inherently lies. here is the key to the kingdom that jesus gave peter: Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. and again(second witness) John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. therefor Galatians 1:15-17 15But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: 17Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. yet the common practice with new converts is to indoctrinate them by conferring with - you got it - men. thats enough for now. you would be shocked at what i dont believe and do believe. let me put it this way - if most people believe it, i know it to be a lie. and it doesnt seem to matter what area of study you choose. religion is just one of many. i am the child because of all the references in the bible to a child. thats me. and i am a child of god. Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

butero quote "This whole subject does make me wonder about a few things. How long have you been married? Before your illness, what kind of job did you have? Also, how old are your three children? And totally off subject, what made you choose the user name "the child?"" i am tired, so i will be brief. 18 years 14, 15, 17 radio sales ad exec and ad producer, writer, singer of jingles, writer of slogans, builder of empires. i was too sick to leave before and now my kids need me. i have to be here for them until the lord calls me away to another task. my wife can spend twelve hours a day away from the house. children need a parent around paying attention to them. my kids have that and they are not in drugs or sex or any of that because of it. how can i put a price on that?

butero quote "There is not much sense in my going back over what the Bible says about the man's responsibility for providing for his household because you have your mind made up in the matter." i was really hoping you would search the scriptures yourself. i applaud you in your zeal for obeying the scriptures. i had come to a conclusion on that passage long ago. my mind, like yours, is only as made up as it can be given our current understanding. i had a major problem with that passage long before i fell ill. the verse in question works good as a stand alone sentence and is obvious in its content and meaning when viewed in that manner. but put in context, it seems completely out of place. it is as if i was to insert a sentence from a stephen king novel right here without setup or explanation. before and after in this part of pauls letter, the subject is widows. but in the midst of this there is such a strong admonition to guys? it doesnt make sense. the translation is flawed at best or the sentence is simply and insertion at worst. pauls writings are some of the most poorly translated by the king james gang. you must remember, they were not only working for a worldly ruler with power of life and death over them, they were also working under the delusion that the greek in which the new testament was written was a special godly greek that was only used to write the bible with. it obviously was not classical greek, so this was the common assumption and was the perception under which these guys were working. this makes for translating being some pretty heady stuff because if there is no way to translate a word then one is in the position of simply making it up and chalking it up to divine guidance. we now know that the greek used to write the new testament was the common or koine greek, of which we now have many examples of letters and shopping lists and the kinds of things the common man would write down. it was like the farmboy lingo compared to the kings english. the new testament was written in simple language. and you also must remember peters admonition that the things paul writes of are hard to understand because he was such an intense person and extremely intelligent. paul is writing a letter to his protege and fellow worker. he is addressing things that he felt important enough to be addressed in such an elaborate means as writing was in those days. he is not likely to ramble or be the least bit incoherent in his style. all this leads me to believe that if the sentence does in fact belong there, it is poorly translated, especially in realation to the pronoun "his" used in the sentence. if you look at the word translated "his" both times in that sentence, it is the greek word "hautou", numbered 848 in the strongs and it is used for either gender according to context. so it could just as easily be translated "her" as "his". but even so, the sentence, if taken as is at face value, is NOT congruent with the rest of real scripture. yes, i do see the writings of paul as being inspired, but they are not the scripture even HE refered to in his second letter to timothy and certainly not what jesus refered to. to me, they are subordinate to the old testament, not superceding of them. paul even says in one instance that it was not the lord saying what he was saying, but he qualified it as coming from him, in that one small instance. the gospels, of course, are the words of god himself and the book of revelation. peters writings are important because it was to him jesus gave the keys to the kingdom. in fact, the rest of the new testament is simple in its display of the truth. paul kind of complicated things in places. but he also knew things and wrote them down that no one else knew. so i pretty much agree with the textus receptus, again with hidden proofs from the old testament, but i take the translations with a grain of salt sometimes. just like jesus said he was the fulfillment of the law and prophets, i see the new testament as the explanatory notes of the old testament. the gospels and revelation are in a class all their own, however. the old testament is quite gender biased, and paul was well versed as a pharisee in the scriptures. he knew how elijah had come upon a woman and told her to draw water for him and told her to give him the last bit of food in the house that she and her son were going to have their last meal and die. what would you think of me if i did such a thing? could you imagine how the community would view such a person today? but elijah was given the food and the woman never ran out of food after that. she gave the man of god food from her own babiy's mouth so that he might eat. before that, elijah was being fed by ravens. but one of my favorite passages in scripture adresses this issue you raise better than any other. it is the last half of the last chapter of proverbs. see if this is congruent with the verse in timothy as jimmy had authorized it to be translated. 10Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. 13She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. 14She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. 15She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. 16She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. 17She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. 18She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. 19She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. 20She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. 21She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. 23Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. 24She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. 26She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. 27She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. 28Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. 29Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. 30Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised. 31Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. what is that a picture of? it is the picture of a total provider, thats what it is.

like all of the gifts, they are personal and for building up faith. they all depend on the individual - where they are at and what they need. like i said, they all seem to be fulfilled in me over the years and i didnt seek any of them out, believe me. with the exception of when i was a child and desired to speak in tongues at bible camp. pentecostals have their priorities all screwed up. i know, i used to be one.

you ignore the signs too? And what might the signs be? mark 16 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

You mean sell all you have and follow Christ as the Lord told the rich young ruler? How would one do that today? Thanks, Robert well, robert, i really dont know how a person would go about doing that. i havent held a paying job for the the past 6 years and i dont own anything. i am blessed, if you can call it that, with a wife who pays for what is here and that is her choice because i guess she doesnt want to live a meager existence. i would just as soon live off the land, but that is not available any more. i did that for a while in alaska, but that went the way of many better things i have known in my 47 years. i no longer have the stomach for the work i once did and i have no desire to do work that i know will harm myself, my health, or other people and guess what? there isnt much out there. i am a natural healer and wont go near a doctor. in fact, i could be perfectly fine as homeless. i need no provisions that the lord does not provide. i dont need a shelter - it is much healthier not to be in one. i eat my food raw so i dont need fire. i drink distilled water so that is a burden, but i dont have to drink distilled water and i wont drink anything else but water, as a rule. i can make my own medicine, know the use of herbs, dont like alcohol or soap or perfume. i love to be in the sun and i like to be active. maybe i should just take a walk like forrest gump and see if anyone tags along? these times are not conducive to the spiritual life. to abandon it all seems like insanity to most people. it makes perfect sense to me. The only thing I have to go by is what you said. Things like "i no longer have the stomach for work i once did and i have no desire to do work that i know will harm myself, my health, or other people and guess what? there isnt much out there." You also said your wife pays for what is there because she doesn't want to live a meager existence. Then in another post you go on to say you don't want to pay into a system that finances things like the war in Iraq. I suppose that is what you mean by not harming others through work you are doing? This is not an issue of health, but of choice. It may have started as a health issue, but you have admitted that you could have returned to work nearly a year ago and choose not to. that really gets your goat, doesnt it? The only thing that bothers me about this is I feel bad for your wife. In addition, you have yet to show how I have misinterpreted the scriptures. Then here is the other problem I have. Since I believe you are the one that is unteachable and refusing to obey the Bible, it is hard to take you serious on other issues. You advise people to eat one meal a day, yet the Bible says that if a man doesn't work, neither should he eat. You refuse to provide for those of your own household, and the Bible says that makes you worse than a non-believer. There is a difference in being persecuted for righteousness sake and being persecuted for doing wrong. By the way, my occupation is truck driver. I have been doing that for the past 11 years. Before that I worked at a Wal-Mart store. the road is so polluted. and if you are a long haul driver, you are away from your family a lot. if you love your family, you must have lots of justification for being away from them. it is said that the concentrated ozone on the roads is responsible for a hyper oxidative stress on the fat in the brain and this is what causes, among other things, road rage. this explains an awful lot. your diet should be raw only. choose your food from as close to the source as possible. eating at restaurants is certain death. you need plenty of citrus for the vitamin C. this helps keep the elastic tissue healthy. your danger is not from a clogged artery so much as a stroke. the vibrations and the fumes will weaken the vascular system. your kidneys must also be looked after with good herbs to support them. do not neglect eating raw nuts. brazil nuts have the vit E and selenium to protect from the oxidative stress. soak all nuts in distilled water at least over night befor eating. this leaches the natural enzyme inhibitors in them out and stirs the life in them. you cant get life from dead food. these are the herbs that will strengthen kidney function - parsley, hydrangea root, marshmallow root, ginger root, uva ursi, black cherry bark, goldenrod and wild oregano. you must stay away from fluorides and mercury, as these will attack your nerve function and metabolism. no metal in your mouth. all food certified organic or you will eat more fluoride than is in fluoridated water by ten times. no microwaves. no teflon cookware, no stainmaster or and such stain protectors/waterproofers. no insect repellent with deet in it. in fact, dont put anything on your skin that you wouldnt eat. your liver needs attention too. i would suggest you eat plenty of plant fats. extra virgin olive oil just before bed will help move bile and stored toxic fat out of the liver. a liver flush is highly recommended. the sign of a clogged liver is a tightness between the shoulders. hot soaks in epsom salts followed by a cold sitz bath will get your lymph moving in the right direction. consider some colonics to get the elimination going regularly. a clean liver means a lot less stress. a lot less. i tell you these things because they are going to be necessary for you to do, now or later. if not at all, then your doctor will be assured his greens fees in the future and you will eventually come to appreciate the effects of morphine. as for me and my wife, you really dont understand. as far as the verse in timothy, check the context. what exactly is supposed to be provided there? just remember, you are opening this can of worms. as far as your job goes, i believe it to be an honorable and dangerous profession. i wish you well, indeed.

You mean sell all you have and follow Christ as the Lord told the rich young ruler? How would one do that today? Thanks, Robert well, robert, i really dont know how a person would go about doing that. i havent held a paying job for the the past 6 years and i dont own anything. i am blessed, if you can call it that, with a wife who pays for what is here and that is her choice because i guess she doesnt want to live a meager existence. i would just as soon live off the land, but that is not available any more. i did that for a while in alaska, but that went the way of many better things i have known in my 47 years. i no longer have the stomach for the work i once did and i have no desire to do work that i know will harm myself, my health, or other people and guess what? there isnt much out there. i am a natural healer and wont go near a doctor. in fact, i could be perfectly fine as homeless. i need no provisions that the lord does not provide. i dont need a shelter - it is much healthier not to be in one. i eat my food raw so i dont need fire. i drink distilled water so that is a burden, but i dont have to drink distilled water and i wont drink anything else but water, as a rule. i can make my own medicine, know the use of herbs, dont like alcohol or soap or perfume. i love to be in the sun and i like to be active. maybe i should just take a walk like forrest gump and see if anyone tags along? these times are not conducive to the spiritual life. to abandon it all seems like insanity to most people. it makes perfect sense to me. The only thing I have to go by is what you said. Things like "i no longer have the stomach for work i once did and i have no desire to do work that i know will harm myself, my health, or other people and guess what? there isnt much out there." You also said your wife pays for what is there because she doesn't want to live a meager existence. Then in another post you go on to say you don't want to pay into a system that finances things like the war in Iraq. I suppose that is what you mean by not harming others through work you are doing? This is not an issue of health, but of choice. It may have started as a health issue, but you have admitted that you could have returned to work nearly a year ago and choose not to. that really gets your goat, doesnt it?

i am not in open disobedience to anyone but you. you can quote scriptures all you want to, that doesnt mean you understand them. and i dont think you are going to accept anything i have to say on the subject. you are not amenable to teaching. you have your mind made up. i only look foolish to the world, i am not an actual fool. on the health issues, i love to sweat. it is indeed necessary for good health. it was not physical activity i was refering to in the quip about the bypass. it is stress that i was targeting. you seem a little worked up for such a young man. you are correct about diet. it is the number one killer in america. the cook does the killing. number two are doctors. medical mistakes are the number one cause of death in america in the published statistics. combine that with those who die in their care anyway and only diet can rule over it, because that is how they all got there. do you want me to add years to your life? no, not more than what the lord is giving you, the ones you are throwing away out of those. eat one meal a day and drink only distilled water. if you start now, that alone should be worth another decade and keep you active through most of it as well. those born in the sixties and 70s are scheduled for about 60 years. the 80s, about 50 years, and those born after 1992 have forty years. take a look in the mirror and see an old man. it would be interesting to know what your job is. taxes. surely you jest. our nation has been had. the economy is a house of cards, the leadership is drunk with power, and the people are poisoned with lies and chemicals and electronics. the sooner this nightmare stops, the better. i have no allegience to this government, this country, or any other world system. there is a lot of death coming. it is necessary because this situation is not sustainable. there is a huge die-off taking place right now in africa. where is the outcry? there are over two million men in prison in america - more than all other countries combined! almost %20 of all black males age 18-25 are in jail in this country. sound good to you? i could talk all night about what is wrong. i refuse to participate in it. i choose to be different, making the world be different by being different myself. by not buying the weed killer for my lawn. by not driving around whenever i want. by not using any of the things that are harming us. the country i grew up in doesnt exist and i dont like the one this has become. the best thing that could happen in this country would be for the population to take it back by boycott. aint gonna happen. its against the law to disrupt commerce. it is terrorism. its ridiculous is what it is. i cant hurt it and it cant hurt me. we are even. but i surely have no desire to support it in the least. so if someone asks me for the money in my pocket, its theirs. i dont have any as it is. and it doesnt buy anything i cant live without. who is going to take care of me? i lived off the land in alaska for three years. and i have the lord to provide. i will be fine no matter what happens. and i will be able to show others as well. soon i will be ready physically. that, to me, will be like noah being finished with the ark. on the day he shut the door, the rain began to fall. this temple which is my body has been in preparation for 47 years now. my year of jubilee is coming soon. the next 50 years should be really interesting. in the words of my buddy bob, are you ready?

a good point and a good thing to keep in mind.

thank you for being real. what i didnt say was the reason i wasnt working - i was too sick to work. this has been a long chapter in my journey, but it has been incredibly fruitful. besides, i said i didnt work for pay. i didnt say i didnt work. my job has been schooling and teaching. it is what the lord has led me to do. how can anyone argue with that? scratch that, im sure someone will find a way. faith comes from practice. You are right. Even if you stopped working because of health reasons originally, the fact you are schooling and teaching in whatever capacity you are, does not take away your God given responsibility to provide for your wife. Also, I went back and re-read your original post where you said you no longer have the stomach for work and would be content to be homeless. You also said that your wife chooses to work because she doesn't want to live that way. I don't blame her, she shouldn't have to. i didnt stop working. there were no openings for a quivering mass of dying flesh. i looked.

butero quote "You are right. Even if you stopped working because of health reasons originally, the fact you are schooling and teaching in whatever capacity you are, does not take away your God given responsibility to provide for your wife. Also, I went back and re-read your original post where you said you no longer have the stomach for work and would be content to be homeless. You also said that your wife chooses to work because she doesn't want to live that way. I don't blame her, she shouldn't have to." thats right. i am not in the american work force. i am not paying for the lie of a war in iraq, the cia deathsqads, the naxi government that is overtaking us, or shoving money into that sinkhole social security scam, none of it. my wife, on the other hand, is highly paid, professional, makes plenty of money, spends it however she pleases, and does so at the expense of the health of other people in the so-called health care industry. she keeps telling me to leave. i will not leave my three children. and she wont divorce me because she needs me to take care of the kids, fix things around the house, and dress me up for when she has some social thing to go to. most women in my position these days end up on prozac and valium and booze. she spends maybe a hundred bucks a month on me. that includes food. i am so kept. your idea that the bible says you have to make money for your wife is a joke. i know what the scripture says, and it doesnt say that. you have been lied to once again, buddy. you better get back to work. youre gonna need the money for that quad bypass. btw, it has been less than a year that i figure i could have entered back into the workforce full time, had i been inclined. thats almost six years of being disabled. and you know what i got from social security? not one dime. you should be pleased. thats 1300 plus bucks a month my family could have used. some security. some entitlement. some insurance. believe me, i learned my lesson. and who are you to say that my inclinations are not guided by god? who do you think you are? i know who i am. i am a nobody. what could i possibly have that you want???

thank you for being real. what i didnt say was the reason i wasnt working - i was too sick to work. this has been a long chapter in my journey, but it has been incredibly fruitful. besides, i said i didnt work for pay. i didnt say i didnt work. my job has been schooling and teaching. it is what the lord has led me to do. how can anyone argue with that? scratch that, im sure someone will find a way. faith comes from practice.

How can not responding be responding? i, in fact, did respond. i told him i do my own translating. i have done so for decades and have had all manner of counsel on the matter. and besides, it was a simple word study initiated by you. i found the words from the greek to be fairly consistently translated in the manner you said. so i tried to determine if there was a difference in how the words were used in the text. then i pointed out that paul seemed to indicate the body was part and parcel of the flesh. i am sure there are deeper connotations, but they are moot to our discussion. the problem i was encountering was your understanding of the flesh. why was man created from the dust of the ground? what is a body of flesh for? what is its purpose? why a physical creation by a god who is spirit? it must be viewed from the perspective of the spirit in order to view it properly. as i said before, i am an expert on human health. this means i am an expert on the human body. have you ever wondered about this verse? # Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. # Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. # 1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. who is the elect? why do they need flesh? what is it about those days that is destroying flesh? well, i believe we are in those days. by dec of 1999 i was so ill that i could do nothing but lay shivering in bed in a fetal position and crying constantly. not a real cozy existence, i can tell you that. i lost my job and then i lost everything else. i sought help from the whitecoats, but they pumped me full of drugs and my condition worsened to the point of death. then i said uncle. i got it. i fired all my doctors and told jesus i would follow where he led. that has been coming up on five years ago and what i have learned would blow anyones mind. i was the canary in the mine and i had almost expired. so i have given up some more info about me in order to let you know that those days are upon us, and not how people think. yes, i have discovered those things that are destroying the flesh of people. i have also discovered the connection between the body and the spirit. in the days of paul, these things did not exist. there was no danger for the body except for the hand of man, ie the sword. things have changed and the danger is in lifestyle, in diet, in chemicals and poisons, in eating food sacrificed to idols and in following after the beast instead of obeying god and being in tune with his creation. the world has been corrupted and evil men have claimed the herds of people for their own. they work them and cull them at will. they mark them for ownership and have them do their will or be destroyed. those days are upon us right now and without listening to the warnings and taking the appropriate action, all flesh will die. those that will survive beyond these days will be those who repent, who change their ways, who obey their god and his word, who cling to his promises instead of trusting in the world. and the funny thing, the people who listen to me, they are not professing christians necessarily. and the ones who are, they recieve the worst treatment from their fellow christians. they are despised and rejected for what they believe. yet these people keep getting healthier, looking younger, have more energy, dont get sick, and have the closest spiritual connection of their lives. they are able to do for others and weather their personal storms with much more ease. they are more at peace, less anxious, more productive, and happier than they have ever been. their faith grows with every day, as does mine. i am no longer afraid of anything that seems to bother other people - terrorism, nuclear war, disease, famine, chemical attacks... shucks, i am aware of weapons that are being tested that people are not aware of and that cant be detected when in use. and, i know that there are ways to defend against those and that the lord will show me when the time comes. i have the ability to treat any disease - none of them are that hard. but guess what? its illegal for me to treat disease. it is illegal for me to give medical advice. what does that say about our system? but, what do i know.

apothanein kerdos, ignoring something IS a valid response, whether its the response you like or not. do you always try to bully people you dont agree with?

what doesnt make any sense is people who claim to know the truth not recognizing it when they hear it. you all keep trying to engage me in a conversation about ME! kill the messenger so you dont have to deal with the message - didnt work for the jews so why are you trying it? so roberts initial questions to me were not questions looking for answers, they were fishing expeditions. so when i answer openly and honestly, then my words are used to attack me. another ancient ploy. doesnt satan have any new tricks? is that all he can be is a slanderer and false accuser? do you think i am doing this for amusement? believe me, i would have just as soon sat above your city and watched the destruction from a comfortable spot. i have plenty to do, believe me. i am doing what i am supposed to do. got any other rocks to throw?

you assume way too much. your paradigm has your thinking trapped. gods plan is perfect and is working exactly according to his plan and no human can stand in its way. any attempt to do so simply works in the opposite manner. there is only one dichotomy here: a creation telling a creator the way things are. the only way out of that trap is to die to self and become a child again and learn from the master and not man and his lies. the dichotomy is a person claiming to follow someone who said everyone needs to change and yet being so resistant to change. that really makes no sense whatsoever.

Just because something bad happens does not mean it is part of God's ultimate plan. It also doesn't mean He won't use it. We often forget that God allows us the ability in certain cases to act on our own free will. how could you forget something like that? my god is in control. its called taking my free will and choosing to serve him, also known as a bondservant. it takes a tremendous ego to think god can be surprised by a man.

You mean sell all you have and follow Christ as the Lord told the rich young ruler? How would one do that today? Thanks, Robert well, robert, i really dont know how a person would go about doing that. i havent held a paying job for the the past 6 years and i dont own anything. i am blessed, if you can call it that, with a wife who pays for what is here and that is her choice because i guess she doesnt want to live a meager existence. i would just as soon live off the land, but that is not available any more. i did that for a while in alaska, but that went the way of many better things i have known in my 47 years. i no longer have the stomach for the work i once did and i have no desire to do work that i know will harm myself, my health, or other people and guess what? there isnt much out there. i am a natural healer and wont go near a doctor. in fact, i could be perfectly fine as homeless. i need no provisions that the lord does not provide. i dont need a shelter - it is much healthier not to be in one. i eat my food raw so i dont need fire. i drink distilled water so that is a burden, but i dont have to drink distilled water and i wont drink anything else but water, as a rule. i can make my own medicine, know the use of herbs, dont like alcohol or soap or perfume. i love to be in the sun and i like to be active. maybe i should just take a walk like forrest gump and see if anyone tags along? these times are not conducive to the spiritual life. to abandon it all seems like insanity to most people. it makes perfect sense to me. btw, jesus is the truth and he is the same yesterday, today, and forever. everything he said has been in application since he spoke it. i have had too many people tell me too many lies about what the bible says. god is able to speak to me through his word just fine and it is quite clear to me what it says, and what it does not say. in fact, i know it backwards and forwards. Well, let's go over a few things: * You have no job and therefore are not contributing to culture, thus violating the Cultural Mandate of scripture given to man * You are not providing for your wife which means you are violating Ephesians and not being the head of the household * You do not go to doctors who have been gifted with a mind that understands the body, a mind and knowledge created and given by God What spiritual life are you trying to promote? By trying to become spiritual it seems you have become the opposite. I do not mean to judge you, but you did bring up your personal life, and I think it is worth evaluating. Secondly, as I already pointed out, the verse you keep refering to about the rich young ruler you are taking way out of context. Look to the context of what Jesus is saying. Notice that in the synoptic Gospels he does not list all of the commandments, only the commandments that deal with how we interact with humans. Jesus is saying all of this tongue-in-cheek (notice what He says right after the question, "No one is good but God..." is Jesus really saying He's not good? ). With that in mind, the young man says, "Yeah, I have kept all of the commandments." So Jesus responds with, "Good, sell your posessions and give them to the poor, then you are complete." When he does not, he has proven that he has not kept these commandments, and the disciples understand this. How has he not kept them? He did not love his neighbor and he coveted....and in doing so broke the entire law. His actions proved that he had not done this. Which brings Jesus to say that nothing is possible through our own effort, it is only possible through God. The lesson here is not that we HAVE to give up everything, the lesson is that we must do everything through God, that we cannot accomplish good on our own. you have proven to me that you dont understand the scriptures. there is no way you could understand me. i was trying to give an idea to robert about how i have become estranged from the world. i want to thank you for strengthening my resolve to remain so. i want no part of your world. it is quite apparent it lusts for a piece of me, however.

AK quote "The tree was created for choice, not to "set up" anything." you cant have it both ways. either god had a plan and knew what he was doing or he didnt. as for the body and the flesh, it has become a moot point. i did get a good word study out of it and will continue it on my own. i do my own translating.