Rober H

The bible teaches that man was created from the dust of the ground. It does not teach that man evolved from slime. I believe the bible and reject evolution. A Christian should reject Theistic evoulution and any church that teaches otherwise is deceived. Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Evolution called "theistic" or otherwise is a lie. Christians should not cater to atheists to make God more palatable to them. Psalms 53:1 To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The purpose of this thread is to defend and discuss the gospel and show how easily it can be perverted. Paul seemed to think it was an important issue. The church today is too worried about "getting along" to care. Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Why is it discussing when someone tears down the belief in eternal security but bashing when someone defends the gospel against those who present another? Has anyone read the Statement of Faith in this forum?

Salvation and the gospel of Christ are in the bible. We are to believe God's word not the teachings of a church. We are saved by grace through faith. We are not under law. Christians certainly are not under Roman Catholic law. Galatians 3:10-14 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Rome has another gospel which is not another. For bible believing Christians to join Rome's ecumenical movement would be a betrayal of the cross. The reformation was not an out flow from Rome but a return to biblical principles. There is no "Pope" in the bible.

I am not Catholic bashing. When you believe the gospel you are in the church. You are not saved by the church. I do not agree with you at all. Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Leonard

"Basing itself on scripture and tradition, it teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk. 16:16; Jn. 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it." (Vol. 1, pp. 365 and 366) Vatican II It certainly would appear that the above quotes teach salvation through and in the church rather than Christ. This next quote from the Council of Trent is an example of "adding to the gospel" which makes it "another gospel which is not another". There are many things which can "pervert the gospel of Christ". This is but one. Paul was so emphatic on warning the church he repeated it twice. Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Satan disguised himself as an angel of light and so does his ministers. Much if not most of the church which should be well versed in Satan's tactics are falling hook line and sinker for every heresey the comes down the pike. 2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Things will get so bad that Jesus asked this question. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? No man should be above rebuke or correction but I am amazed at how many people are shocked when their favorite televangelist or a person with a popular ministry is even questioned. If Peter was not above rebuke or critisism where does that leave the rest of us? Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Matthew 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Today there are men that are "untouchable" by many in the church. If there name is even associated with error the one pointing it out is called "unloving, judgemental, or holier than thou". No wonder Satan has free reign in this world. Where are the watchmen?

If a book or gospel is not a part of the 66 books in the bible then it is neither one of the gospels nor is it the innerant word of God. For instance a bible commentary,website or book may contain truth but it is not scripture.

Isaiah 38:17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back.

Ecumenism leads to Universalism and in my opinion is setting up the world for the coming one world religion of the anti-christ.

1 John 5:13-15 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. Knowing that we have eternal life and that God hears me us is a great comfort.

Good points. I call anyone who believes the gospel a brother or sister if they believe the basic tenants of the Christian faith too. I am not a Charismatic or a Pentecostal but I believe most of them are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am not a Roman Catholic (I am an ex-Catholic) but I believe it is possible for a Catholic to be saved in spite of their churches false teachings. I will not evangelize with Roman Catholics because Rome has "another gospel which is not another". Rome has added a long list of laws to be saved and for me to put these teachings aside for the sake of unity would be wrong. I will not witness nor fellowship with Mormon's or many other groups that claim to be Christian. Being a member of a particular denomination will certainly not save us. I don't care if a person is a Baptist, a Luthern or goes to a Calvary Chapel if they don't believe the pure undefiled gospel they are not saved.

Good advice Tah!

We need to get to what the true gospel is. Adding sacraments or man made laws to the gospel will not save us only the pure undefiled gospel will. For instance this infamous pope added to the gospel. Contrast this with the true gospel. Notice that being subject to the tyrant of Rome is not part of what saves us. 1Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Does anyone see the Pope's name mentioned in the following verses? Acts 4:10-12 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the NAME OF JESUS, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED. Should bible believing Christians unite in sharing the gospel with those who promote "another gospel" which is not another?