Natt

It is when it is forced and to a man usually a lot older than the bride. Read http://helpthechildbrides.com/stories/rubyjess.htm or some in http://helpthechildbrides.com/stories.htm and you will see the abuse in this FLDS sect. Also what about the boys known as "Lost Boys" see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger Who are the "lost boys"? Among those purged from the sect are between 400 and 1,000 teenage boys and young men. The FLDS describes them as delinquents. Utah authorities say they were thrown out to make more girls available as wives for older men in the sect. The whole situation is sickening.

Why I ask this is because I watched a movie title 'The exorcism of Emily Rose' which is based on the true story of Anneliese Michel. The priests involed in the exorcism believed she was possessed but others believed she was Mentally Ill. Anneliese's symptoms have since been compared with those of schizophrenia.

Just got a question about Exorcism and Mental Illness. How can someone know if someone is possessed by a demon or are just mentally ill who needs some medication?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/20...89520-20333034/ Jersey children's home hell: Victims of Haut de la Garenne tell their story Victoria Ward And Don Mackay In Jersey Victoria.Ward@Mirror.Co.Uk 27/02/2008 Pamela's story I was drugged, beaten and sexually abused ..what went on there was cruel, sadistic, evil A woman who spent her early teens at the Jersey children's home yesterday told how she used to be drugged, beaten and sexually abused there. Mum-of-two Pamela, now 49, spoke out after it emerged that ankle shackles, stocks and canes had been found at Haut de la Garenne, once home to 1,000 vulnerable children. Advertisement Pamela said that every night staff pulled cowering children from their beds and battered and raped them. She added: "The things that happened there are indescribable, the most cruel, sadistic and evil acts you could think of." She was among victims who have spoken out after a child's skull was found under a concrete floor at the home - known locally as Colditz. Police fear more bodies may be buried there and six search areas have been pinpointed by a dog trained to sniff out human remains. Yesterday builder Robert Boutillier said: "We found some shackles lying around the grounds. "They were for children's ankles, you could see that. We also found a pile of about five large canes." The courts sent Pamela to the home when she was 13 because her mother was violent towards her. She tried to escape several times and was seen as a "troublesome" child and given Valium to kill her spirit. She spent her time in dazed confusion. Her memories are hard to cope with but she believes that it was in this blurred state that she was violated. She said staff were "predators". They would throw parties and invite outsiders. Pamela recalls: "We would try and lie still in our beds and not attract attention. They came and got kids and took them away for a while. Rape was rife in all ages, both boys and girls." The teenagers would get cigarettes and booze from staff in exchange for sex. Pamela was regularly locked naked in a 10ft sq punishment cell for days for end. She was groped and beaten by a frightening 6ft man she believes was the home's deputy head, now dead. She said: "He was always sweaty and smelt of beer. He would touch me sexually. He would slam me against a wall and say things like 'you're developing into a nice little woman, aren't you?'" Male and female staff would abuse the children, grabbing their breasts or privates or spitting on them. Kids were encouraged to rape each other. Pamela said: What makes it worse is these acts were practiced on vulnerable and often troubled children with nowhere to go and nobody to turn to." Pamela, who still lives in Jersey, has scars from where she cut herself in the hope it would end her torment. She added: "I have blurry memories that still disturb me. I was stripped and male staff put their hands between my legs and held my breasts." The staff took their favourites alone to beauty spots. One lad, Paul Fossey, was befriended by a priest. Pamela recalls: "He came to the home and told Paul he'd teach him to swim. They'd go out all day. But something happened. Paul changed. He became moody. He was never the same." He died from a heroin overdose five years ago. Children would disappear and staff would say they had gone to a family or emigrated. No one would hear from them again. Pamela said: "If you kept asking where they had gone they would get angry. You kept your head down." Pamela blew the whistle in 1974 but no one listened. A year later she was moved to a psychiatric unit and left when she was 16. Yesterday a card left with flowers at the local church read: "We children of Haut de la Garenne have waited a long time. We knew one day someone would listen." Did you live or work at the home? Call the newsdesk on 0800 282591 or email us at mirrornews@mirror.co.uk Torture left me terrified to go to bed Union worker Peter Hannaford, who grew up at the home, said he was abused almost every night. Peter, 59, said: "I was scared to go to bed. The abuse was anything from rape to torture. "It was men and women who abused us. It was dark so you would never know who it was." Peter, who spent the first 12 years of his life at Haut de la Garenne, added: "You were threatened with punishment if you said anything, which could be a whip or anything." He said it has traumatised him and called for the building to be flattened. He added: "When all this came out it really tore me apart and brought back a hell of memories. You would be sleeping then your arms would be held down... Most of the time it was the other kids, encouraged by the staff. It was all the time, it was every night." Fear made me twice try suicide Married businessman John tried to kill himself after being sexually assaulted and beaten. He spent two years of hell at the home in the mid-1960s from the age of 12. John, 54, said: "It was just one long nightmare. "I was frightened to death most of the time." He tried to escape and attempted suicide twice. He recalls being made to bathe with male friends every night. John added: "After drying ourselves, we were all made to stand in a line, naked," he said. Then predatory male staff would move on them. "He would walk along, inspecting our genitals, touching us. "If any of us flinched, or tried to cover up, he would hit us across our privates with his stick. My escape in leap out of window Cyril Turner, 48, had been at the home for two weeks in the early 1970s when, as a 13-year-old, he jumped from a second-floor window to escape the regime of violence and fear. He said: "Some kids you saw again and some you wouldn't - we never really knew what happened to them. "We were told a lot of them had run off and emigrated, which looking back was a bit odd. "We were quite often given dead arms and dead legs by the staff. "I remember being frog-marched around the place. "If you were bad, you would get locked in a dark room with just bread and water. "A lot of the staff there would be very physical - kids were thrown round a lot."

Thanks for your replies. Damo I may be moving too. It is going to be a huge change for me but I feel God is leading. Cheers Natt

Just can also mean morally correct but fair can mean in accordance with the rules or what is expected. If someone is brought up in poverty, and another in wealth, to me that is not showing fairness. Another example is health. Why do some people have poor health and others good health. Then why are some children born handicap and most not? The list can go on. But a just God isn't bias. He loves all of us equally. He judges us fairly. James 2:1-4 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism.Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

It is either that or living in sin. The scared bit is about leaving where I am comfortable.

I can understand the thinking here. As an employer though they need to make sure their work place is safe. I dont think having a worker stoned is the ideal most employers would like. However a lot of people who have drug/alcohol problems are running away from something. Maybe drug rehabilitation would be a better demand for these types of people.

Thanks for all your comments. I feel really blessed that God has given me this wonderful man. I am nervous but happy at the same time. I will be going to premarital counselling. Thank you all Natt

We were going out on and off in that time. more recently though it was him who came to my comfort when I got in a bad situation. He has always been there for me. We know there will be those against us. I have finally came to realise that I need this guy. Marriage actually scares me but as a Christian I don't have much choice.

He is from Samoa and I was brought up in New Zealand by English parents. We have known each other for over 10 years. He is from a very male dominated culture(compared to me) and my upbringing was more liberal. His culture is also different in the Extended family values where I was brought up with a nuclear family environment.

Hi everyone, I am getting married. Date not set yet. I am marrying someone who is a different race from me . He is a Christian. Has anyone got any advice about interracial marriages. Natt

The love in this scripture is Agape, which is the love that is born of God. We cannot possess this type of love unless we have faith in God. Love for one another that non-believers also possess is refered to as Phileo.

The law was to point to Jesus. Without the law we would not know what sin was Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. We are meant to keep the moral laws by living by the spirit. We do not need to keep all the OT laws. E.g Jews are allowed to associate with Gentiles.. Acts 10:28 He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean. Also all the law we need to obey is fulfilled by loving our neighbour as ourselves Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. I see it as, we are not under the Old covenant but under the new covenant. We are also free from the law, but only by living in the spirit. If we live by loving each other we should fulfill all the law. Galatians 5:13-14 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.