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muttly asked, "Are you in a mixed racial marriage? " yes. muttly asked, "what are some hard issues you face? What language/s do you speak?" I use to face hard issues, but now I don't seem to face many. I speak English :sarcasm: . He also asked, "Are you in a mixed faith marriage? " no, thank God. Now *that* would be a *genuine* mixed marraige :butbut: . muttly asked,"How are you coping? do you have advice or warnings on mixed marriages?" We are doing pretty well, thank you. Yes. If you are a christian, don't marry a romanist. Don't marry anybody who is not a Christian .

Sin is any want[lack] of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God. "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 Jn.3.4 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them... And the law is not of faith: but, the man that doeth them shall live in them." Gal.3.10,12

Will asked, "Yet all admit it is what saves us . . . but from what?" You answered this question correctly on Apr.3rd- "Salvation is from SIN".

Rosanne wrote, "There is a verse in the OT where God tells us that he dosen't go for any self-confidence. Yet,I cannot remember where this verse that God dosen't go for any self-confidence in the OT is? " "...but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at My word." Is.66.2 "The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: He bringeth low, and lifteth up." 1 Sam.2.7 "Though the Lord be high, yet hath He respect unto the lowly: but the proud He knoweth afar off." Ps.138.6 "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man." Ps.118.8 "For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. ...Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for Whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,..." Phil.3.3f She said, "I cannot find a verse that I have searched for for awhile now. It is where Moses tells God that he can no longer put up with the children of Israel. And,God says,"I know these people,they are stubborn stiff-necked people or something like that. Well,Moses was so fed up that he asked God to let him die already. And,what I like about God's answer is that He did'nt try to make Moses feel guilty for the way he felt or something like that. " "And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the Rock(see 1 Cor.10.4), and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice:..." Num.20.11 "I am not able to bear all this people alone, because it is too heavy for me. And if Thou deal thus with me, kill me, I pray Thee, out of hand,... ...I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee,..." Num.11.14f "And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let Me alone, that My wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation..." Ex.32.9f Moses stood 'in the gap' for Israel, and thus was a picture of Christ.

I am holy(although I don't feel holy) because of what Christ has done for my soul :inlove: . I am a Christian.

Exchristian said, "no more am I going to be "hating" in the name of Jesus Christ." Whose name will you be hating in? Do you think you are better now ? Did you think that being a christian would make you sinless? Are you sinless, now? Are you ready to go to hell? The most loving thing that anyone could tell you is, 'You must part with your love of sinning, or you must part with any comfort or joy for all eternity.' Run (do not walk), but, run to Jesus. He is your only hope. You said, "Sure, I might go to hell ..., but frankly, looking at all the christians I've met and heard, I don't think my Heaven would be there Heaven." There is only one Heaven, its described in the Bible. There is one hell, also. Is the prospect of going there acceptable to you? Unless you run to Jesus, you must go there.

The site seems to be an attack on the Authorized (KJV) Version. One printer's error does not establish a seperate version of the King James .

Yes. I am saved. Yes, the Lord took control. The saving was His doing. I didn't have a vote in it, only an 'amen' . I love my brother. Thanks for the good advice.

Blake, Thanks for the info :thumb: .

Answer to 1st q. We must distinguish between the outward calling and the inward one. When the sinner opens a Bible, and reads; or, when he goes to church(maybe twice a year), and hears the preacher telling him to repent; or, when he picks up a gospel tract, and reads it; he is receiving an outward call- "For many are called, but few are chosen." Mt.22.14 This outward calling can be, and often is, ignored by the sinner. But there is another calling in the pages of scripture. And it cannot be ignored. It has most often in history been referred to as 'effectual calling', or 'irresistible grace'. It always accomplishes the purpose that God sent it for- "So shall my word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Is.55.11 "No man can come to Me, except the Father...draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." Jn.6.44 That's a promise. No ifs, ands, or buts, about it. God said it, and that settles it. "All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me;..." v.37 "...but the Spirit giveth life." 2 Cor.3.6 "Of His own will begat He us..." Jas.1.18 Not our will, but His. "And shall put My Spirit in you, and ye shall live,..."Ezek.37.14 "Yea, before the day was I am He; and there is none that can deliver out of My hand: I will work, and who shall let it?" Is.43.13 "...them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified:..." Rom.8.30 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Rom.11.29 Rather definite, isn't it? 2nd q. Hopefully the verses above show that we are entirely passive, as concerns the effectual calling. We do not act, but we are acted upon. Only after the Spirit comes into the sinner at his new birth will there be any saving faith. For faith is God's gift to the sinner- "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,...faith..." Gal.5.22 3rd q. If you are referring to John 6.29, it says that believing is "the work of God". I do not deny that believing is the work of God.

Racer asked, "Who do you think the "us" and "we" are? Do you claim this statement refers to individual people. " In reference to Eph.1, the "us' and "we" are "the saints"(v.1), those who have been "accepted in the Beloved"(v.6), those redeemed "through His blood'(v.7). They are individuals which make up 'all those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only', as the old Confession says. You added, "Yes. We are called by God. But, He may not choose to call you or me until we're 50. " Then we agree that the Lord is absolutely sovereign in calling His people!? Racer said, "Your pretty good at hiding your sarcasm with sweetness. " There is no sweetness in me, but in God's words there is(Ps.119.103). But thanks for being kind. You added, "I hope you won't be offended, but having observed both of your (yours and Karen's) posts, clearly she is the most learned. Knowledge is one thing. Discernment is another. To actually follow His Word with humility and love is a little harder than being able to quote Scripture." You are so right. I think it very kind of you to defend Karen C. Racer wrote, "And sometimes it's good if we at least attempt to follow our own advice. " "Like I said, sometimes it is wise to heed your own advice" You're right. You said, "That's funny. Clearly I'm not as impressed by jipsah as you. Just by observing his attitude, he clearly is not very knowledgeable of Scripture." We are not able to 'observe his attitude', nor judge his motives. That's the Lord's business. Ours is to seek to be an encourager of those who faithfully wield 'the sword of the Spirit'. Be careful that you do not offend one of these 'little ones that belong to Christ'. If you will be a blessing to the Lord's faithful servants, your reward shall not be forgotten . You asked, "What I know, I have been shown by the Lord. What doctrines is it you think I have bias towards." You are biased against the Bible's doctrine of Predestination and Election. You argue for a works-salvation in your posts. I think that you would despise this system of works in Rome's teachings, but you have adopted a similar 'method of salvation' in your own thinking and trusting. There is a gross inconsistency in this. You would honor the Lord more, if you would embrace the biblical doctrines of grace in salvation. Do you agree that the Lord is sovereign? Racer wrote, "It appears to me, that you are seeking to glorify jipsah" When we love the Lord, we love those who are the Lord's (1 Jn.5.1). It is our privelege to try to be an encouragement to His faithful ones. "...honour to whom honour. Owe no man anything, but to love one another:..." Rom.13.7,8 You added, "Clearly, that's what you and jipsah have set out to do.(In reference to glorifying ourselves.)" We do not glorify ourselves, but our Lord. This is the point of our discussion. If we have chosen God(before He saved us), then we would glorify ourselves. After all, many have not chosen Him. We must receive some credit ,or merit, for our salvation. Its useless to argue otherwise. The fact would remain, that we freely 'faithed Him', or made 'a decision' to give Jesus 'a chance'. But the very point which Jipsah, and I, are contending for is that we were not seeking the Lord, but He found us. He didn't choose us because we were smarter, or better, or holier, than the ungodly. I was, and am, unworthy to be be loved.- "...the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set His love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number... But because the Lord loved you, and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn..." Deut.7.6-8

I tend to agree with Ephriam. We *need* to know that Jacob, the Supplanter, was saved. We can identify with the sinner/supplanter, and it is a wondrerful comfort to know that *even* Jacob can be saved. "The God of JACOB is our refuge..! It doesn't say the God of Israel..! Israel is the NEW man..Jacob is the OLD man...! IF the God of Israel (new man)..is our refuge then we ALL need to change first before we get the blessing from God..! But thank God..that it is the OLD man..the "Jacob" type man..the unfinshed..not yet changed man..That takes refuge in God..and GOD does the changing..for us..!"

Chazn wrote, "Note: When one worships "God" it is imperitive that it be the "right" GOD." You said a mouthful there! Welcome to the boards. BTW, that was a pretty good post . Eph said, "Eph writes... the only way of salvation is through Jesus Christ.. Mormons don't place their FAITH in him...So the answer is clear..!" Ephriam strikes again. But you are right . I have a question: Can we expect to get the true scoop on Mormonism from an LDS site? or the truth about Rome from an RC site? or the correct understanding from any site that has been set up to cause us to believe that 'we all worship the same God, and we are all going to Heaven, we are all brothers and sisters(no matter what you believe),etc'.,etc.?? It may be true that we can get some value from reading these sites, but you would have to read between the lines so often in order to see what they are *really* saying .

Astralis said, "Elect, We should probably start it on a new thread if it isn't about Saved or saved then lost. It's up to you.' Its Carl's thread. He started it. Its up to him .