Renaa

Baptism will save no one only Jesus death on the cross will save from sin, That is why Jesus died so that we may be saved, we are baptised to show the world that we have died to sin and have risen in newness of life in Jesus Christ.

Losing versus Forfeiting The issue is the confusion over "losing" salvation versus forfeiting salvation. As we will see as we examine the verses that have been used to "prove unconditional security", these verses say exactly what they mean, that there is literally nothing that can separate us from the love of God and there is no one who can snatch us out of the Father's hand. In terms of things - neither death nor life, nor present nor future, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation. In terms of other beings, not Satan, not another person or an angelic being - no OTHER being can take us out of the father's hand. However, none of these things or other beings Scripturally or logically preclude a believer choosing to fall away (which is man's perspective) from the Lord and thereby fall away (God's perspective) from Him (Luke 8:13)! scripture teaches that the only one who can forfeit salvation, by definition, is the person who possess it (John 15:1-6; Luke 8:13; Luke 12:10; Heb. 3:12&19; Heb. 10:26&29; 2 Pet. 2:20-21). No one or nothing can force the believer to lose his salvation. God will never ever stop loving us, but there are many who have turned from God and continued on in sin and stopped loving God, it would have been better if they had never been saved. Scripture says no one who puts his hands to the plow and looks back is fit for the Kingdom of God. God Bless

youre pretty much going back to the Old Testament way of thinking. Jews had to sacrfice, etc. to show a "mutual relationship...." this is what Paul pleads to all the Jews in most of the epistles about not going back to. you may not be sacrficing animals at the temple but you sure are supporting that the relationship is a two-way street. it is backtracking and these supporters of works were called Judaizers.

I agree with you 100% Tah, I believe God chose Bush for such a time as this He has had a lot on his back since winning the election, not many men or women could do any better than he has

No I do not believe OSAS....There are just to many warnings in God's word about turning our backs on Him and what will happen if we do. If the teaching OSAS was biblical God would not have needed to warn us. (John 15:6 NIV) If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV) [26] If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, [27] but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. You can't claim salvation through faith in Jesus Christ and live like the world. If you do then you are part of the world and have no part in Christ. I am not saying that a Christian will never stumble and fall into sin, but their life will not be characterized by sin, or they are not a Christian. (James 4:4 NIV) You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. Look very closely at this passage from James. First it shows choice; "anyone who chooses..." Then it says "becomes an enemy of God." Those two statements are vitally important. Sinners (non-believers) do not choose to be friends with the world, they are the world. Next, sinners (non-believers) do not become enemies of God, they were born enemies of God, just like all us of were. So what is James saying? He is saying that if you are a Christian yet you choose to be friends with the world, meaning to indulge in the sins of the world and live as the world, then you become an enemy of God. He is referring to people who choose to follow the world instead of following Christ. Don't let people fool you about this, you can't walk away from Christ and still retain your position in heaven.

If your friend had a reason to question the financial records then I can see where the pastor was probably wrong by denying her access, I have never has a reason to question I feel we are to pay out tithes and offering to the Lord and that is doing our part that God requires and if the church (Pastor) misuses it then God will deal with him/them sooner or later. Renaa