boblandis

I AM FREE FROM FAILURE for "I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me." Phil. 4:13 I AM FREE FROM WANT for "my God shall supply all my need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus" Phil. 4:19 I AM FREE FROM FEAR for "God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Tim. 1:7 I AM FREE FROM DOUBT for "God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith." Rom. 12:3 I AM FREE FROM WEAKNESS, "the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?" Ps. 27:1 I AM FREE FROM THE POWER OF SATAN "because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world." 1Jn 4:4 I AM FREE FROM DEFEAT, "Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ." 2 Cor. 2:14 I AM FREE FROM IGNORANCE, "for Christ Jesus is made unto me wisdom from God." 1 Cor 1:30 I AM FREE FROM SIN "for the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST cleanseth me from all sin." 1 Jn. 1:7 I AM FREE FROM WORRY "for I am to cast all my cares upon Him." 1 Pet. 5:7 I AM FREE FROM BONDAGE "for where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Cor. 3:17 I AM FREE FROM CONDEMNATION, "for there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spririt. Rom 8:1

Please believe me, I am anything but a know it all. I am definitely not the most intelligent person in the world. these televangelists motives are easy for me to distinguish after me and my friends had a run in with the likes of Ted Armstrong growing up in California. It would be too long to explain here but I could tell you how the intricate workings go on behind the scenes of what seems to be good works. I have horror stories that I can tell you for hours. All of the heretic televangelists have character patterns that are the same if you take the time to study them. The only reason I say anything about them at all is I still have the memories of many hurt people and families still etched in my mind until this day.

Good job Prime and Timothy.

Could someone answer this one question for me? Why is pointing out heresy and apostacy disguised as Christianity judging? Are we supposed to just sit back and say nothing as people are deceived and remain lost for eternity? Why don't we just praise satan for his good works then. Heck if we tried to tell people the truth about his plot to have us worship him as a god, that would be judging him. Can't do that, it is politically incorect.

Wisdom' Ever hear about the Great White Throne Of Judgement?

Well, having the big mouth that I do :biggrin: I will state my opinion. I have absolutely no tolerance for the likes of stations such as TBN. Funny you mention Benny Hinn who is on same station. I will use him as an example. Benny Hinn claims to be a faith healer. This is unbiblical and heretical. If Benny has a genuine gift of healing from God, why aren't the hospitals in the country empty? He has stated over and over again that Jesus has appeared to him and spoken to him. Another Saul Of Tarsus? I would say more like John Smith. I will give credit where credit is due. I do not doubt that people have been saved watching his show. Do I credit Benny for this? Nope. I credit God himself. Only God has that inert ability to use evil for good. Benny uses religion (I won't call what he does Christianity) as a occupation. He only does it for the money. He has probably bilked well-meaning naive people out of millions over the years. How he mixes Christianity with hinduism and gets away with it I will never know.

Truth is found in the Bible. If God said it is, then it is the truth.

The Book of Revelation is a book of prophecy not history.

I don't get this stuff at all. All I see you doing is changing the spiritual to the worldly. Jesus does not have an ego. Ego's are for us sinners that think we know more then we do and to boost our self-esteem. God is supreme, he has no need of an ego. Secondly, if our own ego's are getting in the way of serving God the way we should, we better repent and change before He does the changing for us.

How close are we? TOO CLOSE!

Sorry, I think Bible code is a crock.

I see nothing wrong with t-shirts at all.

George, What was meant by revelation was prophesy outside of the Bible. I assume that Mr. Abrams was on the same page as myself and meant to include modern day prophets claiming new revelations (prophesies) directly from God. My defense of the last statement is that the Bible is prophetically complete all the way until eternity in heaven.

GreenEyedLady, Don't give up. Even if she doesn't call you again, keep praying. Do not cease.

Is God Still Giving Men Revelation Today? by Cooper Abrams First what is revelation? Revelation is according to the Bible God communicating Himself and His plan for man. There are to types of revelation: Special and General. General revelation applies to the knowledge of God that comes from looking at nature and the universe. We can see God's handiwork in the universe and thus know that it was created by design. "The heavens declare the glory of God," (Psa. 19:1) Rom 1:20, says that all (men) can see it and are therefore without excuse as to the existence of God. Special revelation is God speaking directly to man, and that revelation being written under the "inspiration" of God, the Holy Spirit. (2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21) Special revelation is God's specific information and instructions to man. The question is did God stop giving Special revelation and if so when? Biblical Christians believe that God completed the progress of revelation with the writing of the Book of Revelation. They conclude that in the 66 Books of the Bible, God has said everything to man He desired to say and God's revelation to man was completed by 95 A.D. when the Apostle John finished the Book of Revelation. Further the Biblical Christian believes that God is not speaking or giving new revelation today. He is however, illuminating His written and preserved Word for believers. Illuminating means that God is giving understanding of the principles of the Bible and these principles are totally sufficient to guide men in all matters of life and in any decisions that believers need to make. Thus there is no need of further revelation because the Bible as 2 Tim. 3:16 says, is "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." It is vital to understand that because we have the written revelation of God, the Bible, we do not need current revelation. The revelation God has given is totally adequate to instruct us in the things of God today. Not having God giving modern revelation in no way means we are lacking anything from God. The Bible as will be seen is absolutely completely and covers any subject or circumstance a man might encounter addressing matters directly or through guiding principles. I. The Canonization of the Bible Speaks Against God Giving New Revelation. One of the strongest evidences against God giving new revelation today is that the Bible was canonized by the early churches. The completeness of the Scriptures was recognized by the early Christians in the sixty six Books of the Old and New Testament. All other "supposed" scripture has been universally rejected as being the Word God. The word "canon" is a derivative of the Greek word, "kanon" and the Hebrew word, "kaneh" and refers to a "reed" or measuring rod or ruler. It is used in Christianity to a means of measuring the authenticity of Word of God, the Bible. The process of determining the "canon" of Scripture was the process of ascertaining which books that men purported to be God's revelation were indeed God's revelation. Many books that are not found in the canon of Scripture (the 66 Books of the Old and New Testament) were alleged to from God. Of such books were the Apocryphal and pseudepigraphal books and the so-called "lost books." The process of canonization was the procedure by which the churches discovered by examination which books were indeed given by inspiration of God and which were counterfeit. It was not the churches that determined which books were authentic, but the churches discovered what books God had given by inspiration through the process of careful and scholarly examining of the text of each of these works. There are several standards that a book must have to be concerned as inspired of God and thus included in the canon. These standards are based on the very nature of God Himself in that He could not lie and thus any thing written under the inspiration of God would not be contradictory. The rules used to examine a supposed book of the Bible was as follows: 1. It must be written by a prophet or one of the Apostles of Jesus Christ. No books written after the last Apostles died are included in the canon. The criteria for determining a true prophet is found in Deut. 18:20-22, and 13:1-3. (1) He must claim to speak what God has revealed to him. (2) The true Old Testament prophet of God must predict the future and it come to past exactly as prophesied. (3) His message must be in accord or harmony with the reveled word and will of God. If the message contradicts Scripture even if accompanied with miracles he is to be rejected. (4) He must lead people toward God, not away from Him. In regard to the New Testament, a writer of Scripture must be an Apostle, being a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ, or one who worked closely with Jesus or an Apostle such as James, Mark and Luke. 2. It must be authoritative, meaning must claim to be revelation from God such as "thus saith the Lord." The book must show evidence of being inspired by the Holy Spirit. 3. It must be authentic, meaning written by the person who claimed to the author. 4. It must be widely or universally recognized and accepted as the Word of God. The early Christians accepted certain books as Scripture without question. They had first hand knowledge of their authenticity. Later those who were taught by the Apostles also attested to the genuineness of certain books. 5. It had life-transforming power. The Word of God when believed will without exception transform the life of the believer. That transformation will be supernatural in nature and be directed toward living by the principles found in the God's Word. 6. Does the book give evidence of inspiration. In simple terms was what it says in agreement with the other books of the Bible. If within the book where are found contradictions or inconsistencies with other parts of God's Word then it is to be rejected because God is the God of order and truth and cannot contradict Himself. The book must be accurate. Most Bible scholars believe that the canon of the New Testament was complete by 100 A.D. That means that those who had first hand knowledge and were eye witnesses were those who recognized the canon of the twenty seven books of the New Testament. It was 200 years later that the twenty seven books of the New Testament were recognized by all as the canon. The main reason was that during that time new books were offered as Scripture, but in the end the early recognition of the twenty seven books was confirmed and the spurious books were rejected. Can modern "scriptures" compare with the Bible? The Koran, the Book of Mormon, and a host of other so called "scriptures" have been presented as being later revelation from God. However, when these books are subjected to the even the simplest of tests they are found to be instead the product of man's imaginations, philosophy and false wisdom. None of the other false scriptures even come close to presenting God as does God Himself in His inspired Word. It is the text of each of these false "scriptures" that show them to be erroneous. For example, Joseph Smith, the founder and author of of the Mormon scriptures (Doctrine and Covenants), presents God as being an exalted man who earned the right to godhood by doing good works. This completely is counter to everything that the Bible says about person, nature and character of God. Further, there are unreconcilable contradictions between Mormon scriptures, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price clearly establishing its human authorship. The LDS Scriptures do not compare to the Bible on any level and are proven to be historically, culturally and doctrinally in gross error with known history, archaeology, and science, therefore it is shown not be be from God. In contrast the Bible is proven to be historically, culturally and doctrinally accurate in its statements proving it to be the Word of God. None of the "later" so-called scriptures can meet even one of the standards on which the canon of the Bible was established. This is an extremely powerful argument that God is not giving new revelation today. II. The Statements Against Adding or Taking Away from the Bible Speaks Against God Giving New Revelation. Another strong reasoning for rejecting modern day revelation from God is taken from His very Word, the Bible. Note the following Bible passages that warn about adding or taking away from the Scriptures: Deut. 4:2, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." Deut. 12:32, "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it." Prov. 30:6, " Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Rev. 22:18-19, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book." When the canon of Scripture from God was complete God had said all He needed to say to man. This was true throughout the process of revelation. When Moses finished the Pentateuch under the inspiration of God there was no need of further revelation at that time. They had the Law and God's instruction to live their lives by. As time went on God through the other prophets revealed more and more truth about Himself and His plan for the World. This process of revelation continued until the whole of God's plan was completely revealed with the completion of the Book of Revelation. Some would try to limit the warning of not adding or taking away from the Scriptures to just that of the Book of Revelation. However, its place as the last Book of the Bible and its revealing of what was past, present and future makes this limitation implausible (Rev. 1:19). God not only revealed the truth of John's day in the Book of Revelation, but in 18 of its 22 Chapters reveals what the future will hold until the end of this age and to eternity future. III. The Completeness of the Bible Speaks Against God Giving New Revelation. Another evidence for the completion of God's revelation is that the Bible is totally sufficient for all man's needs today. There is no need of any further revelation from God. There is not one situation where man needs direction from God that cannot be found in the revealed principles of the Bible. IV. The Source of Modern Revelation speaks against it being from God. Another evidence against accepting modern day revelation is the source of such purported revelation. In every case the man, group or denomination that supports accepting new revelation is in gross doctrinal error or a cult. No true Bible believing churches are offering any new revelation, but are diligently and faithfully preaching what God has revealed in His word. One recognizable trait of a false church is its acceptance of modern day revelation. In every case the new revelation leads men away from God's truth and away from God. If new revelation is not from God the where does it come from? It can come from delusional and deceived men, but ultimately and clearly modern revelation does have a supernatural origin. But that origin is not God, but the father of all lies, Satan himself. Those who follow the modern revelation will not be following God, but serving the Devil. In Deut. 32:16-17, it records how Israel rebelled against God and worshiped false gods. Verse 17, says their offerings were sacrificed to devils and not to God. False revelation is false religion and false religion is of the Devil and not God. 1 Cor. 10:20-21, says, "But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." Thus for these reasons all true Bible believing individuals and churches unequivocally reject that God is giving men today new revelation.

Well, I was going to put my two cents in but RW said it all for me. It does seem to be very close.

Female suicide bomber kills one, wounds over 100 in J'lem By Amos Harel, Baruch Kra and Haim Shadmi, Ha'aretz Correspondents, and Ha'aretz Service and agencies Dozens of stores along Jerusalem's Jaffa street were damaged in the deadly suicide attack. (Photo: AP) Police have decided to significantly increase their presence in central Jerusalem following a suicide bombing Sunday in which one person was killed and over 100 injured. Additional forces will be brought in from around the country, with an aim of making residents and business owners feel safe and secure once again on the central Jaffa Street, the scene of Sunday's attack and last week's shooting attack. In August, a suicide bomber killed 15 when he blew himself up at a pizza restaurant on the busy street. Hezbollah's television station Al Manar said that the suicide bomber responsible for Sunday's attack was 20-year-old Shinaz Amuri, a female student from Nablus. The dead Israeli was identified as 81-year-old Pinchus Toktaly, a tour guide. He will be laid to rest in Jerusalem Monday at 3 P.M. This was first suicide attack carried out by a woman. She studied at the A-Najach University in Nablus, defined as a "hothouse for suicide bomber" by the Shin Bet security services. At least six of the 120 suicide bombers who have carried out attacks against Israeli targets were students at the university, which is also considered a Hamas stronghold. No group took immediate responsibility for the blast, and Hamas leader in Gaza, Mahmoud Al Zahar, refused to say whether his organization was behind the bombing, saying only that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon "destroys homes and kills innocent people, and then the Palestinians come and carry out suicide bombing attacks into Israel". Of the wounded, two were in serious condition, four sustained moderate wounds and the rest light injuries. The wounded were taken to Bikur Holim Hospital and Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem and to Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem. Jerusalem police chief Mickey Levy said that there were police officers among the injured. Levy himself was hospitalized not long after the bombing, complaining of chest pains. He suffered a major heart attack upon arrival at Bikur Holim Hospital and is in serious condition. This is the second attack in less than one week in the same area. Two Israelis were killed and dozens wounded when a Palestinian opened fire at the lower end of Jaffa Street last week. The Palestinian Authority quickly condemned the attack. "The Palestinian leadership strongly condemns the suicide attack against Israeli civilians in Jerusalem," said a statement by the PA leadership. It also called for the return of U.S. Middle East envoy Anthony Zinni "to resume the trilateral security coordination and negotiations without delay." The PA statement also called on Israel to end its restrictions on the Palestinian population and its leadership. "The leadership also calls on the Israeli government to immediately lift the siege imposed on the Palestinian people and their leadership in order to enable the Palestinian leadership to carry out its national and security duties," the statement said. However, sources at the Prime Minister's Office said that PA Chairman Yasser Arafat had direct responsibility for the attack, and warned that the bombing would have repercussions. "Arafat is encouraging terrorism, he's sending [bombers] to Jerusalem," said Sharon aide Ra'anan Gissin. "We will continue to systematically dismantle the terrorist infrastructure," he added. Twin Towers survivor injured in blast One of those injured in the attack was Mark Sokolov, a 43-year-old attorney from New York, who survived the September 11 attacks on Manhattan's World Trade Center. Sokolov's office was located on the 37th floor of the WTC's southern tower, and he was saved when "one of the workers in my office heard the explosion in the [northern] tower, and told us all to leave the building immediately. That's how we were saved from the second explosion." Sokolov arrived in Israel some 10 days ago, with his wife and two young daughters, to visit their oldest daughter, who is spending a year studying at the Lindenbaum Seminary in Jerusalem. The Sokolov family was buying shoes on Jaffa Street when the blast occured, and Mark sustained an injury to his right eye. A hospital spokesman said that Sokolov was suffering from a injury to his eye socket, but we believe we will be able to save the eye." Sokolov's youngest daughter, Jamie, was also lightly injured in the explosion. Sokolov told Ha'aretz that the family had just bought two pairs of Neot shoes, and were waiting in the entrance to the store for a relative to meet them. "The we heard a huge explosion," said Sokolov. "The terrorist must have been very close to us. I fell down, but fortunately, I was only hit by some small pieces of shrapnel. I got up and started to look for my family. People were trying to push me into an ambulance, but I didn't want to before I found my children. I couldn't find them, because they must also have been rushed off to hospital. Eventually, they managed to get me into an ambulance and took me off to hospital." Asked about the connection between the two terror attacks, in Jerusalem and New York, Sokolov said, "I feel very lucky, that I am even alive to talk about it, that I survived both attacks. I still have to think about what it all means." The family's return to the United States, planned for last night, has now been delayed. Sunday's blast took place some 20 meters from the Sbarro restaurant where 15 people were killed by a suicide bomber in an attack last year. (Edited by boblandis at 10:13 pm on Jan. 27, 2002)

The Bible is the inerrent word of God. It is authored by God not by man. God would not permit human error to foul up His book. You are talking about a Being with more intellect then we can even fathom. Why, being more intelligent then us and able to do anything He desires, would he let someone mess up His instruction manual on life?

Angels, God said that if you are born again, no man can pluck you from His hand. And that includess yourself. I am sure your friend is in heaven, but she has a sin to pay for.

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My tresures are stored in heaven and my salvation is taken care of so I have no need of ####. Too hot for me!:biggrin:

RW, It seems to be alright. He doesn't include a statement of beliefs and has a fascination with non-Christian prophesy that I would take at face value. Hey, check out this site. http://www.thewatcher.co.uk/

Christians can get depressed. It is caused by getting out of step with your relationship with God. The first case of clinical depression in the Bible was Cain. Cain's offering was rejected by God. Instead of getting busy and fixing the problem,his countenance fell, or he got depressed. You know what happened next. This is a good lesson on how you need to give the Lord your problems and let Him handle the burden. (Edited by boblandis at 11:48 pm on Jan. 12, 2002)

This information is very in depth. I need to study it before I can comment.

RW, The funny thing is that the "weird stuff" is withheld from the normal laity of the church, just like the JW's. Only the hierarchy knows of the crazy beliefs and practices. If they didn't keep it out of the mainstream, they probably wouldn't be able to keep people long because the Bible would contradict their beliefs and they would have to spend their time defending the undefendable.