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Yeshua did, or the Holy Spirit, or God Himself. If it was just me I probably wouldn't even be here now. It never made any logical sense. I'm sure glad I didn't take over But to be more specific.... For years I messed around with all kinds of spiritual and group dynamics. They were all very interesting but I always came out with a kind of vaccum in my stomach. There was an empty space that wasn't being filled. Turning to Yeshua as my saviour filled that vacuum. I still don't enjoy reading the Bible. Do you understand it? I don't

hmmmmm.... definatly something to check with God

I hope so too. any idea or suggestion is helpful, little bits of information, of experiences...... it's encouraging........ Thanks

I don't think it means you have to turn your mind off completely...that would be impossible...just look for the guidance of the Holy Spirit while you ARE reading. That is exactly what the lesson was about..... to be guided by the Holy Spirit Thanks

There was a time when I "heard" a voice saying "don't read the Bible.....". I was convinced satan was behind this one and so I force read for a couple of months only to finaly hear God wording the full sentance: "don't read the bible....with your own mind!". That was an awesome lesson. If I could only put it to practice......

Yes I know about dry spells but this one is 10 years long......... I'm sure praying is something that should help and if it isn't, well, it's a personal relationship and it is't not God that is doing anything wrong...

Just found this "Scripture is God's personal love letter to His children; so if you don't understand it, you're reading someone else's mail." I wonder..........

I've been debating with myself if I should bring this up. It's an issue that bothers me a lot. The issue is that I don't enjoy reading the Bible. It makes me sad because I know God wants me to hear Him through His word. I hear people here and elsewhere who seem excited with scripture. I envy them. What am I lacking? What am I overlooking? Having put my faith in God and Yeshua some 10 years ago, it is frustrating to have to battle every time I go to the Bible. I don't expect answers. Just venting............ Is there anyone out there who has this issue? Praying to God for thirst of His word, got me to the desert.... It's dry in the desert. No, I'm not giving up on God or Yeshua I'm not giving up on reading His word I am giving up on trying to understand

God Knows! "And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD." (Isaiah 66:20) "And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:" (Ezekiel 37:21) Maranatha! Love, Joe People have all kinds of theories as to who is a Jew. People are human and can err, but even scripture doesn't make things easy. Rom 9:6 ".....For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel". Are Jews those descendants of Israel (Yaacov)? Those who are circumcised? - Muslims circumcise their young too. They who believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? - So do most Christians. Those born to a Jewish mother? - King David had Ruth the Moabite in his ancestry line. Those that belong to the Jewish nation? - What is the Jewish nation? There are those that say we are Jewish thanks to Anti-semitizm that "makes us special" So unfortunately, it isn't clear cut and obvious, and if God knows (which I'm sure He does) I will pray He will clear it for me.

Because I think it isn't relevant to this thread. People could be acting like jerks for a variety of reasons, not necessarily because of the "wrath of satan". once again we christians choose to blame satan instead of working on our own behavior! This is so redundant already! I have to agree with sierra , to a degree. Christians and notice boards like this one, only come under attack from satan if they expose themselves to attack, satan doesn't sic one christian onto another, they do it to themselves. I certainly won't give an *Amen* to someone's post if I think, that the person has strayed of course and posted something that doesn't gel with scripture they quote, but I surely wouldn't call them names, until I've checked it out, because I don't consider myself as a qualified judge. However there are a few people sitting on the sidelines who are only too happy and jump in and argue just for the sake of hearing themselves talk......They are wafflers and disruptful and if they are talking, what I am certain is rot, I will tell them so. As some one pointed out, we are here to edify, correct and learn,not to criticise and call people names. Eric, I hope you don't consider me a waffler or a disrupter. But it seems satan is bent on creating separation between believers. The original sin resulted in the separation of Man and God. Satan started that way back in the garden and it looks like this is his main aim. So when you say "satan doesn't sic one christian onto another, they do it to themselves", and if I understood you correctly, I have to disagree. On the other hand if I misunderstood you, I apologize up front for it. I feel that bringing up this topic of forum under attack, is very valid. Bringing the subject to light stops us from seeing strange hidden shadows. Could be that some of what is going on is NOT from satan, but what harm is there in pre-emptive defense steps? In Messiah

Well, I understand what you are saying so for me you worded it pretty well Don't bother with perfect wording, just get your message across in your own words. There are many Jews who don't follow the rites. Some from lack of knowledge, some from a rebellious spirit. There are even Jews who consider themselves Atheists and Jews at the same time . Many Jews who were effected by the holocaust (and who wasn't?) turn away from God altogether as a God who "allowed it to happen". But even so called atheist-Jews still have there male babies circumcised "Who is a Jew?" has been, and still is, a very controversial issue.

Took your advice, Blue, and googled "scalar weapons". I now agree with the rest of your post, namely: "If Jesus isn't your Lord, don't go near this" I don't know about scalar weapons but I do know Yeshua can deal with it God bless

You raise very interesting and controversial questions. I'm an Israeli Jew and would call myself "A believer in Yeshua who is son of God and came to earth to give us salvation through His blood to cleanse us of sin that separates us from God" - except that it's way too long so For short I'm "a messianic Jew". Mainstream Judaism has it that you cannot be Jew and a Christian at the same time. I'm a Jew having been born to a Jewish mother. I'm a Jew by nationality. I'm a Jew because I was circumcised (ouch!) according to Jewish law. I'm a Jew since birth but never followed Jewish tradition. I'm a Jew who till 10 years ago never believed in God, let alone Yeshua. I'm a Jew who today follows Yeshua, who is a Jew too. Why "messianic"? - To differentiate from the mainstream Jew. I believe in Yeshua as the Messiah. Yet I'm not a Christian. I could go on but to cut a long story short.... I'm a "Messianic Jew" because that is how I defined myself. Just a label. The label means nothing without substance and the substance doesn't need the label. But for human beings to relate to each other we need labels and definitions. I know where my faith lies and that is all that really counts here. God bless

It's a safe bet that satan has his grubby fingers stuck in this forum. Satan is very clever but you know....there is a built in flaw in his evil deeds. When I feel satan is on the attack, I know I am on the right path, or else why would he bother? God bless and guard this forum

Sure do. English and Hebrew. Thanks

Very true, and the world WOULD have dealt with hitler if there was more faith in God. Again I agree with you but being practical about it should go hand in hand with what God would have us do. Commensense, definatly, and there is no contradiction between commonsense and God's will. God bless

Yes, God has stood by us in all our wars, but you know human nature.... rather than giving the glory to God, we have pride in our people, army, children, whatever...... pride is a dangerous thing. God dispersed the Jewish people, way back then, for being proud, arrogant and stiff-necked. I find the equasion simple: We either learn, or God will teach us. My concern is not with the Iranian bomb. God will deal with that, through us or some other way. What concerns me is this pride that stops so many from seeing who is actually looking out for us. There is a growing change here and you see more and more coming to faith. A trickle, but that's how floods start. This seems to be where God is working now and I believe the results will show sometime soon. Rumours have it that there are scores of Palestinians coming to faith! I so hope that is true. Can you imagine the change in this troubled part of the world if this is really happening?! This hope gives me the strength to pray for my (so far) enemies.

Yes I do have faith in Yeshua. If left to me I wouldn't have. I can only assume it was God's doing. He seemed to have my number and was slowly bringing me home. I never liked OT study as a kid, never had patience for reading it. Even today I am not "hot" about the bible. Wish I was. So my conclusion is that my having faith is a sign of what God is doing in my life. I became a believer by decision. It didn't make any sense but I tried it and it worked. What I believe in is that Yeshua is the son of God and He died so I could live. I've been seperated from God by sin and Yeshua bridged that gap for me. Yeshua's sacrifice is from Love and by Grace. That is what salvation is all about, to my understanding. God works through people. One of my daughters is God's angel in this process and so are two very special people from Alaska that I met on the internet. They have been 10 year spiritual companions. The rest is history (in the making)

This is quite a challange isn't it? Deciding to defend your people and listening to what God has in mind for you... What if the two don't coincide? And yes,I would definatly believe achmedinijad with his threats.

Yes I can see now, that would have made things clearer, Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Just a few more words to clarify this: I was brought up studying the OT as compulsory in school. Also grew up with the idea that "Christians" are those who did all the bad things to us throughout history, including the holocaust. The NT was a "no-no" and Yeshua was THE enemy of the Jewish people. With all this as a background, it has taken me all of my 10 years as a believer to even get to reading the NT, let alone understand it. There is plenty of stuff I don't know and I guess it reflects in what I post. Shilo, I realize there is nothing personal in your post. I have no problem being enlightned by those who know more than I, and i'm not saying this cynically. Someone told be something that kind of stuck in my mind. When you teach your kids, they learn history, when you learn from them, you are learning about the future and in other words, we can learn from anyone. Thanks Shilo and I appreciate your response to my posts. God bless

Hi all, I've only been here a few days but it doesn't take long to hurt someone or push their buttons So if I have managed to offend anyone in this forum I apologize right now for it. Coming from another forum where pushing buttons seemed to be the main topic, I can quite understand your concern, Gia. Just finished reading this thread and the fact that so many here are honestly concerned with the issue you brought up, is a breath of fresh air in itself. This forum was recomended by a friend and she has yet to be proved wrong about her recomendation. I want to thank you, Gia, and this forum in general for a warm inviting place. I don't promise to agree with anything, but I do agree to disagree, if/when that happens. God bless you and this forum

Israel unfortunately has no choice, Hamburgers. Iran will decide what course of action Israel takes. I sincerely hope it won't be Iran who decides what course my government will take. I sincerely hope that by then there will be a "critical mass" of believers amongst our leaders, to let God decide. It won't be pretty but God never promised us a rose garden, just eternal life with Him

Hey Vickilynn! It is strange writing to you here after meeting you in person. It was a great meeting and I see you did manage the next day even though you must have been exhausted. Sounds like you had a great time today. We were discussing the baptism and were sorry we couldn't be there with you. Yes we are having a great time with our family but i'll leave this as it's a bit off-topic here. As for apologizing.... I'm not apologizing for the way I am. I'm just sorry it is causing discomfort here, if it is. Shilo was pointing out what he saw as a flaw, and I can well understand the point. He was right to be honest about the way he feels if he posts about it. I know I have a big flaw which is lack of total trust in the Lord. I pray some day I will get there. Was it Peter who sank while trying to walk on water? It was for lack of faith and I would sink like a rock. Many a time I've aproached the Lord in prayer to give me thirst for His word. I'm in the desert now, as it is a great place to get thirsty in . Anyway, this forum is a warm place, as you mentioned. I can only thank Shilo for mentioning what he saw. Shilo, I see your post as a mirror and the best mirrors are those that reflect the real image (even when I don't quite like it ) I'll say one thing "When the saints go marching in, I wanna be in that number" (L.Armstrong 17:56) God bless you Vickilynn, and you Shilo and this forum in general

Shilo, I can assure you I have many more flaws. I would like to say that I take God's word as the truth but that would just be politically correct and not exactly the truth. I do want to be in a place where I trust God completely. And it does sound great when one says it but I am not there, unfortunatly. Would you rather I say the "correct" things or would you rather have me say the turth of where I'm at? Maybe I could fool some people, some of the time but there is no way I can fool God. When I said I should study "hate" and it's meanings, I meant studying in the Bible. So I will eventually get there So, yes, my view of God may be flawed but that is where I'm at. Sorry. In Messaiah

I just love your cynicism Any specific brand of valium? Impressive website you have. I should stay out of your way