childofthegreat_i_am

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Pass It On It only takes a spark to get a fire going, And soon all those around can warm up in its glowing; That's how it is with God's Love, Once you've experienced it, Your spread the love to everyone You want to pass it on. What a wonderous time is spring, When all the tress are budding The birds begin to sing, the flowers start their blooming; That's how it is with God's love, Once you've experienced it. You want to sing, it's fresh like spring, You want to pass it on. I wish for you my friend This happiness that I've found; You can depend on God It matters not where you're bound, I'll shout it from the mountain top - PRAISE GOD! I want the world to know The Lord of love has come to me I want to pass it on. I'll shout it from the mountain top - PRAISE GOD! I want the world to know The Lord of love has come to me I want to pass it on.

I wanted to get more info. I guess everyone knows someone at some point that has committed suicide, so it seems we've all thought about it's results at some point... Does anyone have any scripture references that clearly state.... Does suicide mean that the person goes straight to hell? Clearly the person has unforgiven sin.... however.... if they were a beliver were they forgiven without asking specifically?

I might would buy it if I were doing research on the Qur'an... When I'm trying to witness to someone of a different faith, I try to know as much as I can about their faith so that I'll be prepared to talk to them.

My final thought and then I'm out for the night..... I know, personally, about 65 illegal immigrants. I worked with them at a large company where they were our exclusive labor staff. They worked hard and did a job that no american citizen I know would do. Of them, I believe 4 to have been legal. NONE of them paid taxes. NONE of them received welfare. The only laws I ever knew of them to break was driving without a license and possession of fake ID's. The reason they drove without a license is because in GA you can't get one if you're illegal unless it's fake. They do a pretty thourough job of verifying identity before granting licenses here. How do you decide what laws sends them home and what laws result in a fine? The fact is that they can come over here legally. They can apply for a work visa like everyone else with permission can. They choose not to follow our country's laws when they cross that border. There is no quick fix. There is no way to solve this problem without a huge expense in some way and without making an entire group of people angry in the process.

Yes... they're both wrong.... but they're two seperate issues.

I see your point and I do agree. I just think this issue is not as black and white as people think, and there is no quick-fix. It's not just letting them in and getting them out. Mexicans aren't the only illegals we have. We have got to find a way to stop them from succeeding over here.... then they'll have no reason to be here. We can make our money where it is extremely difficult to forge... Why can't we do that with the ID's? Right now, I know of 6 different places within the Atlanta perimiter where illegals can purchase - relatively cheaply - fake social security cards, fake driver's licenses, fake birth certificates and fake alien registration cards. You can't tell these from legit ones.... this is part of the problem..... We can't hold employers (or anyone else) responsible until there is some system in place to verify the validity of these documents! I don't care if they succeed over here - this is America, they should succeed. The system is, in theory, designed for success. The best long term solution is: 1) Build a wall 2) Massive immigration reform that allows willing immigrants who have no criminal background to become citizens and work here 3) Offer tuition benefits to Mexican students at US universities and then have them return to Mexico. If you can increase the education of Mexico, help de-corrupt the government, and begin to institute a form of controlled capitalism to their society, people would no longer want to come here. I've been to Mexico, some of its poorest parts in fact - the only way to make America less appealing is to ruin America. All people should be against that idea...so the better solution is to help Mexico grow and become a competitor with the US in terms of jobs. I'm sorry... I misunderstood.... You DO want to reward them for being over here illegally -- as long as they obey the rest of the laws?

Ok, I get that it's absurd for several reasons... but how is it unethical?

I see your point and I do agree. I just think this issue is not as black and white as people think, and there is no quick-fix. It's not just letting them in and getting them out. Mexicans aren't the only illegals we have. We have got to find a way to stop them from succeeding over here.... then they'll have no reason to be here. We can make our money where it is extremely difficult to forge... Why can't we do that with the ID's? Right now, I know of 6 different places within the Atlanta perimiter where illegals can purchase - relatively cheaply - fake social security cards, fake driver's licenses, fake birth certificates and fake alien registration cards. You can't tell these from legit ones.... this is part of the problem..... We can't hold employers (or anyone else) responsible until there is some system in place to verify the validity of these documents!

The illegal immigrants I know have been unable to receive Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. where does a figure like that come from? If they are illegal, then why are they getting welfare? I know they can't in Georgia. Here in Texas about 80% of the babies born in Parkland hospital are born to illegals, and we are paying the bills. That's for starters. then maybe TX should reconsider their welfare guidelines! I agree. The whole country should. But communities that can't afford it and try to do something about it lose because it's a federal issue and the federal government won't do anything. Yeah, but it's like cleaning your house... you can't clean the whole thing at one time.... you have to start in one room in work your way thru...... we have to start local and move up the gov't chain.

The illegal immigrants I know have been unable to receive Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. where does a figure like that come from? If they are illegal, then why are they getting welfare? I know they can't in Georgia. Here in Texas about 80% of the babies born in Parkland hospital are born to illegals, and we are paying the bills. That's for starters. the mother doesn't automatically gain citizenship. she must have a sponsor... someone that can prove they can provide for her... either a citizen that wants to marry her or her child must first reach 18 years of age to apply. ...which then ends up with the mother gaining citizenship and having to pay taxes.

The illegal immigrants I know have been unable to receive Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. where does a figure like that come from? If they are illegal, then why are they getting welfare? I know they can't in Georgia. Here in Texas about 80% of the babies born in Parkland hospital are born to illegals, and we are paying the bills. That's for starters. then maybe TX should reconsider their welfare guidelines!

The illegal immigrants I know have been unable to receive Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. where does a figure like that come from? If they are illegal, then why are they getting welfare? I know they can't in Georgia.

kudos! I think you've got it right there!

you got that right

If they have proper ID cards upon hiring can we really hold business responsible for making sure that they're legit? I have seen both real and fake ones, and most of the time can't tell the difference!

I really try hard not to discuss this issue with anyone, because I find myself at odds with most people I know about it. The illegal immigrants I know are some of the most hard working people you will ever meet. They work hard and send about 90% of their pay home to their families every week. They tell me that there is no way for them to earn enough money there to properly support their families. Here's the part that bothers me: 1. They usually have a wife there and a wife here. 2. They don't pay taxes. 3. Even if arrested, unless it is a major crime, there are no consequences. I was in court once and ahead of me was the case of a 23 year old mexican male that was illegal in our country and spoke no english. He was arrested on I285 in GA for poping wheelies at speeds in excess of 100 mph (speed limit 55); and for having multiple fake ID's. The judge actually apologized to him because he did not understand our laws. Why can't we accept those that will abide by our laws and pay the same taxes. Why can't we send the trespassers home to where they come from whey they are caught breaking our laws?

This particular debate is the very reason I left the Pentecostal Church... God's grace is sufficient to cover all sins. Period. The church I attended taught that ANY SIN not specifically listed in prayer asking for forgiveness was enough to lose my salvation.

I always just thought of it as more like: "Lord help us avoid temptation"

The fact remains that it is not our decision who dies or when they die. We can't choose for others, or for ourselves. God alone creates life... and God alone takes it.