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Hello fraught, As near as I can tell, these scriptures from Revelation, Chapter 13 seem to apply to "one world government" scriptures vs. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the beast vs. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? vs. 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. vs. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. vs. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. vs. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... vs. 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. vs. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. vs. 16 And he causeth all, both small and greaqt, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads vs. 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Blessings to you Nikki Verse 16 " "and he causeth all" meaning all of those types, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, in the areas where he has control. He is not going to control the whole earth. He will have total control over a fourth of the earth. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. The horsemen of Revelation 6 are about the antichrist making war and conquering. It says they will have power over a fourth of the earth.-- not the whole earth. Hi antiaging Thank you for your comments; however, I have to disagree based upon the fact that you while you refer to Revelation 6:8 to support your opinion, you have overlooked Revelation 13 Are you saying that the one fourth of the earth is a part of the all kindreds, and tongues, and nations? The antichrist system infiltrates governments with spies. He will have some control, but not total control, in all nations. There are scriptures in Daniel, Revelation and Joel that seem to show that the antichrist is going to be at war with others all the way up to armageddon when Christ returns. And if the antichrist is still going to be making war, until the end, then he cannot have total control over all nations. Daniel 7 or 8 and Daniel 11 show the antichrist beginning his conquest invading the middle east moving toward Israel. It looks like the european armies under his control will be marching against the muslims of the middle east. Antichrist will already have control over Israel during the last 3.5 years till the end. When the armies of the kings of the east march westward toward Israel to be gathered for armageddon, they must be marching against the antichrist forces of the 10 nations in Europe that he controls. So antichrist should not have control over the kings of the east, China, Japan, etc. [The vatican has very little control there now.] Armageddon looks like the kings of the east marching westward to fight with the European armies of the antichrist and when all of the armies meet at the plains of megiddo, there the Lord will return with an army of angels and destroy all of the armies that are gathered. Daniel 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. Revelation 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Revelation 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. Revelation 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast [it] into the great winepress of the wrath of God. Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand [and] six hundred furlongs. the battle of armageddon in Joel: Joel 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Joel 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I [am] strong. Joel 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. Joel 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Joel 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness [is] great. Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision. Joel 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. Joel 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. The overcoming of the saints in Rev. 13:7 is also referred to in Dan. 12 which Dan. 11 leads right into. Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which [was] upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that [it shall be] for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these [things] shall be finished. The vile person in Dan. 11 from verse 21 onward is the antichrist. And Dan. 11 leads right into chapter 12; chapter breaks are arbitrary.

Hello fraught, As near as I can tell, these scriptures from Revelation, Chapter 13 seem to apply to "one world government" scriptures vs. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the beast vs. 4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? vs. 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. vs. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. vs. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. vs. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world... vs. 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. vs. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. vs. 16 And he causeth all, both small and greaqt, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads vs. 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Blessings to you Nikki Verse 16 " "and he causeth all" meaning all of those types, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, in the areas where he has control. He is not going to control the whole earth. He will have total control over a fourth of the earth. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. The horsemen of Revelation 6 are about the antichrist making war and conquering. It says they will have power over a fourth of the earth.-- not the whole earth.

The only one world government in scripture is the reign of the saints with Jesus for a thousand years and after that forevermore in the new Jerusalem city. There will not be any one world government until Jesus comes back. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. The antichrist system will only have total rule over one fourth of the earth. They will be making war with others that they don't control. There is no one world government in scripture before Jesus comes back. Europe, Central and south america, parts of the middle east, Israel, are the places that most likely will be under the antichrist control. They already have a large amount of control in America and Canada, but not total control. [The system supporting the antichrist already has almost total control over a fourth of the earth.--by population anyway if not by geography.] Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran) "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from "The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers," Vol. 2, pg. 121 by Froom. "It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist. And as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not Popery in the Church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. . . . Popery is contrary to Christ

Since you were the first to use the "false doctrine" label, tell me, what scripture could you possibly have for claiming that the last 7 years till the end of the world called the tribulation period ... ?? ~clay The last 3.5 years is called the great tribulation. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Ah, now you're getting scriptural. And the parallel passage in Mark (13:19) states "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will." So if Scripture talks about any eschatological time period called "The Tribulation," it's not the 70th week becuase it does not begin until the middle of the week (Daniel 9:27). Aha, so then "The Tribulation" does not last the entire 3.5 years (the second half of the last week) becuase it is "shortened." So, a Biblical use of the term Tribulation concerning a future time period refers to some time less than 42 months that begins in the middle of the last seven years and ends before the end of the seven years. I wonder what happens during the remaining 70th week after the end of the "Tribulation" ? Ever notice how these are the very cosmic disturbances in response to the Sixth Seal? (Revelation 6:12) I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" Just a though, but if "The Tribulation" ends at the sixth seal, could the rest of the judgments occur after the Tribulation (which is cut short) but before the 70th week is complete? Wow, wouldn't that blow a lot of current eschatology teaching ! ~clay Read the end of the seals, trumpets and vials carefully. You will see that they all go to the end of the tribulation period. Seals: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? The sixth seal goes all the way to the return of Jesus and the day of His wrath, from the context of what is written there. The seals go all the way to the end of the tribulation period. Note: the great earth quake. Trumpets: Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. At the sounding of the seventh trumpet the end comes. It happens also at the end of the tribulation period like the seals do. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. note the earthquake. The trumpets also go to the end of the tribulation period, from the context of what is said. vials: Revelation 15:1 shows the vials to be the last plagues. Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. Revelation 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, [and] so great. note the earthquake The vials also go to the end of the tribulation period, from the context of what is said. At the end of the tribulation period you have a great earthquake. The same earthquake is mentioned 3 times, at the end of the seals, trumpets and vials, because they all end at the time of the earthquake. So, from the context of what is written, the seals, trumpets and vials go all the way to the end of the tribulation period when Jesus comes back. So, they must overlap each other in the chronology of how the events are going to happen. John gave the separate visions in the order that the visions were given to him. You need to look at the context of what is said in the visions to fill in the chronology of when the events are going to happen. If you try to see it as actually happening in the order that it is written there will be contradictions. Contradictions always show that the interpretation is wrong. True interpretations have no contradictions.

It can be shown from revelation that the city called Babylon in revelation is Rome, the center of catholicism. and the city has a false religion associated with it, which must be catholicism because that is the religion centered in Rome. Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Whoredom in the bible is false religion. The woman has a name mystery, babylon the great. The babylonian mystery religion is baal worship which spread into many different lands when the people were scattered from the tower of babel. A form of baal worship got into the old pagan roman religion, and many of these pagan practices got into roman catholicism. So, Roman catholicism is the babylonian mystery religion mixed with Christianity; all mixed up together. Purple and scarlet are catholic colors. Scarlet the color of cardinals and purple the priesthood. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Reigneth is present tense to the time of the writing. Rome was the city that reigned over the kings of the earth at the time of the writing. The woman is a city, she is also a whore, [false religion] and it must be the city of Rome that is refered to because rome is the city that reigned when John wrote that.--the religion centered in rome is catholicism. [ John is calling Rome babylon. This is not unusual for John to call a city by the name of another city to make a spiritual comparison. John calls Jerusalem, where our Lord was crucified, Sodom and Egypt to make a spiritual comparison. Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.] A description of the destruction of the city called babylon shows that it cannot be Babylon in Iraq. It says that men standing in ships will see the smoke of the city burning. You cannot see the smoke of babylon in Iraq burning from the sea. It is far from the sea and is land locked. Rome is a port city which is next to the sea and the company in ships can see Rome burning from the sea. Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! So the fall of Babylon in Revelation is about the destruction of the city of Rome and the religion centered in Rome which is catholicism. I think the antichrist must order rome and catholicism destroyed before he can set up the worship of himself at Jerusalem during the last 3.5 years till the end. So as best as I can tell all of these scripture you have quoted and your interpretations are nothing more then spectulation of what the word of God is telling us. Right? Where in scripture does it tell us that Babylon " is " the Catholic church? Where in the bible does it tell us that the whole would will be doing business with all of the merchents of the would? Where in the bible does it tell us that Catholism " will be" the one world religion? http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/ Go to that website and read online book, THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop He proves in detail why catholicism and rome can be considered babylon and matches it to scripture. The book is a Christian classic that has been around for a long time. Brother one can find anything thay want to match up with there ideas anywhere but is it true or does it line up with scripture? These question I have asked are straight to the point questions and when I asked them I knew that they could not be answered by scripture because the answers do not exist in the bible which means that if the bible doesn't say it then it is not. And I don't need to be reading any book written by a man that tells me what the bible says but in reality does not. My own belief is that the one would religion will be Islam and the Pope will serve as the false prophet until the antichrist takes him out of the way. But I can't prove that by using scripture so I don't teach it nor will I ever try to match my un-provable belief with scripture by bending the word to fit my ideas. I have read parts of The Two Babylons and what I found was Catholic bashing. Though I do not agree with Catholicism I do not like to bash them. Well here is a marvelous thing. The bible says have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Reprove means expose. You are supposed to expose the evil works of darkness and bring them to light. All that reproves is light. Look up inquisition on the internet. Apparently catholics like to bash others of other religions; and their bashing is physical torture and murder. The Jesuits take an oath to kill people of other religions when they can get away with it and to start wars and trouble in countries that are at peace so the vatican can come out on top when the treaties of peace are signed. You don't want to as much as expose their evil deeds and they on the contrary would like to murder you if they saw their chance. Rome considers the existence of any other religion but catholicism as a crime against the roman state. Get on google and look up Extreme Oath of the Jesuits http://www.reformation.org/oath.html This oath can also be found in the congressional record of the united states and was cited in a court case. The oath is for real. Parts of the oath My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means. You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death. You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me--- The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits: "1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise. ... furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus. Jesuits of minor rank take that oath to get up higher in the organization and they have been taking it for centuries. They do these evil things in secret. They wage relentless war against other religions, in secret, infiltrating our churches with catholic spies that pretend to be your friend. In the knowledge that this sort of thing is happening, I find your idea of opposing the exposing of their evil deeds, which you call catholic bashing, to be in error, contrary to the bible, and unaware of what is really happening in the world. Wake Up!!!

It can be shown from revelation that the city called babylon in revelation is Rome, the center of catholicism. and the city has a false religion associated with it, which must be catholicism because that is the religion centered in Rome. Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Whoredom in the bible is false religion. The woman has a name mystery, babylon the great. The babylonian mystery religion is baal worship which spread into many different lands when the people were scattered from the tower of babel. A form of baal worship got into the old pagan roman religion, and many of these pagan practices got into roman catholicism. So, Roman catholicism is the babylonian mystery religion mixed with Christianity; all mixed up together. Purple and scarlet are catholic colors. Scarlet the color of cardinals and purple the priesthood. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Reigneth is present tense to the time of the writing. Rome was the city that reigned over the kings of the earth at the time of the writing. The woman is a city, she is also a whore, [false religion] and it must be the city of Rome that is refered to because rome is the city that reigned when John wrote that.--the religion centered in rome is catholicism. [ John is calling Rome babylon. This is not unusual for John to call a city by the name of another city to make a spiritual comparison. John calls Jerusalem, where our Lord was crucified, Sodom and Egypt to make a spiritual comparison. Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.] A description of the destruction of the city called babylon shows that it cannot be Babylon in Iraq. It says that men standing in ships will see the smoke of the city burning. You cannot see the smoke of babylon in Iraq burning from the sea. It is far from the sea and is land locked. Rome is a port city which is next to the sea and the company in ships can see Rome burning from the sea. Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! So the fall of Babylon in Revelation is about the destruction of the city of Rome and the religion centered in Rome which is catholicism. I think the antichrist must order rome and catholicism destroyed before he can set up the worship of himself at Jerusalem during the last 3.5 years till the end. So as best as I can tell all of these scripture you have quoted and your interpretations are nothing more then spectulation of what the word of God is telling us. Right? Where in scripture does it tell us that Babylon " is " the Catholic church? Where in the bible does it tell us that the whole would will be doing business with all of the merchents of the would? Where in the bible does it tell us that Catholism " will be" the one world religion? http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/ Go to that website and read online book, THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop He proves in detail why catholicism and rome can be considered babylon and matches it to scripture. The book is a Christian classic that has been around for a long time.

Since you were the first to use the "false doctrine" label, tell me, what scripture could you possibly have for claiming that the last 7 years till the end of the world called the tribulation period ... ?? ~clay The last 3.5 years is called the great tribulation. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. That gathering together of the elect is the rapture. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. 70 weeks of years of punishment on Israel make reconciliation for iniquity. The last week, [last 7 years] the 70th week, which is written separate from the others, begins when the prince that shall come, the antichrist, {a roman ruler of the people that destroyed the city in 70 AD}, makes a covenant with the many gathered back into Israel after the end of the war (possibly WW2) and the end of the desolations in verse 26. The desolations ended after World War 2 when Israel became a nation again, in 1948. After the 70th week of 7 years happens everlasting righteousness is brought in; that is why the last 7 years goes till the end, when Jesus comes back. It is called a time of tribulation because it is the last week of punishment on Israel. But if you look in Revelation this time is also a time of tribulation on the whole world also. In the middle of the last 7 years, the antichrist moves his throne to Jerusalem and runs the Jews out of the land again causing desolation again until Jesus returns. Benedict, [benediktos in Greek] adds up to 666 when the greek number equivalents of the letters are substituted. Martin Luther thought the antichrist might be a pope named Benedict. You can look that up on google; Martin Luther 666 Benediktos. See Revelation 13 about the number of the name of the man called the beast or antichrist.

It can be shown from revelation that the city called babylon in revelation is Rome, the center of catholicism. and the city has a false religion associated with it, which must be catholicism because that is the religion centered in Rome. Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Whoredom in the bible is false religion. The woman has a name mystery, babylon the great. The babylonian mystery religion is baal worship which spread into many different lands when the people were scattered from the tower of babel. A form of baal worship got into the old pagan roman religion, and many of these pagan practices got into roman catholicism. So, Roman catholicism is the babylonian mystery religion mixed with Christianity; all mixed up together. Purple and scarlet are catholic colors. Scarlet the color of cardinals and purple the priesthood. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Reigneth is present tense to the time of the writing. Rome was the city that reigned over the kings of the earth at the time of the writing. The woman is a city, she is also a whore, [false religion] and it must be the city of Rome that is refered to because rome is the city that reigned when John wrote that.--the religion centered in rome is catholicism. [ John is calling Rome babylon. This is not unusual for John to call a city by the name of another city to make a spiritual comparison. John calls Jerusalem, where our Lord was crucified, Sodom and Egypt to make a spiritual comparison. Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.] A description of the destruction of the city called babylon shows that it cannot be Babylon in Iraq. It says that men standing in ships will see the smoke of the city burning. You cannot see the smoke of babylon in Iraq burning from the sea. It is far from the sea and is land locked. Rome is a port city which is next to the sea and the company in ships can see Rome burning from the sea. Revelation 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, Revelation 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! So the fall of Babylon in Revelation is about the destruction of the city of Rome and the religion centered in Rome which is catholicism. I think the antichrist must order rome and catholicism destroyed before he can set up the worship of himself at Jerusalem during the last 3.5 years till the end.

Hopefully we will not have to witness that if we are caught up in the rapture. The rapture is at the end of the tribulation period, when Jesus returns. --see Matt. chapter 24 The pre tribulation rapture is false.

The pattern in Daniel is like this. Dan. chapter 2, the dream of Nebuchadnezzar is a brief overview of the time from Nebuchadnezzar till the end of the world. Later in chapters 7 and 8 it gives more detail of the same period of time. The same pattern is followed in Dan. chapters 9 and 11. Dan. chapter 9:24-27 is a brief overview of the time from Daniel to the end of the world. It is spoken of in 69 weeks plus a 70th week. [Week is 7 years] There is a time break in there from the death of Jesus, verse 26 till the coming antichrist. Antichrist makes a covenant starting the 70th week, verse 27; the last 7 years till the end of the world called the tribulation period. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel chapter 11 goes into the details of what happens during the 69 weeks and then shows what will happen during the last 7 years, the 70th week, when antichrist rules. The same time break is in Daniel 11. From verse 11:20 to verse 11:21, there is a time break from the time of Jesus to the antichrist. Caesar Augustus is the raiser of taxes in verse 20, and Jesus was alive as a teenager at the end of Augustus' rule. So you have the same time break in Daniel 11 as in Dan 9; from Jesus till the antichrist. Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes [in] the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. Daniel 11:23 And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. The league made with him, verse 11:23, is a reference to Dan. 9:27; it is the covenant antichrist makes with the many living in Israel. That covenant or league the antichrist makes with Israel starts the last 7 years till the end of the world, the 70th week in Daniel 9. Dan. 11:23 till the end of Dan.11 shows what the antichrist will do during the last 7 years till the end when the dead are raised and Jesus comes back. Causing the sacrifice and oblation to cease 9:27 is the same as Daniel 11:31. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. That is what antichrist will do in the middle of the last 7 years, 3.5 years till the end when he takes control of Israel and Jerusalem and runs most of the Jews out of the land, Rev. 12.

The restrainer from the context of the verses, is that the apostacy or falling away from the faith must happen before antichrist is revealed. The he who now restrains (at the time of the writing) is referring to the christians that have not fallen away from the faith yet {taken out of the way}. [NOTE: The apostacy has happened now, and the restrainer is no longer here. The antichrist may be revealed now.] Let's look at it: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [letteth means restrains in middle english; KJV english] 2 Thess. 2:6 is the key. He says "and now ye know what withholdeth". You know because he just told you in 2 Thes. 2:3, that the apostacy (or falling away from the true faith) must happen first. It was withholding the antichrist from being revealed because it had not happened yet. Since it is referring to the apostacy must happen first, and the fact that it had not happened yet was restraining the antichrist from being revealed, So 2 Thess. 2:7 means, he (anyone) that is not yet fallen away from the faith, will restrain, until he falls away from the faith and is taken out of the way. Then antichrist may be revealed. The falling away from the true Christian faith has been happening for the past few decades. The antichrist system has flooded the market with fake bibles with the words changed, and infiltrated the protestant pulpits with false preachers preaching the love gospel;- they emphasize love and unity and only rarely preach repentance and sound doctrine. Repentance is one of the requirements for salvation. The watered down version of Christianity, which is a falling away from the true faith is now preached mostly. Television and movies, (controlled by the antichrist system, has destroyed the moral values of the youth, and young adults, and some older adults. Immoral people fill the seats in the chuches; not really saved and unrepentant. Even homosexual churches abound. Antichrist system fake preachers faking healing miracles on TV, also. So now the antichrist may be revealed because the apostacy has happened. John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian) "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from "Institutes" by John Calvin. Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran) "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) John Knox (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian) Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Taken from "The Zurich Letters" pg. 199 by John Knox. Cotton Mather (1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian) "The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church; and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from "The Fall of Babylon" by Cotton Mather Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican) "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from "Works" by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7. John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist) Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers...He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped...claiming the highest power, and highest honor...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from "Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms" by John Wesley, pg. 110. Roger William (1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America) He called the Pope "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vessals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to changed times and laws: but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)." You can add to those names these men that believed the same sort of thing. Wycliff, Tyndale, Sir Isaac Newton, Fox, Finney, Moody, Spurgeon. See the book, THE PROPHETIC FAITH OF OUR FATHERS, by Froom for further information on this subject. --or GREAT PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE by Woodrow. antichrist = last pope {first beast of revelation 13} false prophet, second beast of revelation 13 = last jesuit general The jesuit general has a large number of workers that take orders from him worldwide which have infiltrated the newsmedia, churches, government, entertainment industry, big business, law enforcement, according to authors like avro manhattan, former jesuits, Alberto Rivera, and malachi martin, and also Jack Chick, and the author of the website about the Jesuit general, vaticanassassins.org, --click on Kolvenbach. See online book, smokescreens. Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. The number of the name of the man the antichrist must add up to 666. The new testament was written in Greek, and greek letters are used for numbers. Martin Luther showed during the reformation that the name Benedict [which is Benediktos in Greek] adds up to 666 when numbers are substituted for letters. Martin Luther thought it might refer to a pope named Benedict. Β ε ν ε δ ι κ τ ο σς TOTAL 2 5 50 5 4 10 20 300 70 200 total = 666 The pope now is Benedict xvi.

My opinion. The antichrist system has had control of the office of the president in the US since at least Richard Nixon. Consult book Prophetic faith of our fathers to see what the antichrist system is. Or google Martin Luther quote about antichrist. Obama is not the antichrist. Regarding the relation of today's events and the endtime: Next prophecy to happen is the Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39 prophecy; that should happen before the last 7 years beins. Russia leading a coalition of armies to attack Israel. Russia, Iran/Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Ethiopia and maybe France. For this to happen Israel should make alot of people angry at them, first. If Israel attacks Iran, like it threatened to do (Russia told them to back off) that could lead rapidly to the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy to happen. After that Israel rebuilds the temple and starts a daily sacrifice. Antichrist gains control over 10 nations from the European Union, forming the 7th kingdom in Rev. 17, the revived Roman empire. Antichrist makes a league or covenant (maybe concordat) with Israel, according Dan. 9:27, this starts the last 7 years of punishment on Israel and the tribulation period. [Last 3.5 years is the great tribulation period.] Benedict in Greek is Benediktos. It adds up to 666 when the number equivalent of the letters is used. Martin Luther pointed this out during the reformation and he thought it might refer to a pope named Benedict. Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. [Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest, said that all churches that have united in their name are under the control of the vatican. Like the church Obama attended. United Church of Christ or something like that.] Mr. Rivera said protestant churches in this country were infiltrated with jesuits pretending to be protestant all the way back to the second boat load of pilgrims that came here. See the book, History of Protestantism by Wylie, for information about Jesuits infiltrating churches and governments. Nonsense; this is nothing more than wild speculation married to conspiracy theory. Blueprint for a catholic America http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_11.asp Information supplied by Alberto Rivers, former Jesuit priest. [Note: That was about 30 years ago; the vatican has increased its control over news media, government, entertainment industry, business, judicial system, law enforcement, and church leadership since then.] The noose is tightening!!! Unplug TV when not watching it. Reasons to suspect hidden cameras and microphones in TV--standard for all of them. Take batteries out of cell phone when not in use. A signal can turn on the microphone when you don't expect it. Disconnect car radio; reason to suspect hidden microphone in radio--standard for all of them. The bible states that the antichrist will have mighty power, but not by his own power. To fulfill that scripture a mighty and worldwide conspiacy must support him. He will not be one man acting alone, you know.

My opinion. The antichrist system has had control of the office of the president in the US since at least Richard Nixon. Consult book Prophetic faith of our fathers to see what the antichrist system is. Or google Martin Luther quote about antichrist. Obama is not the antichrist. Regarding the relation of today's events and the endtime: Next prophecy to happen is the Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39 prophecy; that should happen before the last 7 years beins. Russia leading a coalition of armies to attack Israel. Russia, Iran/Iraq, Turkey, Libya, Ethiopia and maybe France. For this to happen Israel should make alot of people angry at them, first. If Israel attacks Iran, like it threatened to do (Russia told them to back off) that could lead rapidly to the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy to happen. After that Israel rebuilds the temple and starts a daily sacrifice. Antichrist gains control over 10 nations from the European Union, forming the 7th kingdom in Rev. 17, the revived Roman empire. Antichrist makes a league or covenant (maybe concordat) with Israel, according Dan. 9:27, this starts the last 7 years of punishment on Israel and the tribulation period. [Last 3.5 years is the great tribulation period.] Benedict in Greek is Benediktos. It adds up to 666 when the number equivalent of the letters is used. Martin Luther pointed this out during the reformation and he thought it might refer to a pope named Benedict. Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. [Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest, said that all churches that have united in their name are under the control of the vatican. Like the church Obama attended. United Church of Christ or something like that.] Mr. Rivera said protestant churches in this country were infiltrated with jesuits pretending to be protestant all the way back to the second boat load of pilgrims that came here. See the book, History of Protestantism by Wylie, for information about Jesuits infiltrating churches and governments.

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. It saddens me that this kind of perversion of science and philosophy is so readily lapped up by the masses. I was an agnostic physics student arguing against the existence of God in philosophy class in the 1970s. I found out that I was wrong. I decided these arguments don't really prove anything, but I was taught that experimental evidence does prove something. I did an experiment to test for the existence of God. I started getting evidence after that. UFOs and alien sightings could prove God's angels exist. I got definite evidence that devils exist, when I started reading the new testament and heard thoughts in my mind that were not my own thoughts, as if they were being telepathically thrown into my mind by devils. Then Jesus Himself appeared to me in a night vision and paraphrased something from the King James bible to me. His voice was with real power and I felt like anything He says is going to happen, while in His presence, like He is God. I heard one word after another like normal speech, but when I thought about it, it seemed to happen in the same moment of time, like time made no sence. So, I got experimental evidence that God exists, and that bible Christianity is the only true religion. That happened in 1975, and I have been a fundamentalist Christian ever since. Now, knowing for sure that God exists, I can see the truth in the arguments of the original post, except for the big bang theory and the 2nd law of thermodynamic theory about the two cups. The part about entropy I agree with. Energy according to science can be neither created or destroyed, so the idea that the universe would have run out of energy, is scientifically not true based on the physics we have now. But the energy would have become all disordered and the universe would have become like a warm soup of nothing if it existed forever. So it must have had a beginning. I agree with that. The big bang is just a theory. Since God exists, He could have created an expanding universe without an original bang. Look closely at the probability that Hoyle predicted. That is a very strong argument that the complex human cell was created and could not have happened by chance. Entropy says that natural processes tend to more disorder, and not more order. That is observed in science. The amount of ordered complexity in the human cell could not have happened by chance or to state it another way, the probability against that is so high as to consider it to be impossible. God designed the human cell deliberately. It was not by chance.

The book of Revelation is understandable. Ask God in prayer to show you the proper understanding of it, and then listen to the King James version bible on tape of the book of revelation about 100 times, more or less. You should also know the rest of the bible very well to help avoid contradictions with other books. You should start to understand it. The book is not sealed, it is understandable. The way I understand prophecy, the next big prophecy to happen is the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy about nations uniting with Russia to attack Israel. God gives Israel the victory over them, by an earthquake and they destroy one another, with fire falling on them and on mainland Russia, it looks like from the prophecy. The nations in the prophecy are: Russia, Iran/Iraq, Ethiopia, Turkey, and maybe Germany or France. That is what scholars say are the modern countries occupying the lands in the prophecy. I believe the 7 year reign of the antichrist cannot happen until the Ezekiel prophecy is finished for some time. As you can see from world events, the Ezekiel prophecy is not about to happen yet. Israel was threatening to attack Iran, because they are developing nuclear bomb technology and have spoken openly about destroying Israel. Russia warned Israel to back off. I saw an Israeli leader on TV say that they would attack Iran if threatened. If Israel attacks Iran, then this could provoke a counterattack by Russia and a coalition of nations to fulfill the Ezekiel prophecy. After that happens, Israel rebuilds the temple and sets up a daily sacrifice. Antichrist gains his control over the 10 nations from the EU, and makes a 7 year treaty of some sort with Israel. Then the last 7 years till Christ's return begins, and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse start to ride. It would start with war, in the middleast region, getting closer to Israel, according to Dan. 7 and 11; and some of God's punishments falling on men for their sins, which they refuse to repent of. 3.5 years into the period the Antichrist takes over Israel and sets up his throne in Jerusalem. The two witnesses prophecy against the antichrist and smite the earth with plagues for the last 3.5 years while the final and most devastating punishments from God hit the human race. Two main reasons why the end cannot be too far off, is the population of the human race is now so high that it threatens to interfere with the eco system that supports the human race; and every year it increases by about another 100 million more or less. Prejected 9 billion in the next 40 years; the technology we have now cannot support such a population. It looks like large famines and disease must happen on the malnurished human race in the near future. The second reason is global warming which will accelerate to destroy crops and change the weather and cause seaside cities to start flooding. [Over population is the main cause of global warming.] Even without bible prophecy the prospects for the human race as a whole show trouble coming because of overpopulation and its effects. So, the end cannot be too far off. [One more awful idea: The people in control might think in the future that nuclear war is desirable to decrease the human population. Since nuclear bombs were developed there have been no major world wars; people are afraid of nuclear war. In the future, when the population is so high that 70% or more of the whole human race is malnurished, nuclear war might be seen as a means to decrease the population rapidly. They won't be so timid about using those big H bombs then. Example: In africa elephants are shot to keep the population down, otherwise they would eat too many trees and they could lose the whole herd of elephants.] When the antichrist goes forth conquering and to conquer, nuclear bombs could be part of that.