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Jude 5 I will therefore bring you in remembrance,though you once knew this,how that the Lord,having saved the people out of the Land of Egypt,afterward destroyed them that believed not. This is the 1st of 3 examples of why we should trust,believe,fear and obey God.(All 3 example are separate and have nothing to do with one another) Jude 6 And the angles which kept not their first estate,but left their own habitation,he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto judgment of the great day. This says nothing about ''strange flesh''or marrying women. Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,and the cities around about them in like manner,giving themselves over to fornication,and going after strange flesh,are set for example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. You see it was Sodom and Gomorrha and the cities around them that went after strange flesh(men with men and women with women). Verse 7 has nothing to do with angles,you Isa,have once again rearranged God's word to fit your own purposes. It is very sad to me to see someone as your self constantly spreading lies and using distorted and purposely reconfigured scripture to do so,you should really be ashamed of your self. Hi onwingsaseagles, Jude 6,7 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. What part do you not see or understand. I have highlighted and made bold for you to see the truth. These demons just like the sodomites left their own abode to have a sexual relationship with women. Those of Sodom and Gommorah left their normal fleshly desires to chase after the same sex, how plain is it. They are both made an example of and are waiting the final judgment of God. Now lets per say that these demons proper domain is talking about heaven, would not that mean that all the angels that followed Satan and left the heavenly domain would be in everlasting chains under darkness and awaiting the jugment of the great day. Because to me they 1/3 of them left heaven and followed Satan. To me the abode they left was the spiritual realm, they took on human form and committed an act of immorality with the earthly women. From this immoral act came the Nephilim. Pretty simple if you ask me.

You can continue to try an explain away the bible,but it only works on those that do not truly want to know what God's word really means. Your lies Isa,will not work on those that diligently seek the scriptures for truth. Hi onwingsaseagles, I beg to differ my friend and brother in the Lord. You see the truth is the bride can not be in two places at once. She can not be in heaven and on the earth at the same time. Revelation 19 6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying,

Near, we will be here for the reign of the Anti-Christ,that is why we need to give our all to God now,so that he can strengthen us in our faith and in patience,waiting to for his return. Read Revelation 13:10 this show that the saints will indeed be here during the reign of the Anti -Christ,as well as Revelation 14:12. They both say''here is the faith and patience of the saints'' If we have already been taken to Heaven what need will there be for sustained faith and or patience Be very careful about those that teach we will not have to endure the Tribulation,this is a very dangerous teaching that causes the true believer to not prepare their mind,heart,and will for the trouble that is to come. But there is no need to fear,just as the Jews were exempt from the plagues of the Egyptians,so are we exempt from God's wrath on the unbelieving world but this is by divine protection,not by removal. Thank you! I agree, I know in the Bible it says somewhere that some of even the most elect of Christians will be lost...and I think that is due to teachers teaching that we will not be hear during Trib. etc. Hi Near, I think the verse you are after is Matthew 24:24 Matthew 24:24 For false Christ's and false prophets will arise and will show signs and wonders, so as to mislead, IF possible, even the elect. Is it possible for the elect to be deceived? No Why? Because the Holy Spirit is within us and leads us to the understanding of the truth. Will you be mislead by Satan and his lies? No Why? Because you have the Holy Spirit within you, you are a child of God and you can not be misleadvby Satan and his deceptions. Those who belong to God CAN NOT be deceived. No Born Again Christian will be lost for what is in God's hand can not be taken out of His hand. If you have given your life to God you can not take it back, not even when you sin. You will be punished for unconfessed sin but you will not lose your salvation. If you are a Born Again Christian and endure to the end whether it be the end of your life or the end of time, you are written in the book of life you can not be blotted out. Romans 8:37-39, Ephesians 2:8-10 It is by God's grace we are saved and there is nothing we can do that will change our status of salvation before God. There is nothing on this earth, above the earth, in the earth or the heavens that can change the status of our salvation. OSAS You can not take your life out of God's hand. As I said we belong to God we can not and will not be deceived by Satan. We already know the truth we have the bible before us, and we can see all things that are prophecied for the end times coming to frutition. The bible tells us the Lord is coming which means he is already on His way. Salvation does not depend on whether we believe in a pre-trib, post-trib whatever trib, Salvation depends on whether we believe in the one whom God sent. Jesus Christ for there is salvation in none other, and to believe in Jesus Christ is to believe that He finished everything on the cross, all our punishment was placed on Him, past, present, and future. Thank you Lord for saving this sinner from the eternal lake of fire. Thank you for taking my punishment upon yourself. I am so undeserving of your love and forgiveness but you came to me in love and forgave me Thank you Lord. Amen

Who are the saints. You have Old Testament Saints You have New Testament Saints (the church) From the time Christ was crucified. John the Baptist is an Old testament saint. You have Tribulation Saints these are the ones who Revelation 13 and Revelation 14 are speaking of. The tribulation saints will need to have patience and faith and endure to the end when the Lord returns. The church (the bride of Christ) will not go through the tribulation God has promised that to the bride of Christ. On the other hand they will return with the Lord when He comes back to the earth and stands on the Mount of Olives. Revelation 19 the bride is already in heaven prepared and those saints who have come out of the tribulation will join the bride and they together will return with the Lord. Revelation is plain to understand if you allow the Holy Spirit to open the word to you. 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. The word of God is truth. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. Trust the word and allow the Holy Spirit to work with in you as your guide. That is why he was sent here to guide us into truth and understanding.

Hi Near, I believe the one who is to come is already in this world, and Satan's work is being done in this world to prepare the way for this evil one. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. It is not the church that retrains this one from being revealed, and I do not believe the Holy Spirit is taken away eiher. I believe the Holy Spirit releases the restraining power He had on the one who is to be revealed, the Holy Spirit does not leave for the Lord say's He will send a comforter which will guide us into understanding the truth. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, so if He has left during the tribulation then none will be saved during that time. When the ultimate Anti - Christ comes to power we will not be here to see that for God has promised that in His word. The time and rise of this Anti - Christ is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, which is the final week in the 70 week period mentioned. he hour of trial that comes on the whole world in Revelation 3:10, God's word I truth and I believe when He say's He will keep us from this hour He means He will keep us from it. What I suggest you do as you read Revelation is read all other passages that concern the end times. I find this sight a great resource when studying the word of God. http://www.biblegateway.com/ All you need to do is type in a word and it will bring up all verses with that word, there are other resources you can use with this site but I just use the passage search and keyword search. I hope it comes in handy for you. If you need any other info just PM and I would be happy to help. Plus there are different translations aswell which helps. God Bless Hey, thank you! I will look it up a bit more...I'm still confused though. Hi Near, What are you confused about? Hey, Isa! Actually, I'm not really sure...? I'll let you now when I do! Well may the Lord guide you on the right path then Near. God Bless

Hi Near, I just read this post and I believe all those who are against God and do not except His Son as Lord are Anti - Christs, but there will be one who comes who will be filled with Satan just as Judas was. He will do the will and bidding of Satan, he will be the ultimate Anti - Christ and there has been none like him, for he will be the last. We thought Hitler and all those others were evil wait till this one comes, he is a million times worse than them. True, Isa. Most who reject God's name and stuff are antichrists, but THE AntiChrist will be worse than them! Hi Near, Yes those like Hitler are just kittens compared to the ultimate Anti - Christ. He is a lion ready to devour any Christain who doesn't take the mark of the beast. He will do far worse things than those who proceded him. I am glad we won't be around, and it makes you want to preach the truth to those who are lost even more, knowing what is to come. God Bless

Hi Near, I do not believe the Nephilim will come back. I believe Satan was trying to start his own creation of race through them and that is why God destroyed them all. Satan does not need to do that again because there are plenty of people who follow and worship him now and they don't even realize that, and in the end he will have his followers receive a mark which they will do willingly. So the Nephilim won't be back. There will be plenty of demons released on the earth to do thye devils biding if you look at Revelation 9 and these demons can only hurt those who have not been sealed by God. When Satan is released for a short season there is just enough time for him to gather his army together to the final battle which is not Armageddon, Armageddon is a different battle to the final battle where Satan gathers his army around the camp of the saints. When Satan gathers his army around the camp of the saints, the Lord destroys him and casts him into the lake of fire. Those who followed Satanas his army will stand before God with all those who have rejected the Lord and they will be judged, they also will be cast into the lake of fire, where they will say is this the man who made the earth tremble. Isaiah 14:12-17 The Fall of Lucifer 12

Hi Near, I believe the one who is to come is already in this world, and Satan's work is being done in this world to prepare the way for this evil one. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. It is not the church that retrains this one from being revealed, and I do not believe the Holy Spirit is taken away eiher. I believe the Holy Spirit releases the restraining power He had on the one who is to be revealed, the Holy Spirit does not leave for the Lord say's He will send a comforter which will guide us into understanding the truth. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, so if He has left during the tribulation then none will be saved during that time. When the ultimate Anti - Christ comes to power we will not be here to see that for God has promised that in His word. The time and rise of this Anti - Christ is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, which is the final week in the 70 week period mentioned. he hour of trial that comes on the whole world in Revelation 3:10, God's word I truth and I believe when He say's He will keep us from this hour He means He will keep us from it. What I suggest you do as you read Revelation is read all other passages that concern the end times. I find this sight a great resource when studying the word of God. http://www.biblegateway.com/ All you need to do is type in a word and it will bring up all verses with that word, there are other resources you can use with this site but I just use the passage search and keyword search. I hope it comes in handy for you. If you need any other info just PM and I would be happy to help. Plus there are different translations aswell which helps. God Bless Hey, thank you! I will look it up a bit more...I'm still confused though. Hi Near, What are you confused about?

Hi Bolts, That's true wha you have said, I do believe the Lord gives us glimpses at times of things that are about to happen, but we don't realize that until the event. I had a dream of something it goes like this. I dreamt someone had killed many people and they poked the two eyes out, I was getting the blame for it and I kept repeating it wasn't me the one you are looking for is hiding under the ground. The dream was so weird to me, I told my mother and better half of this dream. We all thought nothing of it until the two I's were taken down by aeroplanes then I understood what this dream was about. As I said I believe the Lord does give us glimpses of what is to come.

Hi Near, I just read this post and I believe all those who are against God and do not except His Son as Lord are Anti - Christs, but there will be one who comes who will be filled with Satan just as Judas was. He will do the will and bidding of Satan, he will be the ultimate Anti - Christ and there has been none like him, for he will be the last. We thought Hitler and all those others were evil wait till this one comes, he is a million times worse than them.

Hi Near, I believe the one who is to come is already in this world, and Satan's work is being done in this world to prepare the way for this evil one. 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. It is not the church that retrains this one from being revealed, and I do not believe the Holy Spirit is taken away eiher. I believe the Holy Spirit releases the restraining power He had on the one who is to be revealed, the Holy Spirit does not leave for the Lord say's He will send a comforter which will guide us into understanding the truth. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, so if He has left during the tribulation then none will be saved during that time. When the ultimate Anti - Christ comes to power we will not be here to see that for God has promised that in His word. The time and rise of this Anti - Christ is mentioned in Daniel 9:27, which is the final week in the 70 week period mentioned. he hour of trial that comes on the whole world in Revelation 3:10, God's word I truth and I believe when He say's He will keep us from this hour He means He will keep us from it. What I suggest you do as you read Revelation is read all other passages that concern the end times. I find this sight a great resource when studying the word of God. http://www.biblegateway.com/ All you need to do is type in a word and it will bring up all verses with that word, there are other resources you can use with this site but I just use the passage search and keyword search. I hope it comes in handy for you. If you need any other info just PM and I would be happy to help. Plus there are different translations aswell which helps. God Bless

yes weve gone mad. in the same manner we believe someone actually parted a sea. Believing God does miracles and believing that angles inter-bread with people are two completely separate things. One is true and biblical, the other is absurd with no biblical support at all. Just people's wild imaginations. Hi Onwingsaseagles, So God Himself did not have a Son with Mary. God is Spirit, just as angels are spirits, if an angel can possess a person I am quite sure they are able to have a child with a woman. In the spiritual realm of things all things are possible, the son's of God are fallen angels not Seth's lineage. Seth's lineage was chosen by God himself to bring forth the Lord our Savior. Why would two humans bring forth giants? If you graft two different orange trees together what do you get? Oranges. If you bring together a chinese and an Australian and they have children what do you get? Humans. We are all one blood right from the beginning, we all came from Adam and Eve and being so close to the pure generation this would not have caused any deformaties and it was not a sin to marry brother, sister, cousin, uncle etc, etc. Sin had corrupted the whole of the earth, God only found one man who was righteous the rest were evil and only because Noah was found righteous his family was allowed to build and go into the ark with him. I don't think you really understand the spiritual world and because you don't understand something it is nonesense and you attack the word of God. The demons gave up their natural realm to come into our world because they saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, they took them and had children to them which created a new race of people Nephilim a demonic race. God was not pleased about what was happening on the earth between these demons and the humans so He planned to destroy them. These demons, after the flood destroyed them were cast into the abyss were they await their final judgment. God speaks of these fallen angels (demons) in Jude 6:6,7 God in His word tells us that these angels left their own realm (spiritual) to enter the human realm and have immoral sex with women, they went after strange flesh just as the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had done. Immorality - strange flesh Man having immoral sex with another man. Fallen angels (demons) having sex with human women. How can a man and a woman even if they are from a different race be going after strange flesh? We are all one flesh and blood.

Dear onwingsaseagles: You are way out of line with this very hateful and very ignorant post. Try reading the posts and studying before you reply like this. The Word of God-Scriptures and references and suggested Bible Dictionaries online. Just the Scripture that I gave in post #1 {a start of study on male and female demons-why didn't you do that?!}. You have attacked heart and character and knowledge and scholarship of many posters here as well as many elsewhere-you NEED to repent and publicly ask us, including me, for forgiveness. Look into the multiple sources documenting both males and females being sodomized and raped today by unclean spirits! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suggest you STUDY the following verse and find out the meanings of the applicable words: Mat 5:22 But 1161 I 1473 say 3004 unto you 5213, That 3754 whosoever 3956 is angry 3710 with his 846 brother 80 without a cause 1500 shall be 2071 in danger 1777 of the judgment 2920: and 1161 whosoever 3739 302 shall say 2036 to his 846 brother 80, Raca 4469, shall be 2071 in danger 1777 of the council 4892: but 1161 whosoever 3739 302 shall say 2036 , Thou fool 3474, shall be 2071 in danger 1777 of 1519 hell 1067 fire 4442. Your joking right?apologize for what?because I do not accept some far fetch idea?That angel and women inter-bread? There is nothing in my post that was hateful,nor am I angry,but the belief that angels came down and reproduced with people is madness. This madness is only in the eyes of the blind, for the blind can not see the truth of God's word. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The only one who attacks the truths of God is the devil himself. Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. Satan doesn't like the truth and he will attack those who bring the truth to the forfront all the time. We must as Christians do as the Lord has done and say "Get behind me, Satan and we must resist the devil and he shall flee from us. If we resist him and submit to God, what chance does he have in his attacks against God's children. None he is left to hang out and dry. God Bless

Hi guys, I just had a thought, after the final battle when Satan is cast into the lake of fire, there are still two lots of people who stand before God who have not been judged. 1) The unsaved 2) Those who were in the camp of the saints ( being all believers before the destruction of the world. These two have not been judged yet, maybe and I am just saying maybe these are the ones who stand before the Great White Throne in judgement and the book of life is open for those saints who have just come out of the final battle with the Lord. Just as JesusisGod2 said those who believe in Christ, past, present and future have already been judged. So as I look at it more those saints who come out of the final battle, because they are written in the book of life are not judged but are told well done my faithful servants and those who are not written in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire. Just a thought guys.

I agree, once we die that is the finish. If you have excepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you shall receive eternal life, if you chose not to except Christ as your Lord and Savior then you are condemned already. Mark 16:15-17 15 And He said to them,

Hi Fraught, That seems to be the problem peoples opinions, they are listening to themselves and what others say but not God. Our opinions about what is said doesn't matter., what the bible says does. 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, The bible says what it says and you can't skirt around it sorry. And that is God's opinion for He is the aurthor of the Bible. God Bless I can not believe you would lecture fraught about what God says when you could care less,you ignore it completely,and push your own beliefs over what his words says. Just because one doesn't believe what you think the word of God says, doesn't mean you can be little condem or judge, we have used scripture to support what we believe It is not about what I believe,you disagree with God himself when to teach pretrib rapture,and then tell others not to disregard scripture. I find that to be hypocritical,by the way there is NO I mean NO scripture to support your belief. Hi onwingsaseagles, I would like to see you support what you believe God is telling you with the whole Word of God not just the new Testament. Pre-tribbers believe what they believe because it is shown throughout the old and new testament to them. We do not disagree with the word of God, we agree with it 100%. There is no Old Testament scripture that would even come close to hinting that there might be a pretrib rapture.nor any in the New Testament for that matter. You have not shown me where the post- tribbers beliefs are in the old testament why not? There are many scriptures in the old and new testament that has been shown to you to support the pre-trib rapture yet you deny what you are shown.

That's kinda funny. God Himself hates the sinner. So God hates sinners huh? Now that is a far out comment. I guess that is why he sent his Son to die for them because of all that hate. John 3:16 For God loved the whole world,that he sent his Son...... Romans 5:8 God commendeth his love toward us that while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us. I dont think you are going to get a lot of support for that comment,kari.WOW Psalm 11:5 The LORD tests the righteous,But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

alas, this is true of all pre-tribbers. You know guys the shoe could be on the other foot. It could be you who are wrong. Who cares it's not a salvation issue anyway. Actually the bible is so crystal clear on the subject that if you take the time to study it,you would have to make a conscience decision to not accept the word,to still hold on to the pretrib belief. The thing is I have nver had man to corupt my mind which is good. I feel you have taken us of coarse into a debate about pre-trib verses post trib let us get this train back on track and talk about the subject, instead of finger pointing.

Hi Fraught, That seems to be the problem peoples opinions, they are listening to themselves and what others say but not God. Our opinions about what is said doesn't matter., what the bible says does. 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, The bible says what it says and you can't skirt around it sorry. And that is God's opinion for He is the aurthor of the Bible. God Bless I can not believe you would lecture fraught about what God says when you could care less,you ignore it completely,and push your own beliefs over what his words says. Just because one doesn't believe what you think the word of God says, doesn't mean you can be little condem or judge, we have used scripture to support what we believe It is not about what I believe,you disagree with God himself when to teach pretrib rapture,and then tell others not to disregard scripture. I find that to be hypocritical,by the way there is NO I mean NO scripture to support your belief. Hi onwingsaseagles, I would like to see you support what you believe God is telling you with the whole Word of God not just the new Testament. Pre-tribbers believe what they believe because it is shown throughout the old and new testament to them. We do not disagree with the word of God, we agree with it 100%.

Hello meagain, Well i must say you must be joining me and many otherpre-tribbers in hell on Satan's bosom as onwingsaseagles puts it. lad to have your company to keep me warm. God Bless #1 kari said satans bossom not me. #2 Not all pretribbers are going to hell. #3 Teaching doctrines created by satan is the dangerous thing,not believing in the pretrib rapture''but teaching it as biblical truth'' that is very dangerous. Hi onwingsaseagles I do apologize for no 1 but you still believe I am going to hell because I say what I believe. The problem is you can not disprove your post-trib theory without it being bowled over by the word of God. This is the problem, so you jump on that high horse of yours and try to kick every body into submission. I am not here to debate whether you or I am right, I know God is right and I believe His word.

Hi Fraught, That seems to be the problem peoples opinions, they are listening to themselves and what others say but not God. Our opinions about what is said doesn't matter., what the bible says does. 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, The bible says what it says and you can't skirt around it sorry. And that is God's opinion for He is the aurthor of the Bible. God Bless I can not believe you would lecture fraught about what God says when you could care less,you ignore it completely,and push your own beliefs over what his words says. Just because one doesn't believe what you think the word of God says, doesn't mean you can be little condem or judge, we have used scripture to support what we believe and not just the new testament God has shown us in the old testament what we believe and teach or preach as you put it aswell. Scripture will always back up scripture. You believe what you want to believe and there is no discussion about it, it is what you say and that is it. I am God what I have said no one can disagree with me. It doesn't work that way my friend you need to back what you say up with scripture not just from the old testament. God has given us the whole Bible to learn from so to support your post trib theory show me where it is spoken of in the old testament as I have shown you werte it talks nurmerous times where to find the Lords return with His saints at the end of the tribulation. Plus you have the bride already in heaven with the trib saints before He returns to the Mount of Olives and takes back Jerusalem. The problem is my friend Satan get's angry because He know's we are right and he is wrong. Satan always hates being disproved and he will always be on the attack. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. I must say for all my fellow pre-tribbers we are not devoured by Satan and his followers for we know the truth of God's word. John 8:32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

alas, this is true of all pre-tribbers. You know guys the shoe could be on the other foot. It could be you who are wrong. Who cares it's not a salvation issue anyway.

Hello meagain, Well i must say you must be joining me and many otherpre-tribbers in hell on Satan's bosom as onwingsaseagles puts it. lad to have your company to keep me warm. God Bless

Hi Fraught, That seems to be the problem peoples opinions, they are listening to themselves and what others say but not God. Our opinions about what is said doesn't matter., what the bible says does. 2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, The bible says what it says and you can't skirt around it sorry. And that is God's opinion for He is the aurthor of the Bible. God Bless