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Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, Not a trumpet, a voice like a trumpet. And again applying your logic, this was written by John, so it is only for Israel, nothing in Revelation applies to you unless you're Jewish. I Thessalonians 4:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. Again, He will bring with Him. A reference to Him coming, not us going anywhere. And again, applying your logic, unless you are from Thessaly this has nothing to do with you, it was written for the church in Thessaly.

Sure thing brother

I Corinthians 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. I'm not sure how that passage reads to you, but what it says is that Christ is the firstfruits, and afterward, those who are His at HIS COMING. His coming being the key thing, and the fact that there is no event in between. I Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. This says we will ALL be changed at the last trumpet, that would be the 7th trumpet in Revelation, the last one mentioned in the book that breaks down the end time events specifically. Of course if we use your logic, unless you are from Corinth that has nothing to do with you, because Paul wrote this letter to people in Corinth, so it only applies to them, right?

I do read the posts addressed to me and give them due consideration

Right, because according to you these gospels are meant for a group that rejects them. Funny how you can't answer a simple question either

4th amendment in the bible

Matthew 24:40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. What do you call that?

I understood Marilyn's answers just fine, maybe you should compare yours to hers for clarification.

I wonder if it isn't in following out the thought all the way through. As in, we are the Body of Christ. Can a lung digest food, or a stomach breathe air? To me it is really that simple, but that could be because I am convinced that all scripture is God-breathed, and inerrant. Seems to be an awful lot of disputing over that fact of late, can't seem to get away from it

What if what we call blue is really green?

John 14:25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." There it is again. I have posted it numerous times, and I have asked you to explain to me what it means to you. You won't do it. You accuse me of pride when I admitted to error and conceded your point as to where the first question the disciples asked took place. Does that strike you as one too proud to admit error? Or is the truth that the one who dodges easy questions to cling to an obvious error in their entire argument has the issue with pride? The gathering is found in the gospel of Matthew, chapter 24. The entire premise of the left behind theology is found there as well, and you yourself have repeatedly stated that it is indeed what you call the rapture. Matthew 24:31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. And again, since your entire argument is based on what Matthew knew or did not know, completely denies the God-breathed words that were written and tries to paint this biblical truth as though Matthew were the author. Pay particularly close attention to verse 42, "what hour your Lord is coming." It is right there, hand in hand with the very event you agree is the rapture. I offer you scripture, you reject it, all you offer in your posts is your opinion and insults. It is a common tactic used when one cannot support their opinion with scripture, attack the other guy and try to discredit them. If this is true, then it wouldn't be so difficult for you to answer simple questions. And if it were true, then you could actually support what you are saying with scripture. Here is one for you, how about you show me one time in scripture where the gathering/ catching away is spoken of and does not include His coming. I am not the one who won't answer simple questions. I am not the one who doesn't support what they are saying with scripture and doesn't acknowledge the scripture presented in return. I am not the one who rejects biblical truths to build a comfortable theory around. If you think all the eyes that read over this thread don't know when someone is dodging a simple question, you are mistaken. Most probably agree with your position, but not your argument. Did you notice how when I asked Marilyn the same questions she answered them? Straight up direct answers, not some two paragraph diatribe that requires an interpreter. And to put it bluntly, I am not seeking the approval of people anyway. God bless

As I stated, I don't have a side when it comes to politics, so where does that leave me?

I see that!

We're not talking about ALL PEOPLES, we are talking about 11 men that Jesus hand-picked and said this to. John 14:25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. This is God-breathed as well, is it true or is it false? These 11 men would be taught ALL THINGS, and REMEMBER ALL THINGS HE SAID TO THEM. You are aware that these 11 men received all gifts of the Spirit aren't you? And that they were actually able to pass this special gift down to others? What did Jesus say to the disciples? Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature." And what did He say in regards to Paul? Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel." Same thing, all the world includes Gentiles, kings, AND the children of Israel. In short, everyone. Same instruction given to the disciples. They were all chosen vessels of His, period. God bless

You don't have to persuade me to see what I know to be true. When did I say women are not equals in Christ?

Patience would be my answer, and a whole lot of praying. God bless

That's ok my friend, I did not foresee this as being a contentious subject when I posted it. Actually I am somewhat surprised it became so, and if I had known that ahead of time I wouldn't have posted it at all. It's important to realize I have no political allegiance, the only allegiance I have is to God. This wasn't a thread about Republican or Democrat to me, it was about a move against diversity as I see it. Regardless of whether one is a Democrat or a Republican or like myself, an independent, the fact is that America is politically split 50-50 as evidenced by all recent elections. This fact is not reflected in television programming, and in my view that is very hypocritical from any of the networks who claim to be diverse. Which is why I am bothered by this, where are the programs that reflect my viewpoint? Love ya sister, God bless

I know, and that is the answer, verses 16-20. In regards to those specific verses, what He was alluding to in my opinion is that if one were to say to their parents "I am a gift from God to you." that is not honoring them as much as it is exalting oneself. God bless

Hair, yes, outside of those who have lost theirs beyond any control of their own, and then they typically wear wigs.

You think so? Or perhaps it is simply a reflection of how frustrating it is when confronted with double talk. Where do I see double talk?..... well, right here in the same post that led to my response. So which is it? You understand my point or you do not? You are completely capable of answering the question I asked, but are unwilling to do so. Why? Is it pride? Could it be because the point you want me to grasp crumbles under the weight of an admission that scripture is the inerrant Word of God? Your entire argument hinges on your belief that the gospel of Matthew was not inspired, because this admission confirms my point that God Himself wrote it, not Matthew. This is why I wanted to address this before we continued. You have basically answered your own question in regards to why it will be the same as it was in the days of Noah, people eating and drinking and giving themselves in marriage. If people who are part of the Body of Christ are now questioning the divine inspiration of scripture, and trying to diminish the writers of it and chip away at biblical truths to support a theory, of course they will not recognize the time when it arrives. They will just be going about their business as usual, most likely convinced that the plagues coming down on them are from some alien enemy that has not yet revealed itself. Whatever the deception of that day will be, I believe Paul refers to it as "a strong delusion." How can we have an honest discussion about the topic if you cannot give me an honest answer to a simple question? God bless

Hello brother, Just curious if you happened to notice what the last verse of that passage says? 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God. Still convinced that is just for one church despite the plural use of the word? God bless

No, read the entire passage in context, it all goes together. Matthew 15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ” 10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.” 12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?” 13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.” 15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.” 16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

That defilement comes from the heart, from the inside of a person.

Yes, and that show was considered to be very controversial at that time as it was the first show to start delving into a mixture of politics and entertainment. Again, you quote me but don't actually digest the words I typed. Take a look at the end of what you quoted..... "at least not to the level it has today." Want another example "Three's Company"