larryt

I see you think this is fun, but this is a serious question. How is throwing a pie in the face edifying to the body of Christ. I don't see childishness as edifying. I do see LT

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Oh, I understand plenty. 1 Corinthians 14:28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God. 1 Corinthians 14:19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue. This is what the Word says. LT

And what is coming upon the earth? The worst time the earth has ever seen. Where the arm of flesh will fail you. We need to practice walking in the spirit. LT

It was innocent in that it was not meant to be derogatory. Before this point there was a civil discussion. From this point on there has been very little serious discussion. I am willing to have a serious discussion. As I said the pie was not the issue. This is not debate. it is ridicule, and unbecoming of a believer.

-WeLLLLLLLLL, That is most interesting sonny--YOU must live in a fantasy land--ahhhhhhh--the All-wise--the all knowing-The all wonderfully intellectually-endowed with such amazing insight to those they have never met--never talked to-& YET- are imminently{SELF??} qualified to make such astounding judgements & such Absurd Statements with no prior information than that which supposedly lies between their ohhh-so very young{& still wet-behind} & Un-Informed-little bitty ears-What a kiojerk-illogicalsistical---& an Unknowledgeable little one at that-sooooo-for your further edification & instruction--please receive THIS--& just ta show ya my heart is in the right place & I wouldn't want you to feel--un-wanted--un-loved-un-needed &/or Rejected or any sech like other adjectives or verbiage-please accept "THIS"-in the spirit it was sent--ahhhh--twerpy land has no doubt produced yet another of it's children- Are you one of those who have trouble deciding who you are? Split personalities. Here is where it started. I asked a simple question and the question was innocent. I don't know him. Up to this point the debate was civil. from here on out it resulted in name calling and clicks. as I said I am willing to reconcile with Gary in a PM if he wants. Not with an imaginary personality. LT Everyone here's been pied at least once Larry. It's nothing personal! God bless, Bob I'm not talking about pies. I'm talking about ridicule, name calling, accusation of lying, and disrepect for the Word of God and differences of opinion. LT

Q: Should they have taken up arms to defend themselves? They were suffering persecution. That is a different issue as I have been trying to say many times. You are confusing persecution with legitimate crminal activity. Furthermore, I was only pointing out that despite your stories of supernatural intervention, God does not always do stuff like that, and that we cannot just assume that things will always turn out that way. Why doesn't God do "stuff" like that in your life? (Oh "he's super spiritual" now and can't understand us simple folk.)

-WeLLLLLLLLL, That is most interesting sonny--YOU must live in a fantasy land--ahhhhhhh--the All-wise--the all knowing-The all wonderfully intellectually-endowed with such amazing insight to those they have never met--never talked to-& YET- are imminently{SELF??} qualified to make such astounding judgements & such Absurd Statements with no prior information than that which supposedly lies between their ohhh-so very young{& still wet-behind} & Un-Informed-little bitty ears-What a kiojerk-illogicalsistical---& an Unknowledgeable little one at that-sooooo-for your further edification & instruction--please receive THIS--& just ta show ya my heart is in the right place & I wouldn't want you to feel--un-wanted--un-loved-un-needed &/or Rejected or any sech like other adjectives or verbiage-please accept "THIS"-in the spirit it was sent--ahhhh--twerpy land has no doubt produced yet another of it's children- Are you one of those who have trouble deciding who you are? Split personalities. Here is where it started. I asked a simple question and the question was innocent. I don't know him. Up to this point the debate was civil. from here on out it resulted in name calling and clicks. as I said I am willing to reconcile with Gary in a PM if he wants. Not with an imaginary personality. LT

Q: Should they have taken up arms to defend themselves?

I have offered you very civil debate and you do not respond to me. I have shown that that Scriptures you use have been taken out of context, in that you are applying them to an issue that they were not addressing. I have shown that you are confusing the issue by using Scriptures that refer patient sufferage of persecution as commentary against self-defense. You are the one who has lost the debate. You failed to make your case and instead started casting out demons called "Yosemite Sam." What is that about? Thank you for the civil debate. Please be patient and I will try to answer you questions. As to the Yosemiti Sam incident were you able to read all the PMs I wrote or are you basing your statement on what was revealed in this thread? If Gary cannot get out of his YS persona then he is demonized. and the demon needs to be cast out. If he can let him prove it and answer me in a PM in an understandable manor and we could resolve thing. I don't understand cartoonese. I try to do as best I can with english. Gary is hardly demonized. That is just how he talks on the boards. That is just him. You have not been here long enough to get used to how he interacts. You need to get past it. You are the one with the problem here, not Gary. He can be quick tempered at times, but He is never unreasonable if offered the proper courtesy. Frankly, If you PM'ed me and tried casting a "demon" out of me, I would think you were crazy. I am not calling you a fool. Just pointing out that you are making yourself look foolish by chasing this rabbit trail instead of responding to the legitimacy of self-defense and the defense of one's family. Did you not read all the PMs? And if Gary cannot extricate himself from the persona he is demonized. That is an if. I have not seen anything to the contrary. That is not just how he is. He got that way by taking on a cattoon personality. I originally tried to take care of this in the PM going directly to him and he would not respond as a civil person. I dropped the issue and tried not to respond to him in the thread until they brought up the PM in the thread. I am willing to reconcile with Gary. I don't reconcile with demons though. LT

Ahhhh... OK. I went back read more of the threads that were posted overnight a little closer. You guys have been busy!! Yeah, the "hyper-spiritual" types really do know how to make fools of themselves, don't they? So what do you mean by hyperspiritual. Is not that name calling and put downish? And you call me a fool. Are you in danger of judgement? LT

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I have offered you very civil debate and you do not respond to me. I have shown that that Scriptures you use have been taken out of context, in that you are applying them to an issue that they were not addressing. I have shown that you are confusing the issue by using Scriptures that refer patient sufferage of persecution as commentary against self-defense. You are the one who has lost the debate. You failed to make your case and instead started casting out demons called "Yosemite Sam." What is that about? Thank you for the civil debate. Please be patient and I will try to answer you questions. As to the Yosemiti Sam incident were you able to read all the PMs I wrote or are you basing your statement on what was revealed in this thread? If Gary cannot get out of his YS persona then he is demonized. and the demon needs to be cast out. If he can let him prove it and answer me in a PM in an understandable manor and we could resolve thing. I don't understand cartoonese. I try to do as best I can with english.

What lies? What conjecture? What innuendo? Again, because someone doesn't agree with you does not mean they are lying, or are doomed. You forgot name calling. I don't see this as "Fun in the Lord"

God's Word. A Christian cannot be demon possessed. There are no examples at all in the Bible of a demon being cast from a Christian that I can find. Gary is a Christian. That's a different thread if YOU want to bring it up you post it. LT

the issue here is self defense. If you don't want to enter in this debate here why do you ridicule my position. I stand on the scriptures what do you stand on?

that is another thread LT

Saying we will be vomited out like lukewarm water, is not debating, larryt. It's saying we disagree with you, so we are in trouble. Not for disagreeing with me. I am no one. Jesus is all. I entered the debate to debate the issue. I don't name call., and have never disrespected anyone eelses position. I will continue to back my position with scripture and if you can do the same then we can debate. to resort to personal attacks is the work of the devil. LT

Those that loose debates resort to lies, conjecture, innuendo, name calling, etc. If you cannot debate why do you bother? I believe thing you do not and the same from your point of view. I have tried to be civil, but I am not a pacifist as some of you believe. You do not want to debate on the merits. For your position is on sand and when the winds come the house built on sand will fall. You do the same they did to Noah before the flood, to Jeremiah before the babylonians came, and before Jesus comes some of you may well be vomited out of His mouth as lukewam water. I had a difference with some people here and tried to go to them. I will not persue any further the differences.

I fail to see how this is related to a criminal threatening your family for the sake of his desire to steal your stuff. In this case, your friend was not reduced to using lethal force, and that is the way I wish all confrontations would end. There are times, though, where it doesn't end there. t. This thread is about resisting evil. I chose to do it in the spirit and put no confidence in the flesh. LT That is your right...I hope your family feels similarly... My family does.

I fail to see how this is related to a criminal threatening your family for the sake of his desire to steal your stuff. In this case, your friend was not reduced to using lethal force, and that is the way I wish all confrontations would end. There are times, though, where it doesn't end there. t. This thread is about resisting evil. I chose to do it in the spirit and put no confidence in the flesh. LT

You are all asuming something of me that I have never refered to nor mentioned. You all have asumed that I would stand by and do nothing if some great evil was happening in front of me. I assure you that the power of God is more real to me than my own flesh. All I hear from you all is the last resort is to off the other person. Another true story. 3 years ago in Maylasia the muslim extremeists were seeking out christians and killing the men and raping the women. They came to a brother in the Lord that I know personally and were in the midst of storming his compound. This brother walked out and told the crowd they had no business with him and his congregation and they must disperse in Jesus' name. They left him and all that were in his compound alone. They were the only christians in that area not abused. If you doubt what I say is true you are calling me a liar. If you doubt what God says in His Word, yu call Him a liar. LT

Here are three LT

What are you stupid? That will just make them laugh when they kill you rather then just killing you! You are being RELIGIOUSLY stupid! That will not work. God gave you a resposability, that is to watch over your familys life. NO I KNOW THE POWER OF GOD With all do respect, you wrong. Iv heard of people who said exactly what you would do if you ever where in a situation like that. Honestly, it didn't work. Iv heard many times over and over and over where a Christian in Center City say "I belong to Jesus Christ and the evil one cannot touch me" and that did nothing, you are wrong and you need to realize that before you end up dying. and Just to let you know, Most murders think Christianity is a scam, and if you where to say "I belong to Jesus Christ and the evil one cannot touch me" They would say wares your God now? The they would kill you anyway. You are living in a world where you think words are more powerful then a murderers actions. Do not be fooled as you are now, because there will be a time where you might have to use self defence by taking his or her life. And Before you take someones life you must think is there a way out with out me and my family dying, and if the answer is no, then you have to take his life before he takes 5 peoples lives. Always look for a way not to kill but if you need to and its you and your family or him, you must chose him to die. Again you resort to name calling. You have no idea what you are talking about in reguard to my experience. I have already experienced it and my God, the Lord Jesus did not leave me nor forsake me. He has already protected me in perils. Notice waters - drowning, robbers - just what I said "true story", countrymen - remember what the jews tried to do to Paul, heathen - barbarians some, etc. Your faith is empty if it cannot sustain you in the real world. I believe the Word of God, you by the words of your own mouth do not believe. When the tough circumstances come to you are you going to trust in the flesh to save you or the Spirit. What does "no" mean! Answer: absolute negative LT

What are you stupid? That will just make them laugh when they kill you rather then just killing you! You are being RELIGIOUSLY stupid! That will not work. God gave you a resposability, that is to watch over your familys life. NO I KNOW THE POWER OF GOD