EricH Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is one place that "might" be America, imo... Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. This seems to be an individual, not a country. But I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 Saints, Lets be cautious about being overly dogmatic about this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 428 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 Posted with caution . . . 1. I couldn't care less if you want to revise the names of the Apostles. His name was, and still is, Yochanan. I'm only interested in what is true and it doesn't matter if someone is distracted by the truth. Brother Yod, I have never revised anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 428 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is one place that "might" be America, imo... Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. This seems to be an individual, not a country. But I could be wrong I wholeheartedly agree Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is one place that "might" be America, imo... Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. This is a personification of a religious entity, not a nation. Nero in the same passage is the personification of Rome. Also, the term earth can also be translated 'land' as in land of Israel. Rev 13 is speaking of Nero and the unbelieving religious authorities. The horns on the lamb signify authority. 1st beast = nation 2nd beast = leader of nation Actually John goes back and forth throughout Revelation using the beast as a nation and also as its leadership. John is following up from Daniel with the beast analogy. Rome is Daniel's fourth (and final) nation-empire beast. Nero is the leader alive at the time of the writing, so for John to say "Nero blah blah" would have been to get his head lopped off. So the Holy Spirit had him write in Greek to HEBREW-oriented people who were familiar with Daniel and the symbols that prophet used in his book. Roman censors who would have read the letter (if any) would have passed right over the references and had no idea what John was writing about. The second beast is religious in nature. It appears one way (a lamb/righteous) but speaks another (dragon/evil). It has the authority to call fire down from heaven 'in the sight of men'. In other words, IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE the authority in the sight of God. The sacrifices were already made ineffective by the death burial and resurrection of Jesus, so the authority of the religious leadership was non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Someone asked: 1). Why isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celt Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 258 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/04/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 2 Pet 2:12 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; (KJV) The "beast" symbol is also applied to men per God's Word, and that's why Rev.13:11 is talking about a man. But the 'beast' kingdom idea is from the Book of Daniel, as per the example in Rev.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 428 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2009 Someone asked: 1). Why isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Believer Posted February 24, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted February 24, 2009 2 Pet 2:12 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; (KJV) The "beast" symbol is also applied to men per God's Word, and that's why Rev.13:11 is talking about a man. But the 'beast' kingdom idea is from the Book of Daniel, as per the example in Rev.13. Well said Celt. Here are some Biblical personifications of nations by their leaders: Egypt: Pharoah Babylon: Nebuchadnezzar Media-Persia: Cyrus the Mede Greece: Alexander the Great Rome: Nero Israel: Moses, David, Solomon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted February 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,072 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 428 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2009 1). Why isn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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