Matthitjah Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2009 Grace to you, I'm looking around a little and researching and thus far you don't bow to anyone in Islam unless it is Allah. In the East, like Arabia, the kind of bow practiced by the President is one of apology for a deep offense. It is one of submission. I'm wondering if this isn't just a grievous mistake like the DVD's or someing but considering the bare bones apology he publically made to Europe and the begging that Mrs. Clinton has been around the world doing, I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong on that point. Honestly, I would not be surprised if President Obama has missed the significance of this event because he sincerely thinks, like with Nuclear Disarmament, that if we lead they will follow suit. However, like with Nuclear Disarmament, I pray that he hasn't drastically underestimated or mistaken the other side. It just may well be a unilateral miscalculation, of a world shaking blunder, born of ignorance, or complete incompetance. I think John McCain termed his foreign policy, "Naive." Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanasimmons Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1967 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Grace to you, I'm looking around a little and researching and thus far you don't bow to anyone in Islam unless it is Allah. In the East, like Arabia, the kind of bow practiced by the President is one of apology for a deep offense. It is one of submission. I'm wondering if this isn't just a grievous mistake like the DVD's or someing but considering the bare bones apology he publically made to Europe and the begging that Mrs. Clinton has been around the world doing, I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong on that point. Honestly, I would not be surprised if President Obama has missed the significance of this event because he sincerely thinks, like with Nuclear Disarmament, that if we lead they will follow suit. However, like with Nuclear Disarmament, I pray that he hasn't drastically underestimated or mistaken the other side. It just may well be a unilateral miscalculation, of a world shaking blunder, born of ignorance, or complete incompetance. I think John McCain termed his foreign policy, "Naive." Peace, Dave Obama would know all too well what a bow to the waist of the Muslim Saudi king means...he went to a Muslim school and has publicly recited the muslim morning prayer in perfect aramaic....He's been about the bussiness of apoligizing for America the great satan, to every forgien leader he encounters, to his own shame.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Who was it that paid for Obama's college education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2009 Grace to you, This is actually quite interesting because I am studying this right now. In a High Context culture in the East like Saudi Arabia it is considered quite normal for men to hold hands and stroll. There is nothing culturally wrong with it and Low Context cultures in the West like America would do quite well to learn this and practice it in Business or Political communications. In that respect Bush was paying respect culturally to the King. However bowing in that particular High Context culture means nothing simply more than submission. It was either a painful Politically ignorant mistake or deliberate. It's not like bowing in a High Context culture like those found in the Orient. That bow is not a complete bow like the one made in Saudi Arabia as Obama practiced it. It would be perfectly normal for the President to bow at the waist in a show of respect to an Oriental leader. Peace, Dave I realize it's a cultural thing...two men holding hands. I've known that for a long time. I just can't reconcile the image of GWB, the Texan, with the image in the Rose Garden. I guess I just can't understand it but....maybe I'm culturally challenged. But my contention that the Bush family has ties to the House of Saud dating back to the 1930s is fact. I haven't seen the President bowing but I'm sure it will be on t.v. My guess would be that whoever is advising the Obamas on protocol needs to go. Unless we are to believe that the President is a secret muslim and is controlled by the Saudis. One look at Mrs. Obama will tell you that is NOT the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2009 Who was it that paid for Obama's college education? The U.S. government...in the form of student loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 These are some strong accusations, yod....especially since you have absolutely no proof or any way of knowing if what you say is true. I can't prove where the money came only because it was hidden from everyone. Red flag! But I see who Obama bows to now..... Where was your outrage when we had a President whose family connections to the House of Saud went back 70 years? Having "connections" isn't a bad thing, is it? If those connections are helping the free flow of oil then what's the problem? Can you show me where Bush bowed to anyone??? I don't think you realize the seriousness of that symbolism? Btw...I've been suspiciously watching every President since Bush's dad when it comes to Israel. Again, Bush always threw in that "peace and security" qualifier when discussing Israel's nation status but it wouldn't surprise me if Obama is culminating a James Baker plan hatched in the early 90s. Where were the questions about who contributed to Mr. Bush's campaign? It was public knowledge so there was no need for it You never voiced any here, to my knowledge. Your bias is doing a number on you, brother. I was screaming the loudest over the Gaza pullout. Still am in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2009 Grace to you, I'm looking around a little and researching and thus far you don't bow to anyone in Islam unless it is Allah. In the East, like Arabia, the kind of bow practiced by the President is one of apology for a deep offense. It is one of submission. I'm wondering if this isn't just a grievous mistake like the DVD's or someing but considering the bare bones apology he publically made to Europe and the begging that Mrs. Clinton has been around the world doing, I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong on that point. Honestly, I would not be surprised if President Obama has missed the significance of this event because he sincerely thinks, like with Nuclear Disarmament, that if we lead they will follow suit. However, like with Nuclear Disarmament, I pray that he hasn't drastically underestimated or mistaken the other side. It just may well be a unilateral miscalculation, of a world shaking blunder, born of ignorance, or complete incompetance. I think John McCain termed his foreign policy, "Naive." Peace, Dave Nothing like showing respect for the 'office' as was so often talked about over the past eight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 6, 2009 I can't prove where the money came only because it was hidden from everyone. Red flag! Well, if you can't prove it....how do you know it ever happened? But I see who Obama bows to now..... Yep....clear as mud. Having "connections" isn't a bad thing, is it? If those connections are helping the free flow of oil then what's the problem? The problem comes when the Saudis have an inordinate influence on this country because of oil. And an administration that intends to see that oil remains the only viable energy source. Of course, GWBs administaton was not the only one. This goes back to Johnson. Can you show me where Bush bowed to anyone??? I don't think you realize the seriousness of that symbolism? No, I can't. And I think you're getting all sideways about a bow. Where were the questions about who contributed to Mr. Bush's campaign? It was public knowledge so there was no need for it Oh....puh-leeze! If you think any politician is upfront and forthcoming about contributions...you are so naive. and your bias is to assume quite a lot on my part Yod, your bias drips from the type in your posts. There is NO assumption involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 I can show a picture of Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia. I can prove that at least HALF of the money he got in the campaign was totally unaccountable unlike any President or politician in American history. I can point to at least a dozen outright lies of campaign promises broken in the first 2 months of an already failed Presidency. I can point to a 100% socialistic economic policy in Obama's short history. I can show proof where his goons intimidated free speech rights in Missouri. I can go on and on and on and on proving corruption and other shenanigans with only a 4 month history to observe. You can make snide innuendo about Bush. Go ahead! I'm not his defense lawyer but your case is weak. But how does that make Obama bowing to the Wahhabist King any less offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Nothing like showing respect for the 'office' as was so often talked about over the past eight years. That's laughable when you're trying to justify bowing to Saudi Arabia. Obama has shown more disrespect for the Office than anyone on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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